Is Jobs a Toolbag?
They year of HD, "Top secret features", and yada yada yada.
I was expecting some new stuff and the only thing really new was google cooperation and safari on windows. Both were semi expected on this board. I know someone mentioned the safari on windows before the keynote.
So. in true Ireland fashion, because I heard that island is his, is Steve a total tool bag marketing machine or what?
I was expecting some new stuff and the only thing really new was google cooperation and safari on windows. Both were semi expected on this board. I know someone mentioned the safari on windows before the keynote.
So. in true Ireland fashion, because I heard that island is his, is Steve a total tool bag marketing machine or what?
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is Steve a total tool bag marketing machine or what?
Yep, you can see it quite clearly these days when he goes on interviews holding his iphone. It's just the way he acts and talks, you can see he's pitching instead of reporting. It's natural he wants Apple to succeed but he's getting old and he can't be the only one to drive Apple forward.
They year of HD, "Top secret features", and yada yada yada.
I was expecting some new stuff and the only thing really new was google cooperation and safari on windows. Both were semi expected on this board. I know someone mentioned the safari on windows before the keynote.
So. in true Ireland fashion, because I heard that island is his, is Steve a total tool bag marketing machine or what?
It's me name, don't wear it out.
I think this keynote has proven then WE are the tool.
Speak for yourself. I wasn't expecting multi-touch iMac's or a secret feature of OS X to be to tickle your balls.
So far (granted there aren't any other major/minor features added):
- The finder is fixed (including the bugs, according to one dev on mac rumors)
- the UI is consistent (even if you don't like the transparency desktop (i do) you can turn it off)
- its full 64 bit (with support going back to the G4)
- stacks (imo) is great (especially the auto-downloads one)
- spaces is sweet, and judging from some of the extra info on the apple website, it will be cooler than i thought it was going to be
- though now removed from the apple website, originally on the bootcamp page there was a blurb about how there will be a "power sleep" feature that allows you to essentially log out of OS X and into Windows without rebooting and vice versa.
- time machine and iChat+photobooth are still sweet updates for leopard
- the new front row look (same as apple tv) looks better (imo)
- and safari 3 is a great update no matter what way you put it because safari 2 is so outdated.
and thats not to mention all the updates for developers (which is what wwdc is actually supposed to be about) such as:- Xcode 3 means (as steve said in the keynote) they compile once to get 32 and 64 bit support, meaning they have more time to add actual updates to the wealth of already good software on the mac
- fully unix compliant
- improved multicore management
- more first party apple app's are multicore now
- core animation allows for fancy UI elements that are relatively easy to make, plus with hardware acceleration so it won't slow your machine
- and abunch of other stuff above my head here
not to mention the usual increase in snappiness that comes with every major update. OS X is starting to fully mature, and as such Apple is giving the dev's more tools to make their apps better, which in turn makes the end user's experience all the more great.the win-safari is just another way for apple to try and increase their userbase. right now apple has a halo effect through their iPod, iTunes, and Quicktime (and hopefully soon the iPhone), and now they are going to try and do the same with Safari. The more that people use and like apple products, the more likely they are going to try other products. It makes the migration from Windows to OS X seem less painful if you already have experience using core products of the operating system, which is why they bothered doing it.
Speak for yourself. I wasn't expecting multi-touch iMac's or a secret feature of OS X to be to tickle your balls.
So far (granted there aren't any other major/minor features added):
- The finder is fixed (including the bugs, according to one dev on mac rumors)
- the UI is consistent (even if you don't like the transparency desktop (i do) you can turn it off)
- its full 64 bit (with support going back to the G4)
- stacks (imo) is great (especially the auto-downloads one)
- spaces is sweet, and judging from some of the extra info on the apple website, it will be cooler than i thought it was going to be
- though now removed from the apple website, originally on the bootcamp page there was a blurb about how there will be a "power sleep" feature that allows you to essentially log out of OS X and into Windows without rebooting and vice versa.
- time machine and iChat+photobooth are still sweet updates for leopard
- the new front row look (same as apple tv) looks better (imo)
- and safari 3 is a great update no matter what way you put it because safari 2 is so outdated.
and thats not to mention all the updates for developers (which is what wwdc is actually supposed to be about) such as:- Xcode 3 means (as steve said in the keynote) they compile once to get 32 and 64 bit support, meaning they have more time to add actual updates to the wealth of already good software on the mac
- fully unix compliant
- improved multicore management
- more first party apple app's are multicore now
- core animation allows for fancy UI elements that are relatively easy to make, plus with hardware acceleration so it won't slow your machine
- and abunch of other stuff above my head here
not to mention the usual increase in snappiness that comes with every major update. OS X is starting to fully mature, and as such Apple is giving the dev's more tools to make their apps better, which in turn makes the end user's experience all the more great.the win-safari is just another way for apple to try and increase their userbase. right now apple has a halo effect through their iPod, iTunes, and Quicktime (and hopefully soon the iPhone), and now they are going to try and do the same with Safari. The more that people use and like apple products, the more likely they are going to try other products. It makes the migration from Windows to OS X seem less painful if you already have experience using core products of the operating system, which is why they bothered doing it.
Actually, I'm perfectly happy with the WWDC stuff. I was just talking about most mac fans in general. Expecting too much and then being let down when they don't get a multi-touch mac fembot. Apple runs a business and they need to be smart about things. And in my opinion, they ARE being smart about things.
Clearly, there were points where he paused for the spontaneous outpouring of applause, which never came, leaving him to kind of stand there and go "So, uh, that's feature 6, it's really great".
Maybe the man has finally succumbed to his own RDF, and he doesn't realize that Apple has started over-promising and under-delivering.
You know, my take on the keynote is the wind sort of went out of Jobs because he wasn't getting the ecstatic reactions he expects.
Clearly, there were points where he paused for the spontaneous outpouring of applause, which never came, leaving him to kind of stand there and go "So, uh, that's feature 6, it's really great".
Maybe the man has finally succumbed to his own RDF, and he doesn't realize that Apple has started over-promising and under-delivering.
I dunno... like I said in another thread, I think some of the announcements were taken out due to problems... I only say this because of the repeat of previous obvious info. Steve knows his presentations forward and backwards and this one seemed almost haphazard.
I dunno... like I said in another thread, I think some of the announcements were taken out due to problems... I only say this because of the repeat of previous obvious info. Steve knows his presentations forward and backwards and this one seemed almost haphazard.
Yeah, actually when I think about it that seems a better fit-- we've seen this before, where Jobs is actually kind of bummed that the stuff he whipped his people beyond all endurance to have ready for him isn't at hand, so he's saving up his energy for the beating he plans to administer as soon as the keynote is over....
Yeah, actually when I think about it that seems a better fit-- we've seen this before, where Jobs is actually kind of bummed that the stuff he whipped his people beyond all endurance to have ready for him isn't at hand, so he's saving up his energy for the beating he plans to administer as soon as the keynote is over....
...and you know it's hard to code with bloody hands.
I dunno... like I said in another thread, I think some of the announcements were taken out due to problems... I only say this because of the repeat of previous obvious info. Steve knows his presentations forward and backwards and this one seemed almost haphazard.
I hope you're right.
I struggle with watching the Keynote and seeing those pauses. He has either lost his touch, has an ego that is huge, or pulled out some stuff that is not ready. Lately, I tend to think a combination of the first two more so than the last with all three contributing.
ZFS is leaked by Sun, and then not mentioned. Makes you wonder what is ready and what was left on the table. He could have played that up just a little to the developers.
Then the one more thing and the one last thing. Safari on Windows, that's great. But why do the developers really care to the point you make it the dead last thing? Maybe the web guys care a little at this point, but with such a small market share, it seemed like that was a poorly planned over-the-top feature that did not get the reaction he expected. Don't get me wrong, I am using Safari on Windows in Parallels and I like it, but you don't drop that last. You drop something else at that point. A true "wow" feature I would think.
If the iPhone launch goes badly, Apple will take a huge hit from tech fans in general because Apple seems to be betting the farm on this product launch. It IS the reason they pushed Leopard back, after-all. AAPL will tank for sure if it doesn't go right.
I am not down on Apple, but more so Steve's overstated optimistic statements and then lack of delivery. He may be getting a taste of what Bill Gates has to deal with. Getting big and popular can suck pretty fast.
Yep, you can see it quite clearly these days when he goes on interviews holding his iphone. It's just the way he acts and talks, you can see he's pitching instead of reporting. It's natural he wants Apple to succeed but he's getting old and he can't be the only one to drive Apple forward.
They year of HD, "Top secret features", and yada yada yada.
I was expecting some new stuff and the only thing really new was google cooperation and safari on windows. Both were semi expected on this board. I know someone mentioned the safari on windows before the keynote.
So. in true Ireland fashion, because I heard that island is his, is Steve a total tool bag marketing machine or what?
I think the thing is after the iPhone Steve will step down. I'm sure he's grooming a successor now. Phil S. will play a big part, maybe become CEO? Probably some others in the wings.
I think Steve is making his last thrust for this decade, and retire gracefully with his family and set up some organic farm/ yoga/ etc. etc. type Foundation of sorts.
I had to vote Yes, but I feel it's just what Steve has gotta do what he's gotta do.
I wasn't expecting great things, just some "top secret" features, Steve's words not mine. Not a rehash of what he already told us and mediocre news. It seems Wall Street agreed with that news when the hardware didn't hit and top secret was an over the top description to use about the new features he couldn't show us a few months ago.
I struggle with watching the Keynote and seeing those pauses. He has either lost his touch, has an ego that is huge, or pulled out some stuff that is not ready. Lately, I tend to think a combination of the first two more so than the last with all three contributing.
ZFS is leaked by Sun, and then not mentioned. Makes you wonder what is ready and what was left on the table. He could have played that up just a little to the developers.
Then the one more thing and the one last thing. Safari on Windows, that's great. But why do the developers really care to the point you make it the dead last thing? Maybe the web guys care a little at this point, but with such a small market share, it seemed like that was a poorly planned over-the-top feature that did not get the reaction he expected. Don't get me wrong, I am using Safari on Windows in Parallels and I like it, but you don't drop that last. You drop something else at that point. A true "wow" feature I would think.
If the iPhone launch goes badly, Apple will take a huge hit from tech fans in general because Apple seems to be betting the farm on this product launch. It IS the reason they pushed Leopard back, after-all. AAPL will tank for sure if it doesn't go right.
I am not down on Apple, but more so Steve's overstated optimistic statements and then lack of delivery. He may be getting a taste of what Bill Gates has to deal with. Getting big and popular can suck pretty fast.
Very good points.
Pretty much Apple is betting a lot on iPhone, as you mention, and I think the launch will go very well. WWDC '07 was basically closing off the Mac chapter. Apple by the end of this year is going to be a very very different company.
I think the thing is after the iPhone Steve will step down. I'm sure he's grooming a successor now. Phil S. will play a big part, maybe become CEO? Probably some others in the wings.
I actually think it's the young guy that reminds me of Steve Buscemi:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000114/
He's been on stage more and more over the past few events.
I hope to god it's not the drunk French guy - Bertrand Serlet.
I don't really like Phil Schiller much, he seems like your average, jovial, fat American and although that's ok for a bit of fun and games, we need someone a bit more serious. I think that young guy would be best simply because he'll have some longevity and he seems to know what he's talking about.
I think the thing is after the iPhone Steve will step down. I'm sure he's grooming a successor now. Phil S. will play a big part, maybe become CEO? Probably some others in the wings.
I think Steve is making his last thrust for this decade, and retire gracefully with his family and set up some organic farm/ yoga/ etc. etc. type Foundation of sorts.
I had to vote Yes, but I feel it's just what Steve has gotta do what he's gotta do.
My gut feeling is that you are right about Steve stepping down soon. This will probably happen suddenly, as all Apple announcements go and will be a temporary major blow to the stock. Beyond Steve, I think Apple's long term plans would be to merge or be acquired by a larger company... I don't see Apple surviving more than another 10-15 years.
Closing the Mac chapter? Hardly. Apple is not betting the entire company on iPhone, but if it makes sense to eventually shift into the iPhone then they probably will. But the last thing any serious CEO at Apple, and Steve is quite serious when he has to be, would do is bet the entire company on one product, especially when they have iPod and yes, Macintosh.
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Fortunately I don't trust your gut feeling, nor do I ever trust mine until it makes logical sense to trust it.
As I said above: Apple is like the personal computer, but not entirely like it to where it follows it on a parallel path doomed to merge with something else. No one can predict what will happen 10-15 years from now but it's very easy to completely underestimate Apple and then end up regretting it. Microsoft and their entire army of loyal journalists have been underestimating Apple for 10 years... Microsoft now gets to play catch up with the Music industry and thousands if not millions are left questioning every single newspaper and website that dares to speak news about anything Apple related with the majority of them being wrong on an everyday basis. Just look at John Dvorak, he's old, outdated, and irrelevant and unable to predict anything about Apple: Just like IBM!
Sebastian
I'm just being realistic, Seb. ...Jobs is getting older and it's a fact that we've seen noone with the chops that Steve has emerge from Apple. This is typical in dictatorial systems. Once Steve dies, so goes the beating heart of the company. Perhaps you don't remember John Sculley, Michael Spindler and Gil Amelio? Apple was on life support!