Apple was probably doing Santa Rosa development exclusively on Leopard, as Leopard was supposed to come out before SR. Therefore they have to backport SR and any other new MBP updates to 10.4. That, coupled with other work they had in the pipeline, leads to a 10.4.10 before the SR MBPs are released. Further, the SR MBPs most certainly will contain updated video, or else all the reviews will laugh at them, and point out how Wintel laptops like Thinkpads or Latitudes are so much more advanced / faster / etc than MBPs, and also came out a month or two earlier (many Wintel machines just received significant video bumps). Apple will not want that kinda PR.
My next post will be after the MBP specs are revealed, and the 10.4.10 support of SR is revealed, and it will be a "I told you so."
Ah, but they've known for a long time about the Leopard delay (or they were just fooling themselves thinking it was going to magically make schedule as they kept pulling people out), and, as such, have had the time to implement said changes.
But I don't know what you mean "That, coupled with other work they had in the pipeline". Is that other stuff they were doing for 10.4, or some stuff they were doing for leopard they now want to put back into 10.4?
And, again, there is no need for a 10.4.10 to implement these changes. They can just make a 10.4.9 build with the required changes and be done with it (they do this all the time, I wouldn't be surprised if the new MacBooks had a later build number then the released 10.4.9). There's certainly no reason to push a new macbook release down the line because you're trying to add support with a bunch of other fixes and changes in a big update.
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AFurther, the SR MBPs most certainly will contain updated video, or else all the reviews will laugh at them, and point out how Wintel laptops like Thinkpads or Latitudes are so much more advanced / faster / etc than MBPs, and also came out a month or two earlier (many Wintel machines just received significant video bumps). Apple will not want that kinda PR.
Hey, it didn't stop them from updating the MacBooks with new processors and not changing the video or any of the other parts of the machine.
"Presumably final update" to Tiger? I'm going to step out on a limb and say there will be a 10.4.11. Why? Because Apple always releases a patch right before a 10.x update... That and there's still a good 4.5 months before October. There's bound to be some updates before then.
I'd be willing to put $50 on it... any takers?
-Clive
Tiger OS X 10.10.10 update delayed until DECEMBER due to Apple allocating massive programming resources to new widescreen Video iPod with Wi-Fi capability.
Thanks for offering to burn a DVD of 10.4.10! We have an Apple Store near where we live, and I'll ask one of the individuals there to burn a copy for me.
10.4.11 is impossible. The next update would have to be 10.4.10.1.
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"Presumably final update" to Tiger? I'm going to step out on a limb and say there will be a 10.4.11. Why? Because Apple always releases a patch right before a 10.x update... That and there's still a good 4.5 months before October. There's bound to be some updates before then.
* for the love of god, please eliminate the hanging 'cacscade' .. when one app is 'not responding', it seems to spill over & cause lots of other PID's to hang as well --- grrrrrrrrrrrr!
* make the console record ALL the hanging events! ... so that evidence can be submitted to apple!
* create a more structured represenation for the logs ... xml (use ajax - css & xhtml - so the the backend can be pumped into sqlite which ships with osx! ... postgress would be prefered (webobjects even better!) .... apple needs to start using CORE DATA in their own telemetry!!! ... if not, then make sure that there is userland equivelent to 'xray' in the leopard version of activity monitor!)
* figure out why all browsers (webkit & gecko & others) constantly & pervasively HANG HANG HANG!!!! this is an os/x problem!
* drivers!!!! //// more dvds (burn) /////// drivers for more cell phones (sync) //// more bluetooth dongles -- my mac cant recognize almost any peripheral i connect to it!!! ------- this incompatibility does tremendous damage to mac's plug'n'play franchise (it doesnt help that apple selected a new brittle, brain-dead driver infrastructure (IOKIT) for os/x (embeded C++) instead of sticking with the reliable driver model (DriverKit) inherited from nextstep (yes, some people say that one way apple innovates from plain-jane unix is with the freedom to create new driver model; sure, that is an advatntage of darwin over legacy unix; but there is no reason why that choice has to be so far away from where the 'the finish line' was supposed to be, ie OSF/2).
* stability! .... i have never before believed hat an apple upgrade was not worth it ... but unless apple can PROVE that it can ship an industrial-stregnth reliable version of tiger FIRST, I will have nisgivings about being dragged through yet more years of misery & pain just to have access to some better eye candy. I used to thinbk people who said that sort of thing were dolts; but now i realize that if my rationale for the mac - time is money - is going to mean anything, then it cant just be measured in isolation to windoze ... it has to be measured against a higher standard (which is completely mac way of thinking in the first place!).
The other night, for reasons I'm unaware of, I got a kernel panic. MY browser was open, but I wasn't accessing a page at the time.
Suddenly, the screen panic graphics sweeps downward, and the lovely message appeared.
Safari still quits or freezes at odd times.
I'll second the Safari issues. I woke my iMac from sleep this morning with a couple open Safari windows. I clicked on one and was greeted with the spinning beach ball. And it's a pretty normal occurence as are the crashes on certain web pages.
Personally, I'd love for them to show a little love to Front Row. It's still being touted as a major feature of Tiger, but with every new release of iTunes, Front Row gets further and further behind. It doesn't use the new Sort fields (iPods don't handle it well either though) and its handling of video is atrocious (doesn't sort TV shows correctly, duplicates videos in the Music section, can't watch video in the same folder when something is being downloaded from the iTunes Store). And adding Cover Flow mode somehow would be nice as well. Maybe some of these features are coming in Leopard (although the AppleTV makes me fearful it'll be pretty much abandoned to push people toward that path), but the more I try to use Front Row, the more it feels like something I should have downloaded off the internet as beta software, not as a key feature of a major OS.
Personally, I'd love for them to show a little love to Front Row. It's still being touted as a major feature of Tiger, but with every new release of iTunes, Front Row gets further and further behind. It doesn't use the new Sort fields (iPods don't handle it well either though) and its handling of video is atrocious (doesn't sort TV shows correctly, duplicates videos in the Music section, can't watch video in the same folder when something is being downloaded from the iTunes Store). And adding Cover Flow mode somehow would be nice as well. Maybe some of these features are coming in Leopard (although the AppleTV makes me fearful it'll be pretty much abandoned to push people toward that path), but the more I try to use Front Row, the more it feels like something I should have downloaded off the internet as beta software, not as a key feature of a major OS.
Well, unfortunately, I think Front Row has seen all the work its going to see. Obviously Front Row was what Apple was working on for the AppleTV. Just for what it is, it works. But it also just feels like another one of Apple's neglected children. They do this ALL the time. Come out with some new feature. Tout it up a storm like its the greatest thing since sliced bread. Then never put any more effort into it or update it at all. We saw it with Sherlock. Hell, we see it with the Finder (they seem more interested in putting make up on it to pretty it up, rather then spend quality time with it to make it a better program). We've seen it with Appleworks (a great program shelved for absolutely no reason).
have you tried repairing permissions? A few weeks ago, Safarri started randomly crashing on me a lot, and the problem was a screwy permission. It's been fine ever since.
I REALLY DO HOPE THAT THEY'LL FIX-UP "SAFARI" BECAUSE IT CRASHES 99.99% OF THE TIME ON ME. AND GET RID MAC OS 9 TOO.
I agree that Safari has leaks, but it doesn't crash 99.99% of the time. Apple would be chewed out for making a web browser that was "that" bad.
And as far as I know, they "did" get rid of OS 9. No Intel based Mac supports OS 9. And you don't "have" to use classic mode on the Power PC models. I have a 4 year old Powerbook sitting next to me here that's never had the Classic environment booted.
Guys, I'd Thought That "apple Inc." Wouldn't Do Safari (3.0) For "tiger". I Guess They Have. Does Anyone Know If That "apple Inc." Dropped Mac Os-9 In The Mac Os X (10.4.10) Update?
Doubt it. OS9 should stay. I'd be in a bad spot if they dropped it. My CAD app runs in 9.
Guys, I'd Thought That "apple Inc." Wouldn't Do Safari (3.0) For "tiger". I Guess They Have. Does Anyone Know If That "apple Inc." Dropped Mac Os-9 In The Mac Os X (10.4.10) Update?
Steven, Apple hasn't updated "Classic" in years. Classic is included in the original install of 10.4. It doesn't need an update.
Apple's updates are not going to delete Classic from your machine. As that won't happen, as long as you continue to use any version of 10.4, Classic will continue to work.
I don't know if it is included in 10.5. Apple hasn't said. Developers might know.
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Apple was probably doing Santa Rosa development exclusively on Leopard, as Leopard was supposed to come out before SR. Therefore they have to backport SR and any other new MBP updates to 10.4. That, coupled with other work they had in the pipeline, leads to a 10.4.10 before the SR MBPs are released. Further, the SR MBPs most certainly will contain updated video, or else all the reviews will laugh at them, and point out how Wintel laptops like Thinkpads or Latitudes are so much more advanced / faster / etc than MBPs, and also came out a month or two earlier (many Wintel machines just received significant video bumps). Apple will not want that kinda PR.
My next post will be after the MBP specs are revealed, and the 10.4.10 support of SR is revealed, and it will be a "I told you so."
Ah, but they've known for a long time about the Leopard delay (or they were just fooling themselves thinking it was going to magically make schedule as they kept pulling people out), and, as such, have had the time to implement said changes.
But I don't know what you mean "That, coupled with other work they had in the pipeline". Is that other stuff they were doing for 10.4, or some stuff they were doing for leopard they now want to put back into 10.4?
And, again, there is no need for a 10.4.10 to implement these changes. They can just make a 10.4.9 build with the required changes and be done with it (they do this all the time, I wouldn't be surprised if the new MacBooks had a later build number then the released 10.4.9). There's certainly no reason to push a new macbook release down the line because you're trying to add support with a bunch of other fixes and changes in a big update.
AFurther, the SR MBPs most certainly will contain updated video, or else all the reviews will laugh at them, and point out how Wintel laptops like Thinkpads or Latitudes are so much more advanced / faster / etc than MBPs, and also came out a month or two earlier (many Wintel machines just received significant video bumps). Apple will not want that kinda PR.
Hey, it didn't stop them from updating the MacBooks with new processors and not changing the video or any of the other parts of the machine.
My next post will be after the MBP specs are revealed, and the 10.4.10 support of SR is revealed, and it will be a "I told you so."
double post, please delete.
Classic.
-Clive
If 10.4.10 does not bring full compatibility with Google online services I will raise hell.
Is that like raising a zombi?
"Presumably final update" to Tiger? I'm going to step out on a limb and say there will be a 10.4.11. Why? Because Apple always releases a patch right before a 10.x update... That and there's still a good 4.5 months before October. There's bound to be some updates before then.
I'd be willing to put $50 on it... any takers?
-Clive
Tiger OS X 10.10.10 update delayed until DECEMBER due to Apple allocating massive programming resources to new widescreen Video iPod with Wi-Fi capability.
- DigiTimes Staff Writer (not really)
This is a doggone friendly site.
George
"Presumably final update" to Tiger? I'm going to step out on a limb and say there will be a 10.4.11. Why? Because Apple always releases a patch right before a 10.x update... That and there's still a good 4.5 months before October. There's bound to be some updates before then.
I'd be willing to put $50 on it... any takers?
-Clive
* make the console record ALL the hanging events! ... so that evidence can be submitted to apple!
* create a more structured represenation for the logs ... xml (use ajax - css & xhtml - so the the backend can be pumped into sqlite which ships with osx! ... postgress would be prefered (webobjects even better!) .... apple needs to start using CORE DATA in their own telemetry!!! ... if not, then make sure that there is userland equivelent to 'xray' in the leopard version of activity monitor!)
* figure out why all browsers (webkit & gecko & others) constantly & pervasively HANG HANG HANG!!!! this is an os/x problem!
* drivers!!!! //// more dvds (burn) /////// drivers for more cell phones (sync) //// more bluetooth dongles -- my mac cant recognize almost any peripheral i connect to it!!! ------- this incompatibility does tremendous damage to mac's plug'n'play franchise (it doesnt help that apple selected a new brittle, brain-dead driver infrastructure (IOKIT) for os/x (embeded C++) instead of sticking with the reliable driver model (DriverKit) inherited from nextstep (yes, some people say that one way apple innovates from plain-jane unix is with the freedom to create new driver model; sure, that is an advatntage of darwin over legacy unix; but there is no reason why that choice has to be so far away from where the 'the finish line' was supposed to be, ie OSF/2).
* stability! .... i have never before believed hat an apple upgrade was not worth it ... but unless apple can PROVE that it can ship an industrial-stregnth reliable version of tiger FIRST, I will have nisgivings about being dragged through yet more years of misery & pain just to have access to some better eye candy. I used to thinbk people who said that sort of thing were dolts; but now i realize that if my rationale for the mac - time is money - is going to mean anything, then it cant just be measured in isolation to windoze ... it has to be measured against a higher standard (which is completely mac way of thinking in the first place!).
I agree and won't take the bet.
That's what I assumed 10.4.10 was seeing as Leopard was originally due out around this time.
It's not THAT stable. There are glitches.
The other night, for reasons I'm unaware of, I got a kernel panic. MY browser was open, but I wasn't accessing a page at the time.
Suddenly, the screen panic graphics sweeps downward, and the lovely message appeared.
Safari still quits or freezes at odd times.
I'll second the Safari issues. I woke my iMac from sleep this morning with a couple open Safari windows. I clicked on one and was greeted with the spinning beach ball. And it's a pretty normal occurence as are the crashes on certain web pages.
Personally, I'd love for them to show a little love to Front Row. It's still being touted as a major feature of Tiger, but with every new release of iTunes, Front Row gets further and further behind. It doesn't use the new Sort fields (iPods don't handle it well either though) and its handling of video is atrocious (doesn't sort TV shows correctly, duplicates videos in the Music section, can't watch video in the same folder when something is being downloaded from the iTunes Store). And adding Cover Flow mode somehow would be nice as well. Maybe some of these features are coming in Leopard (although the AppleTV makes me fearful it'll be pretty much abandoned to push people toward that path), but the more I try to use Front Row, the more it feels like something I should have downloaded off the internet as beta software, not as a key feature of a major OS.
Personally, I'd love for them to show a little love to Front Row. It's still being touted as a major feature of Tiger, but with every new release of iTunes, Front Row gets further and further behind. It doesn't use the new Sort fields (iPods don't handle it well either though) and its handling of video is atrocious (doesn't sort TV shows correctly, duplicates videos in the Music section, can't watch video in the same folder when something is being downloaded from the iTunes Store). And adding Cover Flow mode somehow would be nice as well. Maybe some of these features are coming in Leopard (although the AppleTV makes me fearful it'll be pretty much abandoned to push people toward that path), but the more I try to use Front Row, the more it feels like something I should have downloaded off the internet as beta software, not as a key feature of a major OS.
Well, unfortunately, I think Front Row has seen all the work its going to see. Obviously Front Row was what Apple was working on for the AppleTV. Just for what it is, it works. But it also just feels like another one of Apple's neglected children. They do this ALL the time. Come out with some new feature. Tout it up a storm like its the greatest thing since sliced bread. Then never put any more effort into it or update it at all. We saw it with Sherlock. Hell, we see it with the Finder (they seem more interested in putting make up on it to pretty it up, rather then spend quality time with it to make it a better program). We've seen it with Appleworks (a great program shelved for absolutely no reason).
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I REALLY DO HOPE THAT THEY'LL FIX-UP "SAFARI" BECAUSE IT CRASHES 99.99% OF THE TIME ON ME. AND GET RID MAC OS 9 TOO.
I REALLY DO HOPE THAT THEY'LL FIX-UP "SAFARI" BECAUSE IT CRASHES 99.99% OF THE TIME ON ME. AND GET RID MAC OS 9 TOO.
I agree that Safari has leaks, but it doesn't crash 99.99% of the time. Apple would be chewed out for making a web browser that was "that" bad.
And as far as I know, they "did" get rid of OS 9. No Intel based Mac supports OS 9. And you don't "have" to use classic mode on the Power PC models. I have a 4 year old Powerbook sitting next to me here that's never had the Classic environment booted.
Guys, I'd Thought That "apple Inc." Wouldn't Do Safari (3.0) For "tiger". I Guess They Have. Does Anyone Know If That "apple Inc." Dropped Mac Os-9 In The Mac Os X (10.4.10) Update?
Doubt it. OS9 should stay. I'd be in a bad spot if they dropped it. My CAD app runs in 9.
Doubt it. OS9 should stay. I'd be in a bad spot if they dropped it. My CAD app runs in 9.
Sooner or later though...
Guys, I'd Thought That "apple Inc." Wouldn't Do Safari (3.0) For "tiger". I Guess They Have. Does Anyone Know If That "apple Inc." Dropped Mac Os-9 In The Mac Os X (10.4.10) Update?
Steven, Apple hasn't updated "Classic" in years. Classic is included in the original install of 10.4. It doesn't need an update.
Apple's updates are not going to delete Classic from your machine. As that won't happen, as long as you continue to use any version of 10.4, Classic will continue to work.
I don't know if it is included in 10.5. Apple hasn't said. Developers might know.