I sure hope that when apple says it is going to demonstrate a "feature complete" version of Leopard on Monday that they consider the GUI a feature. My concern is that we will see all of the features but not the newly redesigned GUI (if in fact it is redesigned). If Apple does not consider a new GUI a feature then they would be keeping their promise by demonstrating everything else. My worry is that with October being quite a bit off and the OS being "complete", perhaps this part is not done yet. I have no solid information or reason to worry about this, it's just Apple's use of the phrase "feature complete" that got me thinking.
I only just now saw the Think Secret story from the 7th about new iMacs. Sounds convincing.
I still think the original plan was to release them (Leopard and the new iMac) together, but after it became clear that Leopard would not be ready by early August they changed the date of WWDC and pushed up the release of the new iMac to happen then (i.e., this Monday). I guess there was no longer any reason to hold it back.
Certainly "iMac Pro" sounds right. And obviously "iMac" will continue on the lower end. I tend to think they will keep 17" and 20" as iMac (with a bump) and go 24" for the new iMac Pro. There is a significant price jump right now between 1680x1050 and 1920x1200 widescreen displays, so it makes sense to divide the two iMac lines at that point. I'm a bit dubious about the rumored 30" (2560 x 1600) iMP model, but why not?!
I agree, it's convincing, but so is AI's report that they aren't ready yet. So far, however, I'm more prone to believe TS's report, as it includes more information, including info we have already heard from AI and other sources. I am extremely confident, as well, that there will be 2 lines of iMacs (iMac and iMac Pro). This sentence from TS's article really did it for me:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Think Secret
The iMac's new enclosure will better match that of Apple's high-end systems as the company repositions the iMac as a more premium offering.
Why else would they have the new design match the higher end models? There's no way Apple will simply tout it as higher-end when it's gained recognition as a great computer for any average user to do just about whatever. It's been a great selling point for the average family household. If they started aiming it solely as higher-end, they'd miss out on such a huge market share.
The new design, ladies and gentlemen, is an additional line of iMacs.
9. New Product! - Mac tablet with multi-touch (tm)
10. iWork demo
11. iLife demo
12. One more thing AppleTV with DVD and tuner!!
Oh crap... we forgot all about OS X and the developers.... Oh well
Sorry folks but this **IS** an event for DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS (try not to break into song - lol) and the news developers have traveled and in some cases spent their own money to attend is about OS X and how they can best develop software to best take advantage of what it has to offer.
Sure we'll likely see ONE (maybe) hardware announcement and perhaps some Apple software update that takes specific advantage of the things Apple will be demoing WRT 10.5 and sure they will be obligate to talk up the iPod and iPhone cause 'the press at large' well be watching and that kinda publicity money simply can't buy... but after that Steves keynote better concentrate on all things OS X and most specifically what's BENEATH the GUI surface.
People do this all the time... get all excited cause they think they're gonna see some TOTAL refresh of everything and anything they can think of and then when it doesn't happen come off all pissed...
Anyway as you were... I'm done raining on everyones parade for now.
Mkay, I'll bite. My prediction for keynote agenda:
1. Apple corporate update
2. Apple market share update
3. iTunes / iPod / AppleTV update
4. iPhone mention (possibly announcing SDK is 'on the way') --> "But we have many other things to talk about today."
5. Cinema Display update/refresh
6. OSX Secret Features (and GUI) Demos
7. .Mac updates
8. mini update (discontinuation)
9. iMac update (very small bump)
10. One More Thing - New Product! - iMac Pro (long anticipated new brushed aluminum design, complete with Santa Rosa chip bumps, 2 GB RAM, 160GB 5500 RPM HDD, High end GPU as in MBP)
Mkay, I'll bite. My prediction for keynote agenda:
Very reasonable predictions. I like the order too. The only difference I would make is regarding the iMac Pro. I don't think it will happen. Ether all the consumer iMacs will be updated to a new case or none will. Plus, the naming to too close to Mac Pro to be good for marketing.
Funny, I don't recall reading any predictions about a headless Mac somewhere between the Mac mini and Mac Pro. Has everyone given up on this?
Steve would note waste his valuable stage time discontinuing a product unless he had a replacement for it. It would be too negative and detract from the desirable positive-nature of a keynote.
"Well, the Mac mini has not been meeting our expectations so we are going to kill it off."
People would leave the room and stocks would drop. Even the RDF at full power would not be able to recover from that one.
Im sorry but I don't see a headless mac ever being released.
Mac is a general term used for all there computers "Get a Mac", "Mac + PC", "Hi I'm a Mac", "Mac OS X". It would be too confusing for Joe Customer to recognize the difference.
Couple years back the WWDC was just to announce the Intel transition. No new products.
And the one last year, we got the Mac Pro, an announcement that Intel XServes would ship 3 months later, and some Leopard stuff.
WWDC is not about "oooh, shiny!". It's targeted to developers, who won't be "WOW"ed by a 10% faster iMac.
My prediction is that there will be ONE hardware announcement. It will concern the mini. The mini will either:
A. Go 64-bit and
1. move up market ($899, full HDD (or 2), single PCIe x16, slightly bigger)
2. move down market ($499 to start, same basic stats)
B. Be discontinued
I say this because last year, Apple hyped the 64-bit transition, urging developers to move to the newer 64-bit libraries come Leopard and abandon legacy libraries. This was in the non-NDA videos up for download (the 300 or 500 level one).
In the 9 months since then, we still have a 32-bit Mini. I think Apple wants to move away from that, and go all 64-bit, and they have to do that in the next few months.
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Brushed aluminum iMacs Monday!
All I want is a new OS X GUI - something like the one that the iPhone sports.
Ditto.
I only just now saw the Think Secret story from the 7th about new iMacs. Sounds convincing.
I still think the original plan was to release them (Leopard and the new iMac) together, but after it became clear that Leopard would not be ready by early August they changed the date of WWDC and pushed up the release of the new iMac to happen then (i.e., this Monday). I guess there was no longer any reason to hold it back.
Certainly "iMac Pro" sounds right. And obviously "iMac" will continue on the lower end. I tend to think they will keep 17" and 20" as iMac (with a bump) and go 24" for the new iMac Pro. There is a significant price jump right now between 1680x1050 and 1920x1200 widescreen displays, so it makes sense to divide the two iMac lines at that point. I'm a bit dubious about the rumored 30" (2560 x 1600) iMP model, but why not?!
I agree, it's convincing, but so is AI's report that they aren't ready yet. So far, however, I'm more prone to believe TS's report, as it includes more information, including info we have already heard from AI and other sources. I am extremely confident, as well, that there will be 2 lines of iMacs (iMac and iMac Pro). This sentence from TS's article really did it for me:
The iMac's new enclosure will better match that of Apple's high-end systems as the company repositions the iMac as a more premium offering.
Why else would they have the new design match the higher end models? There's no way Apple will simply tout it as higher-end when it's gained recognition as a great computer for any average user to do just about whatever. It's been a great selling point for the average family household. If they started aiming it solely as higher-end, they'd miss out on such a huge market share.
The new design, ladies and gentlemen, is an additional line of iMacs.
The new design, ladies and gentlemen, is an additional line of iMacs.
Just what we need, an additional line of Macs for a niche market.
1. Apple corporate update
2. Apple market share update
3. iTunes / iPod / AppleTV update
4. iPhone hype (with new AD shown)
5. Cinema Display update/refresh
6. iMac update
7. mini update
8. New Product! - Mac ultra portable released
9. New Product! - Mac tablet with multi-touch (tm)
10. iWork demo
11. iLife demo
12. One more thing AppleTV with DVD and tuner!!
Oh crap... we forgot all about OS X and the developers.... Oh well
Sorry folks but this **IS** an event for DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS (try not to break into song - lol) and the news developers have traveled and in some cases spent their own money to attend is about OS X and how they can best develop software to best take advantage of what it has to offer.
Sure we'll likely see ONE (maybe) hardware announcement and perhaps some Apple software update that takes specific advantage of the things Apple will be demoing WRT 10.5 and sure they will be obligate to talk up the iPod and iPhone cause 'the press at large' well be watching and that kinda publicity money simply can't buy... but after that Steves keynote better concentrate on all things OS X and most specifically what's BENEATH the GUI surface.
People do this all the time... get all excited cause they think they're gonna see some TOTAL refresh of everything and anything they can think of and then when it doesn't happen come off all pissed...
Anyway as you were... I'm done raining on everyones parade for now.
Dave
1. Apple corporate update
2. Apple market share update
3. iTunes / iPod / AppleTV update
4. iPhone mention (possibly announcing SDK is 'on the way') --> "But we have many other things to talk about today."
5. Cinema Display update/refresh
6. OSX Secret Features (and GUI) Demos
7. .Mac updates
8. mini update (discontinuation)
9. iMac update (very small bump)
10. One More Thing - New Product! - iMac Pro (long anticipated new brushed aluminum design, complete with Santa Rosa chip bumps, 2 GB RAM, 160GB 5500 RPM HDD, High end GPU as in MBP)
Mkay, I'll bite. My prediction for keynote agenda:
Very reasonable predictions. I like the order too. The only difference I would make is regarding the iMac Pro. I don't think it will happen. Ether all the consumer iMacs will be updated to a new case or none will. Plus, the naming to too close to Mac Pro to be good for marketing.
Funny, I don't recall reading any predictions about a headless Mac somewhere between the Mac mini and Mac Pro. Has everyone given up on this?
"Well, the Mac mini has not been meeting our expectations so we are going to kill it off."
People would leave the room and stocks would drop. Even the RDF at full power would not be able to recover from that one.
Funny, I don't recall reading any predictions about a headless Mac somewhere between the Mac mini and Mac Pro. Has everyone given up on this?
No, I haven't given up.
2. New iMacs
3. everything else is bonus
last 24 hours
Mac is a general term used for all there computers "Get a Mac", "Mac + PC", "Hi I'm a Mac", "Mac OS X". It would be too confusing for Joe Customer to recognize the difference.
Ford wouldn't release "SUV" or "Ford"
our own AI
wall street journal
macrumors
thinksecret
something gotta give up, nothing happening now
Couple years back the WWDC was just to announce the Intel transition. No new products.
So if we are little reasonable we could expect the following:
? Leopard full preview (really?)
? iPhone preview (AT&T plans)
? possibly Cinema Displays update (thinner enclosure) Maybe with iSight. Larger than 30" displays. Maybe LED
? Possibly MacPro extreme. Higher end machine, with new interior architecture. Same enclosure.
That's it.
iMac could come at the following week. or maybe in Paris.
same for Macmini updates.
no iPods, maybe they are waiting for the Xmas season.
guys. do not get too excite.
Couple years back the WWDC was just to announce the Intel transition. No new products.
And the one last year, we got the Mac Pro, an announcement that Intel XServes would ship 3 months later, and some Leopard stuff.
WWDC is not about "oooh, shiny!". It's targeted to developers, who won't be "WOW"ed by a 10% faster iMac.
My prediction is that there will be ONE hardware announcement. It will concern the mini. The mini will either:
A. Go 64-bit and
1. move up market ($899, full HDD (or 2), single PCIe x16, slightly bigger)
2. move down market ($499 to start, same basic stats)
B. Be discontinued
I say this because last year, Apple hyped the 64-bit transition, urging developers to move to the newer 64-bit libraries come Leopard and abandon legacy libraries. This was in the non-NDA videos up for download (the 300 or 500 level one).
In the 9 months since then, we still have a 32-bit Mini. I think Apple wants to move away from that, and go all 64-bit, and they have to do that in the next few months.
1) Steve Jobs
2) Leopard
3) iPhone
Now what do I win?
Take that windows mobile
That is an interesting place to put the plug!!
Wait til you see the shape of the dock.