In short: Mac OS X security, new Zune assault, Belgian iTunes probe

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  • Reply 21 of 52
    deapeajaydeapeajay Posts: 909member
    I don't care how much money MS puts into ZUne, I'll never buy one because I don't trust MS at all! Apple is way ahead of the game in the trust that their customers have in them.
  • Reply 22 of 52
    deapeajaydeapeajay Posts: 909member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    Court rooms use the syaing "The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth" for a reason. While this report is technically stating the truth about the average length of time between security fixes it fails to state the whole truth. Microsoft has nearly constant holes of a critical nature to plug up so it needs to fixes these at a much faster rate. Apple's bugs are of much less importance. Even many of the Month of Apple Bugs were nothing more than the possibility of making an app crash. With many being 3rd-party programs. Big F-ing deal.





    Tell me about it, my company had the external internet completely blocked off yesterday because they found a flaw in windows that they wanted to protect against. They were working with MS to develop a patch and we have it back today, but from what I hear, some sites are *still* blocked. At least they let me back to AI =)
  • Reply 23 of 52
    palex9palex9 Posts: 105member
    first of all, the business model of companies like norton antivirus etc. depend on malware. no malware meas they are out of business. now, while they seem do be doing an acceptable job at intercepting destructive viruses, they seem to have totally failed with trojans and the like used to create and control the millions of compromised machines out there. most experts think that at least 25% of all machines running windows are zombies. this is actually of national security concern, and i am suprised that the government does not step in to root this problem out before the russian or chinese mafia (and/or the respective governments) can extort us when push comes to shove. our country is probably the most vulnerable to any serious disruption of the net. maybe congress is just plain stupid when i comes to these matters. remember how a couple years ago they came up with 'legislation' to control spam? thats when spam was maybe 30 to 40 percent of all email. well now we are closer to 80%. well done, boneheads.
  • Reply 24 of 52
    jpellinojpellino Posts: 606member
    Seriously, these two guys did little more than bait Mac users and dig up some obscure nonsense that was largely crashes and wildly speculative as far as pwnage goes. And then berate those who provide the fixes and falsify their attempts to test their exploits in the wild Read KF's posts from last summer, where he praises and thanks Apple for their prompt and efffective bug squashing. Something happened, and it wasn't just a statistic. Too bad we'll likely never get the truth.



    Using "average" - if they used a simple mean - to compare things like this is statistical nonsense. You can have ten 37 day lags and your mean is 37. Switch two of those to 180 days, and you're at 66 days.



    Windows, it turns out has a security flaw in the implementation of animated cursors. Yikes.
  • Reply 25 of 52
    deapeajaydeapeajay Posts: 909member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by palex9 View Post


    first of all, the business model of companies like norton antivirus etc. depend on malware. no malware meas they are out of business. now, while they seem do be doing an acceptable job at intercepting destructive viruses, they seem to have totally failed with trojans and the like used to create and control the millions of compromised machines out there. most experts think that at least 25% of all machines running windows are zombies. this is actually of national security concern, and i am suprised that the government does not step in to root this problem out before the russian or chinese mafia (and/or the respective governments) can extort us when push comes to shove. our country is probably the most vulnerable to any serious disruption of the net. maybe congress is just plain stupid when i comes to these matters. remember how a couple years ago they came up with 'legislation' to control spam? thats when spam was maybe 30 to 40 percent of all email. well now we are closer to 80%. well done, boneheads.





    If they failed so miserably at spam, what makes you think they'll be able to do anything about MS security problems? The only effective thing they could do would be to buy macs for everybody
  • Reply 26 of 52
    MacProMacPro Posts: 17,972member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nagromme View Post




    New colors for the same old product. (I will guess: Taupe, Camel, Ecru, Sandstone and Hazel.)




    Great suggestions, but those color names are far too complex for MS.



    How about ... Home Brown, Office Brown, Professional Brown and Sever Brown? Home Brown can be upgraded (as can all Browns) for a fee, paid online. Once paid you get a license to call it Office Brown or whatever you upgraded to. You will have to go online every few hours to link to MS Music Store so they can check you paid the fee or it will stop working.
  • Reply 27 of 52
    MacProMacPro Posts: 17,972member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iPeon View Post


    Why do these "experts" always get it backwards, MS gains more points here because it has more shit to fix? And how exactly do these security flaws compare with each other in the first place? We have proof of concept on the Mac side with no actual real exploits, on the other side we have actual damage taking place daily. Er...



    Too right!



    Maybe Steve should take a page out of his iTunes strategy, i.e. offering 'with and without' copy protection, only this time OS with and without major flaws. OS X 10 and OS X 13!



    Drum Roll: Now available for switchers who want regular bug fixes; a new special version of the Mac OS that needs them! Introducing 'Mac OS X 13.0'. Comes with enough bugs to eat your hard drive, corrupt your data and freeze every few hours. It has to be updated ten times a day to get the latest patches. No need to miss the excitement of living on the edge.
  • Reply 28 of 52
    palex9palex9 Posts: 105member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DeaPeaJay View Post


    If they failed so miserably at spam, what makes you think they'll be able to do anything about MS security problems? The only effective thing they could do would be to buy macs for everybody



    i would assume that if the government was serious about the zombie army threat they could come up with some kind of anti-bot to kill off the zombies..... in the end MS should have to pay in one form or the other for enabling this kind of nonsense through their crappy software.
  • Reply 29 of 52
    kraniakkraniak Posts: 6member
    The two sources in the security article are employed by McAfree and Symantic. They are paid to create demand for their products and everything they say with regards to the matter is 100% irrelavent. They are paid to sell their products. This posting is equvilant to an advertisement, not a news article.
  • Reply 30 of 52
    rolorolo Posts: 686member
    Quote:

    Apple's troubles were compounded on Monday when the European Commission officially accused Apple and the four major music labels of anti-competitive practices in the deals that form the backbone of today's iTunes Store.



    Apple's "troubles were compounded?" What nonsense! What's next, beleagured?



    No trouble to speak of with security and the EU gnawing at iTunes is a minor annoyance. As with DRM, the fragmentation of the iTunes stores was dictated by the labels. Go after them, not Apple.
  • Reply 31 of 52
    chris vchris v Posts: 460member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nagromme View Post


    2. New colors for the same old product. (I will guess: Taupe, Camel, Ecru, Sandstone and Hazel.)




    You forgot Avocado and Harvest Gold.
  • Reply 32 of 52
    cosmonutcosmonut Posts: 4,872member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    Apple has repeatedly taunted Microsoft with the self-proclaimed superiority of its security through its advertising, said McAfee researcher Craig Schmugar. (SNIP)



    "Recently, the Mac ads may be playing a role in making people go looking for flaws. They seem to be bragging a little more than they should," he said.



    Apple has never said that their security is perfect. They've only said that their security is better than Microsoft's, which is true.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    Microsoft has typically taken much less time to patch issues and rolls out fixes in an average of 21 days -- far outpacing Apple's ever-slowing pace, which now averages 66 days between fixes.



    Maybe for "regular" fixes, but Apple seems to beat Microsoft handily at releasing emergency fixes. Apple will release a fix seemingly seconds after a bug's been found while Microsoft tends to simply wait until their next scheduled update.
  • Reply 33 of 52
    bdj21yabdj21ya Posts: 297member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ajmas View Post


    Remember those cars mirrors with the text: "objects appear closer that then they are"; well in business the equivalent mirrors should be labelled: "object may appear further than they are".



    Actually the mirrors already say that, or close to that. It's "Objects in mirror are closer than they appear" in my experience. In cars (at least here in the U.S.) sideview mirrors make objects appear further away than they actually are.
  • Reply 34 of 52
    cnocbuicnocbui Posts: 3,613member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    Please! It's obviously cheaper and easier for Apple to maintain one centralized store intead one for every country. The EU apparently has too much time on their hands, yet nt enough to think things through. From this point forward I'm boycotting Europe!



    The EU has laws on competition and the single market. They think the differential in pricing breaches those laws - whats your problem?



    I am not defending them, mind you, just pointing out that upholding the law is their duty.



    You are going to boycott us? On behalf of all Europeans I would just like to say we are all absolutely terrified and are all going to start running around in circles in abject terror and panic.
  • Reply 35 of 52
    quinneyquinney Posts: 2,523member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by chris v View Post


    You forgot Avocado and Harvest Gold.



    mauvish puce, baby vomit green
  • Reply 36 of 52
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 30,688member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by chris v View Post


    You forgot Avocado and Harvest Gold.



    Oh, yes... Avocado Brown, Harvest Brown...
  • Reply 37 of 52
    nagrommenagromme Posts: 2,834member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ajmas View Post


    What ever you believe about Microsoft and the Zune, it would not be wise to ignore the presence. Most people laughed when Microsoft entered the game console market and now they are provding very serious competition, and are currently top in the next generation consoles.



    Yes, but Microsoft has also failed in a LOT of markets it has tried to enter. And they stupidly didn't leverage the XBox brand name for their music player



    In any case, Apple's competing in the BEST way--not trying to dodge competitors' moves, but simply innovating in user experience and features. Witness: the iPhone (a hint of future iPods I'm sure).
  • Reply 38 of 52
    vinney57vinney57 Posts: 1,162member
    The security article is a joke as everybody here realises.



    The Zune will dominate the non-iPod market by simple weight of MS $Marketing but the thing is so eye-wateringly uncool in design and execution that it doesn't pose any kind of threat at the moment. The thing about the XBox was the games. Zune can hold no similar 'killer-app' advantage and the EMI deal has just thrown MS's music business model down the crapper.



    Don't worry about the EU investigation. Apple are on the charge sheet because of a technicality. The EU are going after the regional restrictions of the music companies in a wider context and quite rightly so. As to having too much time on their hands? Its their job you nutter.
  • Reply 39 of 52
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nagromme View Post


    Yes, but Microsoft has also failed in a LOT of markets it has tried to enter. And they stupidly didn't leverage the XBox brand name for their music player



    In any case, Apple's competing in the BEST way--not trying to dodge competitors' moves, but simply innovating in user experience and features. Witness: the iPhone (a hint of future iPods I'm sure).



    Also I wouldn't call Xbox 360 a success just yet. PS3 has only been on the market a few months but it has totally negated an technical advantages of Xbox. Not to mention as PS3's price falls it will just become more appealing, especially to those in the growing HD TV market because of the Blu Ray player. I own both and the difference between Xbox and PS3 is very apparent on an HD TV. Give it a year or two and Xbox will look positively obsolete as the devs start getting better with the PS3 dev kits.
  • Reply 40 of 52
    mbaynhammbaynham Posts: 534member
    Flash! AAAAAHHHHHHHH.... Saviour of the universe.....
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