Yes, through surface a number of deadly diseases will spread across america and gradually over the world. Eventually all the people on earth will have died because of surface!
Don't worry, MS will create a new position titled 'Surface Sanitation Engineer'.
You don't have room for Han's approach either unless you want to lose 3+ feet of your apartment. Han's approach also uses rear projection and cameras.
MS has shown a precursor to Surface in wall mode in the past (TouchLight). Given their target market (casinos) a tabletop makes more sense.
Hmmm... I have about 3 feet of space actually, on top of a Dresser where I keep the HP.
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Well I can guarantee you that Han's demos has been on Windows because one of the primary demo apps at TED is NASA WorldWind which until the most recent JavaOne was a strictly .NET/MDX application. You can see in their latest movie on their site that they use a modified NASA WorldWind in the first segment and transistions to GE to show 3D buildings later.
WorldWind is Open Source and could have been ported, I'll look into it further though, unfortunately it can't affect my buying decision because I can't afford it anyways.
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I dunno that I would classify it as much a product as service with hardware and software components. Its not like its all that useful out of the box without help. We'll see, we sent in a request to buy a wall for our labs a while back. I'm not expecting grand things about the level of documentation on how their APIs work.
I'm also going to ask our contacts at MS who to ask to buy the Milan SDK and the Surface hardware. I can say that I was surprised that Milan supported fiducials...I hadn't seen that in their earlier demos. That was one of the things we wanted to do...marry Han's work with something like reactable. Not something hard to do and MS certainly has thought through how to use that in the real world...at least enough to make really snazzy demos.
But given your comments I don't think any rational arguments will sway you from your anti-MS stance.
Vinea
I'm not so much Anti-Microsoft anymore... however I am still Anti-Windows and that's not going to change until Microsoft releases an operating system that makes sense. If they had more products like Surface I might never have been Anti-Microsoft to begin with, but Windows is a world of frustration whenever I touch it so it's best to just keep away from it and touch it as little as possible.
Mainly it's user interface and device interaction. You can place devices on the table and instantly access things like photos right there on the surface, and I'm a huge fan of Zero Configuration technology, and not just in networking, but as an entire philosophy for all electronics and software, and it doesn't get any simpler then setting the devices on Surface and just dragging a photo from one device to another. Each device has a clearly defined Zone, and from what I saw in another video, it has a dock that allows you to access other applications.
The main reason I don't like it is because it's a table (device interaction rocks, but I just can't see this sort of thing in a table) and I'd much rather have something on the wall that can act as a bulletin board of sorts or for example, access the thermostat and change the temperature. In other words, I'd rather see home interaction instead of device interaction. It could also have a larger length and width on a wall then it would in the form of a table because a wall has a larger surface area than a floor when you take into account any furniture you have around, and you can access it standing up, also because it's easier to glance at a wall filled with information than it is to glance at a table who's surface you may not even be able to see even in the same room no matter how you position it and where. In other words, in a real world situation, a table's form factor would be very bad for what I have in mind.
Mainly it's user interface and device interaction. You can place devices on the table and instantly access things like photos right there on the surface, and I'm a huge fan of Zero Configuration technology, and not just in networking, but as an entire philosophy for all electronics and software, and it doesn't get any simpler then setting the devices on Surface and just dragging a photo from one device to another. Each device has a clearly defined Zone, and from what I saw in another video, it has a dock that allows you to access other applications.
Actually the only thing "Surface" adds to those wireless devices is the ability to generate the circle thingie you can use as a target. The devices already auto-connect to any wirelessly enabled desktop machine. And they also already have drag-and-drop available for upload/download via a regular monitor desktop.
Actually the only thing "Surface" adds to those wireless devices is the ability to generate the circle thingie you can use as a target. The devices already auto-connect to any wirelessly enabled desktop machine. And they also already have drag-and-drop available for upload/download via a regular monitor desktop.
The devices require Microsoft's "Dominos" tags so I suspect some form of RFID. Even if it's not RFID, the Zones are still a brilliant UI feature for it's design.
Actually second thought, I don't think it's RFID, but a target for those cameras to generate the Zone. I still think it's a brilliant UI feature though.
The devices require Microsoft's "Dominos" tags so I suspect some form of RFID. Even if it's not RFID, the Zones are still a brilliant UI feature for it's design.
Actually second thought, I don't think it's RFID, but a target for those cameras to generate the Zone. I still think it's a brilliant UI feature though.
Sebastian
They are using some kind of fiducial on their cameras, game pieces, etc to identify them.
That is already available for OS X! Freeware! Windows too! And directions to build the same damn table on site!
I just lost a lot of respect on the MS innovation front here. They didn't even develop a new method, they just copied an already developed academic demo project! Here I was giving them a tiny bit of credit for generating the UI fields at the devices and that was an already solved problem!
Sorry Slewis, now this doesn't even work as a new UI enhancement since this plus drag and drop ARE the UI.
And MS wants three years to make it a shippable product?
That is already available for OS X! Freeware! Windows too! And directions to build the same damn table on site!
I just lost a lot of respect on the MS innovation front here. They didn't even develop a new method, they just copied an already developed academic demo project! Here I was giving them a tiny bit of credit for generating the UI fields at the devices and that was an already solved problem!
Sorry Slewis, now this doesn't even work as a new UI enhancement since this plus drag and drop ARE the UI.
And MS wants three years to make it a shippable product?
So it seems... I'm having trouble making sense of the site right now since I didn't get much sleep last night.
That is already available for OS X! Freeware! Windows too! And directions to build the same damn table on site!
I just lost a lot of respect on the MS innovation front here. They didn't even develop a new method, they just copied an already developed academic demo project! Here I was giving them a tiny bit of credit for generating the UI fields at the devices and that was an already solved problem!
Sorry Slewis, now this doesn't even work as a new UI enhancement since this plus drag and drop ARE the UI.
And MS wants three years to make it a shippable product?
MS didn't "copy" something as much as integrated it into their technology by bringing very well known multi-touch researchers into their fold. Bill Buxton is now at MS Research. MS has been collaborating with Columbia University on multi-touch research. Andy Wilson has been doing gesture and touch stuff for a decade.
Reactable and Kaltenbrunner isn't the origin of fiducials anyway.
And getting something out of the lab and into the real world takes a good 30 years or so. The mouse took 30 years from Englebart in 1965 to 1st commercial release by Xerox in 1982 to widespread use in Win95 in 1995.
We're about to come up to the Xerox release for multi-touch.
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Yes, through surface a number of deadly diseases will spread across america and gradually over the world. Eventually all the people on earth will have died because of surface!
Don't worry, MS will create a new position titled 'Surface Sanitation Engineer'.
This is based on your extensive knowledge of HCI?
Sure, why not. Everyone who uses a computer is an expert of HCI.
practically it's most beneficial aspect is the fast wireless communication to peripherals, which should have been here five years ago.
as for utility in a home setting... i'm not sure i see it. something like it certainly... but that something is upright ...
Sure, why not. Everyone who uses a computer is an expert of HCI.
Tell that to the linux devs...they didn't get the memo.
Vinea
Tell that to the linux devs...they didn't get the memo.
I think the larger part of the story there is that the GNU devs haven't ever seriously studied the problem. That, and that X11 sucks.
You don't have room for Han's approach either unless you want to lose 3+ feet of your apartment. Han's approach also uses rear projection and cameras.
MS has shown a precursor to Surface in wall mode in the past (TouchLight). Given their target market (casinos) a tabletop makes more sense.
Hmmm... I have about 3 feet of space actually, on top of a Dresser where I keep the HP.
Well I can guarantee you that Han's demos has been on Windows because one of the primary demo apps at TED is NASA WorldWind which until the most recent JavaOne was a strictly .NET/MDX application. You can see in their latest movie on their site that they use a modified NASA WorldWind in the first segment and transistions to GE to show 3D buildings later.
WorldWind is Open Source and could have been ported, I'll look into it further though, unfortunately it can't affect my buying decision because I can't afford it anyways.
I dunno that I would classify it as much a product as service with hardware and software components. Its not like its all that useful out of the box without help. We'll see, we sent in a request to buy a wall for our labs a while back. I'm not expecting grand things about the level of documentation on how their APIs work.
I'm also going to ask our contacts at MS who to ask to buy the Milan SDK and the Surface hardware. I can say that I was surprised that Milan supported fiducials...I hadn't seen that in their earlier demos. That was one of the things we wanted to do...marry Han's work with something like reactable. Not something hard to do and MS certainly has thought through how to use that in the real world...at least enough to make really snazzy demos.
But given your comments I don't think any rational arguments will sway you from your anti-MS stance.
Vinea
I'm not so much Anti-Microsoft anymore... however I am still Anti-Windows and that's not going to change until Microsoft releases an operating system that makes sense. If they had more products like Surface I might never have been Anti-Microsoft to begin with, but Windows is a world of frustration whenever I touch it so it's best to just keep away from it and touch it as little as possible.
Sebastian
Mainly it's user interface and device interaction. You can place devices on the table and instantly access things like photos right there on the surface, and I'm a huge fan of Zero Configuration technology, and not just in networking, but as an entire philosophy for all electronics and software, and it doesn't get any simpler then setting the devices on Surface and just dragging a photo from one device to another. Each device has a clearly defined Zone, and from what I saw in another video, it has a dock that allows you to access other applications.
The main reason I don't like it is because it's a table (device interaction rocks, but I just can't see this sort of thing in a table) and I'd much rather have something on the wall that can act as a bulletin board of sorts or for example, access the thermostat and change the temperature. In other words, I'd rather see home interaction instead of device interaction. It could also have a larger length and width on a wall then it would in the form of a table because a wall has a larger surface area than a floor when you take into account any furniture you have around, and you can access it standing up, also because it's easier to glance at a wall filled with information than it is to glance at a table who's surface you may not even be able to see even in the same room no matter how you position it and where. In other words, in a real world situation, a table's form factor would be very bad for what I have in mind.
Sebastian
OK so what do I like about Surface?
Mainly it's user interface and device interaction. You can place devices on the table and instantly access things like photos right there on the surface, and I'm a huge fan of Zero Configuration technology, and not just in networking, but as an entire philosophy for all electronics and software, and it doesn't get any simpler then setting the devices on Surface and just dragging a photo from one device to another. Each device has a clearly defined Zone, and from what I saw in another video, it has a dock that allows you to access other applications.
Actually the only thing "Surface" adds to those wireless devices is the ability to generate the circle thingie you can use as a target. The devices already auto-connect to any wirelessly enabled desktop machine. And they also already have drag-and-drop available for upload/download via a regular monitor desktop.
Actually the only thing "Surface" adds to those wireless devices is the ability to generate the circle thingie you can use as a target. The devices already auto-connect to any wirelessly enabled desktop machine. And they also already have drag-and-drop available for upload/download via a regular monitor desktop.
The devices require Microsoft's "Dominos" tags so I suspect some form of RFID. Even if it's not RFID, the Zones are still a brilliant UI feature for it's design.
Actually second thought, I don't think it's RFID, but a target for those cameras to generate the Zone. I still think it's a brilliant UI feature though.
Sebastian
The devices require Microsoft's "Dominos" tags so I suspect some form of RFID. Even if it's not RFID, the Zones are still a brilliant UI feature for it's design.
Actually second thought, I don't think it's RFID, but a target for those cameras to generate the Zone. I still think it's a brilliant UI feature though.
Sebastian
They are using some kind of fiducial on their cameras, game pieces, etc to identify them.
Here's an example:
http://mtg.upf.edu/reactable/?software
Vinea
They are using some kind of fiducial on their cameras, game pieces, etc to identify them.
Here's an example:
http://mtg.upf.edu/reactable/?software
Vinea
Thanks.
Sebastian
They are using some kind of fiducial on their cameras, game pieces, etc to identify them.
Here's an example:
http://mtg.upf.edu/reactable/?software
Vinea
Dude!
That is already available for OS X! Freeware! Windows too! And directions to build the same damn table on site!
I just lost a lot of respect on the MS innovation front here. They didn't even develop a new method, they just copied an already developed academic demo project! Here I was giving them a tiny bit of credit for generating the UI fields at the devices and that was an already solved problem!
Sorry Slewis, now this doesn't even work as a new UI enhancement since this plus drag and drop ARE the UI.
And MS wants three years to make it a shippable product?
Dude!
That is already available for OS X! Freeware! Windows too! And directions to build the same damn table on site!
I just lost a lot of respect on the MS innovation front here. They didn't even develop a new method, they just copied an already developed academic demo project! Here I was giving them a tiny bit of credit for generating the UI fields at the devices and that was an already solved problem!
Sorry Slewis, now this doesn't even work as a new UI enhancement since this plus drag and drop ARE the UI.
And MS wants three years to make it a shippable product?
So it seems... I'm having trouble making sense of the site right now since I didn't get much sleep last night.
Sebastian
Dude!
That is already available for OS X! Freeware! Windows too! And directions to build the same damn table on site!
I just lost a lot of respect on the MS innovation front here. They didn't even develop a new method, they just copied an already developed academic demo project! Here I was giving them a tiny bit of credit for generating the UI fields at the devices and that was an already solved problem!
Sorry Slewis, now this doesn't even work as a new UI enhancement since this plus drag and drop ARE the UI.
And MS wants three years to make it a shippable product?
MS didn't "copy" something as much as integrated it into their technology by bringing very well known multi-touch researchers into their fold. Bill Buxton is now at MS Research. MS has been collaborating with Columbia University on multi-touch research. Andy Wilson has been doing gesture and touch stuff for a decade.
Reactable and Kaltenbrunner isn't the origin of fiducials anyway.
And getting something out of the lab and into the real world takes a good 30 years or so. The mouse took 30 years from Englebart in 1965 to 1st commercial release by Xerox in 1982 to widespread use in Win95 in 1995.
We're about to come up to the Xerox release for multi-touch.
Vinea