iChat Update

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in Mac Software edited January 2014
Does everyone here think that iChat is going to be updated at MWSF? because i like it alot but its just not as useful as AIM. And reading away message is nearly impossible
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  • Reply 1 of 40
    I certantly hope it does. I think it has a good chance. Its not a real big complex application like iMovie, so I would expect more frequent updates. Profile editing/viewing, and viewing away messages are much needed features.
  • Reply 2 of 40
    HOPE SO!



    Would love it to Support MSN? (Are they allowed to support it??????)
  • Reply 3 of 40
    emaneman Posts: 7,204member
    [quote]Originally posted by trevorM:

    <strong>HOPE SO!



    Would love it to Support MSN? (Are they allowed to support it??????)</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Probably not.
  • Reply 4 of 40
    I'd like them to add the TALK feature.. where you can voice chat with your friends online.... AIM (classic, vers 4.3) has it so i think iChat should accquire it as well......
  • Reply 5 of 40
    Remember, since the very earliest developer builds of iChat were available, the Fez.framework (which later became the InstantMessage.framework) has included the following two mysterious graphics:



    mb-camera.tiff





    mb-mic.tiff





    These graphics follow the same naming convention as the graphics for the bold, italics, participants, sendfile, and smileys buttons that are in chat windows. So, there has obviously been lots of speculation as to if and when Apple will integrate voice and/or video communication into iChat.



    Well, I decided I'd do some further investigation on my own about this. I found a few other yet-unused graphics in iChat and its frameworks, a menu with extra options for formatting the buddy list, these microphone support strings:

    Quote:

    <key>80040220</key>

    <string>The sound input/output hardware is in use.</string>



    <key>80040221</key>

    <string>Your computer does not have the necessary hardware for voice chat.</string>



    <key>80040222</key>

    <string>The microphone is in use by another application and is not available to iChat.</string>



    <key>80040223</key>

    <string>The sound output device is busy and not available to iChat.</string>



    <key>80040224</key>

    <string>The microphone is disconnected.</string>



    then there are signs of upcomming encryption support in iChat:
    Quote:

    /AppleInternal/Library/Encryption Enabler.bundle

    AIMService: ** ENCRYPTION ENABLED **

    font encdata="

    decryption failed

    AIMService: Failed to decrypt message from <%@>, because %@

    <HTML><FONT ENCDATA="%@">Encrypted message.</FONT></HTML>

    AIMService: Received *ENCRYPTED* IM from <%@>



    a list of possible services, note that ICQ is listed twice:
    Quote:

    ShortCaps

    Talk

    DirectPlay

    FileXfer

    IcqDirectConnect

    DirectIm

    BuddyIcon

    Games

    FileSharing

    IcqServerRelay

    ChatRobots

    SecureIm

    ShareBuddies

    Chat

    AppleIMClient

    AppleSecureIM



    there's also lots of jabber support:

    Quote:

    JabberFileServer

    _jabberConnectionServer

    @"JabberFileServer";



    Source/SubNet/JabberConnServer.m

    %@: Could not open JConnection to port %u

    %@: Could not open JConnection

    [SubNet] %@: JConnection is now %@

    [SubNet] %@: P2PJabber connection opened, sending %i pending message(s)...

    JabberConnectionDelegate

    JabberConnection

    GenericNode

    _jabberConnection

    jabberConnection:rosterReceived:

    jabberConnection resenceSubscriptionResult:

    jabberConnection resenceSubscriptionRequest:

    jabberConnection resenceStatusReceived:

    jabberConnection:messageError:

    jabberConnection:messageReceived:

    jabberConnection:stateChanged:

    @"JabberConnection";

    JabberNode: couldn't parse error code '%s', substituting 998

    JabberNode: missing error code in <error> tag, substituting 999

    JabberRootNode: ignoring unknown child <%s>

    http://etherx.jabber.org/streams*stream

    jabber:client*iq

    jabber:client*presence

    jabber:client*message

    JabberIQNode: Unknown type '%s'

    JabberPresenceNode: Unknown type '%s'

    jabber:client*priority

    jabber:client*show

    jabber:client*status

    JabberMessageNode: Unknown type '%s'

    groupchat

    jabber:client*body

    http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml*html

    jabber:client*subject

    jabber:client*thread

    jabber:x elay

    JabberMessageNode: Couldn't parse date '%@'

    JabberMessageNode

    JabberXtensibleNode

    JabberPresenceNode

    JabberNode

    JabberIQNode

    JabberStreamNode

    JabberRootNode

    NullNode

    Source/Jabber/JabberNodes.m

    Jabber

    JConnection: Error: %@, type=%i, code=%i

    JConnection: Sending opening <stream> tag

    jabber:client

    http://etherx.jabber.org/streams

    Source/Jabber/JabberConnection.m

    jabber:x:avatar

    jabber:iq:roster

    JConnection: Received & parsed opening <stream> tag

    jabber:iq:auth

    JConnection: Reached server </stream>

    JConnection: Couldn't find target for IQ of type %@ containing '%@' ID '%@'

    JabberFileServer: Stopping serving file %@

    JabberFileServer: All files have been stopped: turning off server

    JabberFileServer: No longer serving file %@

    JabberFileServer: All files have expired: turning off server

    [FileXfer] JabberFileServer: Sent directory listing:

    Source/Jabber/JabberFileServer.m

    Source/Jabber/HTTPResponder.m



    a list of minibar buttons including the above two images I posted:
    Quote:

    mb-participants

    mb-bold

    mb-italic

    mb-smileys

    mb-camera

    mb-mic

    mb-sendfile



    tooltips for those:
    Quote:

    Bold

    Italic

    Insert a smiley

    Turn the camera on or off

    Turn the microphone on or off

    Send a file



    more mic/cam support:
    Quote:

    _usingMic

    _usingCamera

    _cameraButton

    _micButton

    setBoth:

    setCamera:

    setMic:

    setBasic:

    setUsingMic:andCamera:

    setUsingCamera:

    usingCamera

    setUsingMic:

    usingMic



    and last but not least some mention of secure, SSL-based connections:
    Quote:

    connectWithoutLoginToHost:useSSL:

    connectToHost:useSSL:usernameassword:resource:

    connectToHostort:useSSL:usernameassword:resour ce:

    SslSocket %p created

    SslSocket %p deleted

    SslSocket %p: Sending alert, level=%d, type=%d

    SslSocket %p: Sending change cipher spec

    SslSocket %p: Sending handshake msg, type=%d, len=%d

    SslSocket %p: Received record with bad MAC

    SslSocket %p: Received alert, level=%d type=%d

    SslSocket %p: Received change cipher spec

    SslSocket %p: Received handshake msg, type=%d len=%d

    SslSocket %p: Received server hello, ver=%d.%d cs=%d co=%d

    SslSocket %p: Resuming session



    Any thoughts?



    It looks to me like Apple has a LOT of features planned for future versions of iChat.
  • Reply 6 of 40
    coo-el!!



    icq (for me) makes a huge difference. the video and audio will be superb as i tele-work from rome and phone bills are a down side.
  • Reply 7 of 40
    ast3r3xast3r3x Posts: 5,012member
    i hope iChat 2 comes out (its like apple forgot about iChat and never updated it so i expect a whole version hop)



    if it gainst the features needed, you can be assured i will be using it!...though i have grown acustomed to AIM and like that very much!
  • Reply 8 of 40
    buonrottobuonrotto Posts: 6,368member
    ICQ hooks are a no-brainer since AOL is integrating that network with AIM too. But don't expect other instant messaging protocols to go over well with AOL, which allows Apple to hook into AIM. (Not that Apple couldn't reverse engineer it like so many other apps, it's more a political issue.)



    Anyway, these iApps tend to get a minor update, then they sit for a year and get bumped up a full version. Seems that iMovie and iPhoto are probably most in need of updates -- iMovie because it's been a really long time and iPhoto because it lacks features. While an iChat update could come sooner, I suspect these other iApps are on the front burner.
  • Reply 9 of 40
    evoevo Posts: 198member
    I hope Apple uses some sort of plugin architecture for IM services in a future iChat. That way 3rd paries can create plugins for all the various services, like MSN, etc..
  • Reply 10 of 40
    aquaticaquatic Posts: 5,602member
    iChat is a joke. The interface is cute but Away Messages for example are impossible. This is my away message for when I'm asleep at college:



    [quote] " 'Sir,' said I, 'or Madam, truly your forgiveness I implore;

    But the fact is I was napping, and so gently you came rapping,

    And so faintly you came tapping, tapping at my chamber door,

    That I scarce was sure I heard you'- here I opened wide the door;-

    Darkness there, and nothing more." -"The Raven," Edgar Allen Poe, stanza 4 <hr></blockquote>



    It doesn't display past a sentence or two.



    Form over function Apple.
  • Reply 11 of 40
    [quote] iChat is a joke. The interface is cute but Away Messages for example are impossible. This is my away message for when I'm asleep at college:



    SNIP the Poe



    It doesn't display past a sentence or two.



    Form over function Apple.<hr></blockquote>

    Or you could be less pretentious on IM
  • Reply 12 of 40
    aquaticaquatic Posts: 5,602member
    I bet you added that to your away messages.
  • Reply 13 of 40
    giaguaragiaguara Posts: 2,724member
    Well those mic and camera thigns aren't new..



  • Reply 14 of 40
    [quote]Originally posted by ast3r3x:

    <strong>i hope iChat 2 comes out (its like apple forgot about iChat and never updated it so i expect a whole version hop)</strong><hr></blockquote>



    I read somewhere, sometime ago that shortly after iChat came out that "Apple was re-thinking their iChat product road map." Who knows what that means and how it will affect iChat 2.
  • Reply 15 of 40
    [quote]Originally posted by Aquatic:

    <strong>iChat is a joke. The interface is cute but Away Messages for example are impossible. This is my away message for when I'm asleep at college:



    It doesn't display past a sentence or two.



    Form over function Apple. </strong><hr></blockquote>



    Sentence of two ey? well thats about 200 characters or so, so amybe you should stop being so twatty and just put "I AM SLEEPING! WOWZAS" pretty sure thay would fit in adn your friends wont be rolling their eyes and calling you a twat like they currently are with your crappy quote, i mean christ at least quote something worth quoting. This stupidity is hardly form over function

    "OMGMOGOMGOMGOMGOMGMOG ICHAT WONT LET ME USE A NOVEL AS MY AWAY MESSAGE, THIS SI SO FORM OVER FUNCTION I WANT THIS 1MEG TEXT FILE TO SEND TO EVERYONE WHEN THEY MESSAGE ME OMGOGMMOGOMGOGOMGMOG IM SO GOING TO DELL . COM RTIGHT NOW"
  • Reply 16 of 40
    paulpaul Posts: 5,278member
    funny you say that... 1 meg messages are currently the limit in AIM... hehe i know from experience (I too have a thing for long away messages... and iChat just doesn't cut it... :-\\ )



    and btw a lot of people like reading long away messages, myself included...
  • Reply 17 of 40
    keshkesh Posts: 621member
    [quote]Originally posted by Paul:

    <strong>funny you say that... 1 meg messages are currently the limit in AIM... hehe i know from experience (I too have a thing for long away messages... and iChat just doesn't cut it... :-\\ )



    and btw a lot of people like reading long away messages, myself included...</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Well, it would help if the message actually meant something. Poe is good, but makes for a poor Away message. And while some may like long messages, many would hate to be spammed just because they sent you a message.



    My biggest complaint is that iChat apparently doesn't send my Away messages at all!
  • Reply 18 of 40
    emaneman Posts: 7,204member
    [quote]Originally posted by sushiism:

    <strong>



    Sentence of two ey? well thats about 200 characters or so, so amybe you should stop being so twatty and just put "I AM SLEEPING! WOWZAS" pretty sure thay would fit in adn your friends wont be rolling their eyes and calling you a twat like they currently are with your crappy quote, i mean christ at least quote something worth quoting. This stupidity is hardly form over function

    "OMGMOGOMGOMGOMGOMGMOG ICHAT WONT LET ME USE A NOVEL AS MY AWAY MESSAGE, THIS SI SO FORM OVER FUNCTION I WANT THIS 1MEG TEXT FILE TO SEND TO EVERYONE WHEN THEY MESSAGE ME OMGOGMMOGOMGOGOMGMOG IM SO GOING TO DELL . COM RTIGHT NOW"</strong><hr></blockquote>



    How's it stupid? If someone wants to do something like that it's fine. It's their choice. Just because you don't personally do it doesn't mean it's wrong. The point is, iChat sucks feature-wise in some ways compared to other AIM clients.
  • Reply 19 of 40
    I'd hardly say it sucks feature wise, I mean it does all the direct image stuff and all that, try being a pc user about a year ago whent hat UI nightmare trillian didnt even do that but no one was going "OGOGMGOMGO THIS TOTALY SUCKS IM LIKE GONIG TO aIM.COM RIGHT NOW" , yet your saying it sucks just because they didnt take moronic long away messages into consideration and you probably haven't even wrote to them to ask for it and instead just whined on here. Dearie me some people are pretty stupid these days.
  • Reply 20 of 40
    emaneman Posts: 7,204member
    Oh, I'm not saying that's why it sucks. That's not much of a problem. I've said plenty of times here at AI why I think iChat sucks so I'm not even going to bother saying the reasons again.
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