Peanut Butter, the atheists nightmare!
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Makes "Bananas, proof of God's plan" and "Nature had it first" look like episodes of Cosmos.
I don't intent this as a slap at I.D. folk, because it is so thoroughly confused on pretty much everything that I don't think anybody would want to defend it.
I am sort of mystified by how completely off the rails the people who made this must be and how they managed to not know anything, whatsoever, about biology, primordial conditions, what evolution even claims to be about, or modern product packaging and still felt motivated to make a video about those very topics.
If it wasn't for real it would be one of the great parodies of our age. Unless it is. Is it?
Edit: you have to love the terribly adult sounding lady at the beginning who appears to be hanging out in a courtroom, which probably means she's a lawyer or smart or something.
Makes "Bananas, proof of God's plan" and "Nature had it first" look like episodes of Cosmos.
I don't intent this as a slap at I.D. folk, because it is so thoroughly confused on pretty much everything that I don't think anybody would want to defend it.
I am sort of mystified by how completely off the rails the people who made this must be and how they managed to not know anything, whatsoever, about biology, primordial conditions, what evolution even claims to be about, or modern product packaging and still felt motivated to make a video about those very topics.
If it wasn't for real it would be one of the great parodies of our age. Unless it is. Is it?
Edit: you have to love the terribly adult sounding lady at the beginning who appears to be hanging out in a courtroom, which probably means she's a lawyer or smart or something.
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At least they're just making videos, and not selling sudanese into slavery or making bombs.
I believe that would be "setting the bar extremely low."
The point about the peanut butter is about randomness -- that we don't live out lives in terms of it as a concept.
You wouldn't think it very possible to find a nice 1999 Chateauneuf du Pape in place of your Listerine; in fact, you might say that is an impossibility. You wouldn't even expect that in a bottle of American Syrah.
(You would however assume some sort of intelligent agent was behind that replacement.)
Sweet spaghetti monster, you're not actually going to bat for this thing, are you?
Well, they mean well.
It's a good point -- but it's pretty much obliterated in the delivery.
Well, they mean well.
It's a good point -- but it's pretty much obliterated in the delivery.
It's not clear to me how one can have "a good point" that is "obliterated in the delivery". I would have thought that a good point, by definition, is well made.
I think what you're saying is that you agree with whatever the makers of the video think they're getting at, so far as that may be discerned, but that's a different thing.
It's not clear to me how one can have "a good point" that is "obliterated in the delivery". I would have thought that a good point, by definition, is well made.
I think what you're saying is that you agree with whatever the makers of the video think they're getting at, so far as that may be discerned, but that's a different thing.
Yes, they're trying to 'prove' something they shouldn't. It's a dogmatic position on either side.
They'd be better off saying "It's inconsistent to..."
Yes, they're trying to 'prove' something they shouldn't. It's a dogmatic position on either side.
They'd be better off saying "It's inconsistent to..."
Except what the video says doesn't make the case for the inconsistency of anything. There is nothing, obviously not in the evolutionary theory literature, which doesn't even address what is being contested, but in any scientific theory at all that would imply that life might spontaneously arise in a jar of peanut butter.
OK, now that I've been obliged to write that sentence I need to go lie down.
. . . life might spontaneously arise in a jar of peanut butter.
It does! I know for a fact that life spontaneously arise in a jar of jam, when it has been sitting in the refrigerator too long. So, I guess it's possible in peanut butter too.
Except what the video says doesn't make the case for the inconsistency of anything. There is nothing, obviously not in the evolutionary theory literature, which doesn't even address what is being contested, but in any scientific theory at all that would imply that life might spontaneously arise in a jar of peanut butter.
Well, in theory, the door is technically open to that possibility. It's still a bit of a strawman though.
It does! I know for a fact that life spontaneously arise in a jar of jam, when it has been sitting in the refrigerator too long. So, I guess it's possible in peanut butter too.
I have to admit, I've seen a few jars of this or that that looked like aliens had seeded them with something.
Great George Carlin routine, btw.
Well, in theory, the door is technically open to that possibility. It's still a bit of a strawman though.
If by "in theory" you mean "anything can happen, maybe, if you wait long enough on account of who knows what wonders this world holds?" then yes, sure.
If by "in theory" you mean "explicitly or implicitly suggested by any extent theory of science", then no, absolutely not.
I've got an idea. Let's collect these peanut butter and the banana videos and the chick comics and put them on a road show. It would be the best thing to happen to science.
At least they're just making videos, and not selling sudanese into slavery or making bombs.
Low, yes, but there are religious fanatics who are in fact doing these things. If all this group is doing is peacefully exercising a right to free speech, I'm not too worried, no matter how ridiculous the message.
Yeah addabox, "it's bit of a strawman."
I've got an idea. Let's collect these peanut butter and the banana videos and the chick comics and put them on a road show. It would be the best thing to happen to science.
Oooh, I think you're on to something there. Maybe make it a musical?
And at intermission we could hand out Global Warming Skeptic Bingo cards!
You wouldn't think it very possible to find a nice 1999 Chateauneuf du Pape in place of your Listerine; in fact, you might say that is an impossibility.
You could say it’s an “impossibility”, but you’d be wrong.
Let me quote my boy Dawkins on this one in saying that the initial origin of life is allowed to be mind-bendingly improbable simply because it only strictly had to happen once in the vast expanse and time of the universe. After that natural selection takes over and it is (relatively) smooth sailing from there.
dmz:
You could say it’s an “impossibility”, but you’d be wrong.
Let me quote my boy Dawkins on this one in saying that the initial origin of life is allowed to be mind-bendingly improbable simply because it only strictly had to happen once in the vast expanse and time of the universe. After that natural selection takes over and it is (relatively) smooth sailing from there.
Well, the devil is in the details there.
addabox & groverat: This is a flash animation (from Harvard) of lymphocytes responding to inflammation.
Better than peanut butter.
The more I see things like this, the more it seems evolutionists need to ante up, by giving concrete step-by-step examples of how to build something like this through transcription errors, etc.
And this is only one, tiny, mechanism in a huge system.
I have to admit, I've seen a few jars of this or that that looked like aliens had seeded them with something.
Nothing wrong with a little panspermia to get things started.
Well, the devil is in the details there.
addabox & groverat: This is a flash animation (from Harvard) of lymphocytes responding to inflammation.
Better than peanut butter.
The more I see things like this, the more it seems evolutionists need to ante up, by giving concrete step-by-step examples of how to build something like this through transcription errors, etc.
And this is only one, tiny, mechanism in a huge system.
The thing is that a step by step mechanism for it's development is supported by the fact that most, if not all, of the constituents of the inflammation pathway, let alone the entire remainder of the human body, have nearly exact duplicates in monocellular yeast.
Well, the devil is in the details there.
addabox & groverat: This is a flash animation (from Harvard) of lymphocytes responding to inflammation.
Better than peanut butter.
The more I see things like this, the more it seems evolutionists need to ante up, by giving concrete step-by-step examples of how to build something like this through transcription errors, etc.
And this is only one, tiny, mechanism in a huge system.
Awesome video, thanks for the link.
And yes, the mechanisms of life are beautifully complex and varied. Good thing they've had billions of years to evolve, and that many of the structures that served for less elaborate organisms (or indeed, the organisms themselves) could be folded into the gradually complexifying systems that arose.
However, all of this has precisely zip to do with insane claims about abiogenesis and peanut butter, the mesmerizing weirdness of which being why I posted the video.