Does everyone here think that iChat is going to be updated at MWSF? because i like it alot but its just not as useful as AIM. And reading away message is nearly impossible
I certantly hope it does. I think it has a good chance. Its not a real big complex application like iMovie, so I would expect more frequent updates. Profile editing/viewing, and viewing away messages are much needed features.
I'd like them to add the TALK feature.. where you can voice chat with your friends online.... AIM (classic, vers 4.3) has it so i think iChat should accquire it as well......
Remember, since the very earliest developer builds of iChat were available, the Fez.framework (which later became the InstantMessage.framework) has included the following two mysterious graphics:
mb-camera.tiff
mb-mic.tiff
These graphics follow the same naming convention as the graphics for the bold, italics, participants, sendfile, and smileys buttons that are in chat windows. So, there has obviously been lots of speculation as to if and when Apple will integrate voice and/or video communication into iChat.
Well, I decided I'd do some further investigation on my own about this. I found a few other yet-unused graphics in iChat and its frameworks, a menu with extra options for formatting the buddy list, these microphone support strings:
Quote:
<key>80040220</key>
<string>The sound input/output hardware is in use.</string>
<key>80040221</key>
<string>Your computer does not have the necessary hardware for voice chat.</string>
<key>80040222</key>
<string>The microphone is in use by another application and is not available to iChat.</string>
<key>80040223</key>
<string>The sound output device is busy and not available to iChat.</string>
<key>80040224</key>
<string>The microphone is disconnected.</string>
then there are signs of upcomming encryption support in iChat:
Quote:
/AppleInternal/Library/Encryption Enabler.bundle
AIMService: ** ENCRYPTION ENABLED **
font encdata="
decryption failed
AIMService: Failed to decrypt message from <%@>, because %@
ICQ hooks are a no-brainer since AOL is integrating that network with AIM too. But don't expect other instant messaging protocols to go over well with AOL, which allows Apple to hook into AIM. (Not that Apple couldn't reverse engineer it like so many other apps, it's more a political issue.)
Anyway, these iApps tend to get a minor update, then they sit for a year and get bumped up a full version. Seems that iMovie and iPhoto are probably most in need of updates -- iMovie because it's been a really long time and iPhoto because it lacks features. While an iChat update could come sooner, I suspect these other iApps are on the front burner.
I hope Apple uses some sort of plugin architecture for IM services in a future iChat. That way 3rd paries can create plugins for all the various services, like MSN, etc..
<strong>i hope iChat 2 comes out (its like apple forgot about iChat and never updated it so i expect a whole version hop)</strong><hr></blockquote>
I read somewhere, sometime ago that shortly after iChat came out that "Apple was re-thinking their iChat product road map." Who knows what that means and how it will affect iChat 2.
<strong>iChat is a joke. The interface is cute but Away Messages for example are impossible. This is my away message for when I'm asleep at college:
It doesn't display past a sentence or two.
Form over function Apple. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Sentence of two ey? well thats about 200 characters or so, so amybe you should stop being so twatty and just put "I AM SLEEPING! WOWZAS" pretty sure thay would fit in adn your friends wont be rolling their eyes and calling you a twat like they currently are with your crappy quote, i mean christ at least quote something worth quoting. This stupidity is hardly form over function
"OMGMOGOMGOMGOMGOMGMOG ICHAT WONT LET ME USE A NOVEL AS MY AWAY MESSAGE, THIS SI SO FORM OVER FUNCTION I WANT THIS 1MEG TEXT FILE TO SEND TO EVERYONE WHEN THEY MESSAGE ME OMGOGMMOGOMGOGOMGMOG IM SO GOING TO DELL . COM RTIGHT NOW"
funny you say that... 1 meg messages are currently the limit in AIM... hehe i know from experience (I too have a thing for long away messages... and iChat just doesn't cut it... :-\\ )
and btw a lot of people like reading long away messages, myself included...
<strong>funny you say that... 1 meg messages are currently the limit in AIM... hehe i know from experience (I too have a thing for long away messages... and iChat just doesn't cut it... :-\\ )
and btw a lot of people like reading long away messages, myself included...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, it would help if the message actually meant something. Poe is good, but makes for a poor Away message. And while some may like long messages, many would hate to be spammed just because they sent you a message.
My biggest complaint is that iChat apparently doesn't send my Away messages at all!
Sentence of two ey? well thats about 200 characters or so, so amybe you should stop being so twatty and just put "I AM SLEEPING! WOWZAS" pretty sure thay would fit in adn your friends wont be rolling their eyes and calling you a twat like they currently are with your crappy quote, i mean christ at least quote something worth quoting. This stupidity is hardly form over function
"OMGMOGOMGOMGOMGOMGMOG ICHAT WONT LET ME USE A NOVEL AS MY AWAY MESSAGE, THIS SI SO FORM OVER FUNCTION I WANT THIS 1MEG TEXT FILE TO SEND TO EVERYONE WHEN THEY MESSAGE ME OMGOGMMOGOMGOGOMGMOG IM SO GOING TO DELL . COM RTIGHT NOW"</strong><hr></blockquote>
How's it stupid? If someone wants to do something like that it's fine. It's their choice. Just because you don't personally do it doesn't mean it's wrong. The point is, iChat sucks feature-wise in some ways compared to other AIM clients.
I'd hardly say it sucks feature wise, I mean it does all the direct image stuff and all that, try being a pc user about a year ago whent hat UI nightmare trillian didnt even do that but no one was going "OGOGMGOMGO THIS TOTALY SUCKS IM LIKE GONIG TO aIM.COM RIGHT NOW" , yet your saying it sucks just because they didnt take moronic long away messages into consideration and you probably haven't even wrote to them to ask for it and instead just whined on here. Dearie me some people are pretty stupid these days.
Oh, I'm not saying that's why it sucks. That's not much of a problem. I've said plenty of times here at AI why I think iChat sucks so I'm not even going to bother saying the reasons again.
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Would love it to Support MSN? (Are they allowed to support it??????)
<strong>HOPE SO!
Would love it to Support MSN? (Are they allowed to support it??????)</strong><hr></blockquote>
Probably not.
mb-camera.tiff
mb-mic.tiff
These graphics follow the same naming convention as the graphics for the bold, italics, participants, sendfile, and smileys buttons that are in chat windows. So, there has obviously been lots of speculation as to if and when Apple will integrate voice and/or video communication into iChat.
Well, I decided I'd do some further investigation on my own about this. I found a few other yet-unused graphics in iChat and its frameworks, a menu with extra options for formatting the buddy list, these microphone support strings:
<key>80040220</key>
<string>The sound input/output hardware is in use.</string>
<key>80040221</key>
<string>Your computer does not have the necessary hardware for voice chat.</string>
<key>80040222</key>
<string>The microphone is in use by another application and is not available to iChat.</string>
<key>80040223</key>
<string>The sound output device is busy and not available to iChat.</string>
<key>80040224</key>
<string>The microphone is disconnected.</string>
then there are signs of upcomming encryption support in iChat:
/AppleInternal/Library/Encryption Enabler.bundle
AIMService: ** ENCRYPTION ENABLED **
font encdata="
decryption failed
AIMService: Failed to decrypt message from <%@>, because %@
<HTML><FONT ENCDATA="%@">Encrypted message.</FONT></HTML>
AIMService: Received *ENCRYPTED* IM from <%@>
a list of possible services, note that ICQ is listed twice:
ShortCaps
Talk
DirectPlay
FileXfer
IcqDirectConnect
DirectIm
BuddyIcon
Games
FileSharing
IcqServerRelay
ChatRobots
SecureIm
ShareBuddies
Chat
AppleIMClient
AppleSecureIM
there's also lots of jabber support:
JabberFileServer
_jabberConnectionServer
@"JabberFileServer"
Source/SubNet/JabberConnServer.m
%@: Could not open JConnection to port %u
%@: Could not open JConnection
[SubNet] %@: JConnection is now %@
[SubNet] %@: P2PJabber connection opened, sending %i pending message(s)...
JabberConnectionDelegate
JabberConnection
GenericNode
_jabberConnection
jabberConnection:rosterReceived:
jabberConnection resenceSubscriptionResult:
jabberConnection resenceSubscriptionRequest:
jabberConnection resenceStatusReceived:
jabberConnection:messageError:
jabberConnection:messageReceived:
jabberConnection:stateChanged:
@"JabberConnection"
JabberNode: couldn't parse error code '%s', substituting 998
JabberNode: missing error code in <error> tag, substituting 999
JabberRootNode: ignoring unknown child <%s>
http://etherx.jabber.org/streams*stream
jabber:client*iq
jabber:client*presence
jabber:client*message
JabberIQNode: Unknown type '%s'
JabberPresenceNode: Unknown type '%s'
jabber:client*priority
jabber:client*show
jabber:client*status
JabberMessageNode: Unknown type '%s'
groupchat
jabber:client*body
http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml*html
jabber:client*subject
jabber:client*thread
jabber:x elay
JabberMessageNode: Couldn't parse date '%@'
JabberMessageNode
JabberXtensibleNode
JabberPresenceNode
JabberNode
JabberIQNode
JabberStreamNode
JabberRootNode
NullNode
Source/Jabber/JabberNodes.m
Jabber
JConnection: Error: %@, type=%i, code=%i
JConnection: Sending opening <stream> tag
jabber:client
http://etherx.jabber.org/streams
Source/Jabber/JabberConnection.m
jabber:x:avatar
jabber:iq:roster
JConnection: Received & parsed opening <stream> tag
jabber:iq:auth
JConnection: Reached server </stream>
JConnection: Couldn't find target for IQ of type %@ containing '%@' ID '%@'
JabberFileServer: Stopping serving file %@
JabberFileServer: All files have been stopped: turning off server
JabberFileServer: No longer serving file %@
JabberFileServer: All files have expired: turning off server
[FileXfer] JabberFileServer: Sent directory listing:
Source/Jabber/JabberFileServer.m
Source/Jabber/HTTPResponder.m
a list of minibar buttons including the above two images I posted:
mb-participants
mb-bold
mb-italic
mb-smileys
mb-camera
mb-mic
mb-sendfile
tooltips for those:
Bold
Italic
Insert a smiley
Turn the camera on or off
Turn the microphone on or off
Send a file
more mic/cam support:
_usingMic
_usingCamera
_cameraButton
_micButton
setBoth:
setCamera:
setMic:
setBasic:
setUsingMic:andCamera:
setUsingCamera:
usingCamera
setUsingMic:
usingMic
and last but not least some mention of secure, SSL-based connections:
connectWithoutLoginToHost:useSSL:
connectToHost:useSSL:usernameassword:resource:
connectToHostort:useSSL:usernameassword:resour ce:
SslSocket %p created
SslSocket %p deleted
SslSocket %p: Sending alert, level=%d, type=%d
SslSocket %p: Sending change cipher spec
SslSocket %p: Sending handshake msg, type=%d, len=%d
SslSocket %p: Received record with bad MAC
SslSocket %p: Received alert, level=%d type=%d
SslSocket %p: Received change cipher spec
SslSocket %p: Received handshake msg, type=%d len=%d
SslSocket %p: Received server hello, ver=%d.%d cs=%d co=%d
SslSocket %p: Resuming session
Any thoughts?
It looks to me like Apple has a LOT of features planned for future versions of iChat.
icq (for me) makes a huge difference. the video and audio will be superb as i tele-work from rome and phone bills are a down side.
if it gainst the features needed, you can be assured i will be using it!...though i have grown acustomed to AIM and like that very much!
Anyway, these iApps tend to get a minor update, then they sit for a year and get bumped up a full version. Seems that iMovie and iPhoto are probably most in need of updates -- iMovie because it's been a really long time and iPhoto because it lacks features. While an iChat update could come sooner, I suspect these other iApps are on the front burner.
[quote] " 'Sir,' said I, 'or Madam, truly your forgiveness I implore;
But the fact is I was napping, and so gently you came rapping,
And so faintly you came tapping, tapping at my chamber door,
That I scarce was sure I heard you'- here I opened wide the door;-
Darkness there, and nothing more." -"The Raven," Edgar Allen Poe, stanza 4 <hr></blockquote>
It doesn't display past a sentence or two.
Form over function Apple.
SNIP the Poe
It doesn't display past a sentence or two.
Form over function Apple.<hr></blockquote>
Or you could be less pretentious on IM
<strong>i hope iChat 2 comes out (its like apple forgot about iChat and never updated it so i expect a whole version hop)</strong><hr></blockquote>
I read somewhere, sometime ago that shortly after iChat came out that "Apple was re-thinking their iChat product road map." Who knows what that means and how it will affect iChat 2.
<strong>iChat is a joke. The interface is cute but Away Messages for example are impossible. This is my away message for when I'm asleep at college:
It doesn't display past a sentence or two.
Form over function Apple. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Sentence of two ey? well thats about 200 characters or so, so amybe you should stop being so twatty and just put "I AM SLEEPING! WOWZAS" pretty sure thay would fit in adn your friends wont be rolling their eyes and calling you a twat like they currently are with your crappy quote, i mean christ at least quote something worth quoting. This stupidity is hardly form over function
"OMGMOGOMGOMGOMGOMGMOG ICHAT WONT LET ME USE A NOVEL AS MY AWAY MESSAGE, THIS SI SO FORM OVER FUNCTION I WANT THIS 1MEG TEXT FILE TO SEND TO EVERYONE WHEN THEY MESSAGE ME OMGOGMMOGOMGOGOMGMOG IM SO GOING TO DELL . COM RTIGHT NOW"
and btw a lot of people like reading long away messages, myself included...
<strong>funny you say that... 1 meg messages are currently the limit in AIM... hehe i know from experience (I too have a thing for long away messages... and iChat just doesn't cut it... :-\\ )
and btw a lot of people like reading long away messages, myself included...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, it would help if the message actually meant something. Poe is good, but makes for a poor Away message. And while some may like long messages, many would hate to be spammed just because they sent you a message.
My biggest complaint is that iChat apparently doesn't send my Away messages at all!
<strong>
Sentence of two ey? well thats about 200 characters or so, so amybe you should stop being so twatty and just put "I AM SLEEPING! WOWZAS" pretty sure thay would fit in adn your friends wont be rolling their eyes and calling you a twat like they currently are with your crappy quote, i mean christ at least quote something worth quoting. This stupidity is hardly form over function
"OMGMOGOMGOMGOMGOMGMOG ICHAT WONT LET ME USE A NOVEL AS MY AWAY MESSAGE, THIS SI SO FORM OVER FUNCTION I WANT THIS 1MEG TEXT FILE TO SEND TO EVERYONE WHEN THEY MESSAGE ME OMGOGMMOGOMGOGOMGMOG IM SO GOING TO DELL . COM RTIGHT NOW"</strong><hr></blockquote>
How's it stupid? If someone wants to do something like that it's fine. It's their choice. Just because you don't personally do it doesn't mean it's wrong. The point is, iChat sucks feature-wise in some ways compared to other AIM clients.