Rumor puts Apple Nav System in Mercedes models by '09

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  • Reply 21 of 54
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,341member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Clive At Five View Post


    This report is ridiculous, plain and simple. There are so many other places where Apple could make improvements to OSes. Why on earth would they go after the NAV system market?



    Speaking of fixing OSes, how can Apple conquer the portable media market, launch a ginormous attack against the Cell Phone industry, and still can't manage to FTFF?!?!?!?!?!??!?!



    -Clive



    Wow...content free. Your thesis statement claims that this isa a ridiculous venture for Apple. Your supporting statements center around areas that Apple could improve the OS yet mysteriously you offer no suggestions. Then your grand finale is a specious argument against the Finder which we already know has improvements in Leopard.



    Try to engage both halves of your brain next time please. Your post basically made me have to scroll that much further to get to "meaningful" content. So as to make my post worthy of reading and inject a bit of content the reasons for Apple looking into this area are easy.



    The iPhone delivers excellent OS X functionality in a small portable configuration. GPS based navigational system are becoming more and more popular as options for automobiles. 3G, WiMax and other WWAN technologies are proliferating. Bonjour now supports Wide Area networks and work is ensuing to allow you to deliver services via your computer without the need for a static IP address.



    Many people commute, which can easily take 2 hours out of your day. Apple has the OS and Google has the extensive work with Mapping to form a strategic alliance.



    Can we get some "real" reasons why this union shouldn't happen? Other than hyperbole and stale commentary about issues that are already addressed and waiting to be delivered in October.
  • Reply 22 of 54
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,949member
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    Originally Posted by Louzer View Post


    BTW, why would you need an iSight for backup camera operation? Or is it just necessary to throw that in there to make 10 (since mine does this without the need of iSight or OS X).



    I think backup cameras in current cars do need some sort of embedded digital electronics. OS X can probably allow more control or flexibility in how it is handled.
  • Reply 23 of 54
    EDIT: Wow...that's a first.
  • Reply 24 of 54
    messiahmessiah Posts: 1,689member
    Told you.
  • Reply 25 of 54
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,183member
    Does anyone who is into Apple/iPod/Macs drive Mercedes-Benz? I sort of associate M-B it with being an old folks' car (not that I am a spring chicken) -- I mean, more like the Caddy crowd...?
  • Reply 26 of 54
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,183member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    Some cars use cameras for backing up..... It's been shown to be much more accurate for people to use than those mirrors with the ubiquitous " Objects are closer than they appear" imprinted on the mirror surface.



    I've now been driving a vehicle with a back-up camera for over three years now, and can't imagine not having one anymore when I need to back up -- it's a bit scary how one can get totally used to it.



    PS: I now sweat bullets when I have a large-ish car, e.g., rental, w/o the camera, and need to back up!
  • Reply 27 of 54
    mrpiddlymrpiddly Posts: 406member
    You think i can fit a mac pro in a car? And two 30 inch screens?
  • Reply 28 of 54
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 32,977member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mrpiddly View Post


    You think i can fit a mac pro in a car? And two 30 inch screens?



    Depends on the car.
  • Reply 29 of 54
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,408member
    Anyone willing to bet that Apple has a skunkworks project in development to co-develop vehicle navigation systems for future cars (like DARPA's self-navigating vehicle). Apple could be on the forefront of 'intelligent vehicle' systems integration...
  • Reply 30 of 54
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post


    Wow...content free.



    Can we get some "real" reasons why this union shouldn't happen? Other than hyperbole and stale commentary about issues that are already addressed and waiting to be delivered in October.



    Checking e-mail, making phone calls, surfing the web, and watching movies which are a thing that drivers should not be doing. The only usefulness of those functions would be on a per-passenger basis and would undoubtedly be cheaper than each passenger having an iPhone. Offering no advantage over individual iPhones the only thing it would do is lose Apple money.



    The only remaining capability would be GPS and the NAV system navigation itself, neither of which are much worth Apple's time. Google, yes, but Apple, no.



    As for the Finder and Leopard, Stacks is the only actual enhancement I see. It eliminates a couple more items from Bruce Tognazzini's list regarding the Dock's shortcomings, but others still remain. As for the iTunes Finder windows, many will soon find out that Cover Flow is only good for folders with a lot of pictures. It is one task that Windows XP has outshown OS X on for many years. For anything else, it's sheer glitz.



    -Clive
  • Reply 31 of 54
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 32,977member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Clive At Five View Post


    NAV systems are not a natural progression of Apple's realm. I can only think of one other device that didn't fit Apple's realm initially (the iPod) and that was a 1:1,000,000 shot at becoming as popular is it did. Everything that followed - the iTMS, color/photo iPod, tv content on iTS, video-capable iPod, movies on iTS, games on iTS, AppleTV, iPhone - were natural progressions of that product's untamed market. The NAV system in a car could very well be an extension of this line (more along the lines of an iPhone-type interface) but I don't see Apple going that way. Checking e-mail, making phone calls, surfing the web, and



    We are waiting in anticipation.



    and...



    What?
  • Reply 32 of 54
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    We are waiting in anticipation.



    and...



    What?



    Safari for Windows ate my post, that son of a bitch. It was really good, too. Now I'm forced to paraphrase and likely lose the meaning of half of what I was saying.



    -Clive
  • Reply 33 of 54
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,949member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Clive At Five View Post


    Checking e-mail, making phone calls, surfing the web, and watching movies which are a thing that drivers should not be doing.



    Most car systems I've heard of lock out most of those features when the car is in drive, if the driver can see the screen. I think the lock-out is a legal compliance issue.
  • Reply 34 of 54
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,341member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Clive At Five View Post


    Checking e-mail, making phone calls, surfing the web, and watching movies which are a thing that drivers should not be doing. The only usefulness of those functions would be on a per-passenger basis and would undoubtedly be cheaper than each passenger having an iPhone. Offering no advantage over individual iPhones the only thing it would do is lose Apple money.



    The only remaining capability would be GPS and the NAV system navigation itself, neither of which are much worth Apple's time. Google, yes, but Apple, no.



    As for the Finder and Leopard, Stacks is the only actual enhancement I see. It eliminates a couple more items from Bruce Tognazzini's list regarding the Dock's shortcomings, but others still remain. As for the iTunes Finder windows, many will soon find out that Cover Flow is only good for folders with a lot of pictures. It is one task that Windows XP has outshown OS X on for many years. For anything else, it's sheer glitz.



    -Clive



    It's fairly trivial to have your emails read through your speakers via Text to Speech. Didn't Apple just create a new voice that performs much better. How hard is it to drive and listen? We do it everyday with music and conversation. Ditto for making calls via Bluetooth. WA state just passed a law where you can be fined for driving with one hand on the wheel one hand on the cell. Hands free takes care of that and keeps both hands on the wheel. Problem solved



    As Jeff and I have said the other features are operational in a parked car. I think you're the only one calling the idea itself ridiculous so the burden of proof really is with you.



    The Finder updates look benign and I wasn't happy until NDA bustin' data hit. Performance has improved, no more network mount issues. Cover Flow is eyecandy...the steak is in a more organized look with the ability to search local and shared computers as well as take control. I don't mind having Remote Desktop features available. Cover flow is also a UI element that translates well to touch based screens which is likely why Apple is adding it everywhere.



    Truth be told those who are traveling significantly want smaller and smaller devices. Navigation capabilities are the bread and butter but there's so much more that can be done to make travel/communication/safety synergize in a dashboard product.
  • Reply 35 of 54
    why exclusively for benz tho???
  • Reply 36 of 54
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 32,977member
    By the by, where did these new icons come from. They appeared between posts... just like that!
  • Reply 37 of 54
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 32,977member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BMWintoxication View Post


    why exclusively for benz tho???



    Perhaps they are working on it together.
  • Reply 38 of 54
    louzerlouzer Posts: 1,054member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    That's a big difference. MS's OS has warnings not to use it for life critical purposes. It also states that it isn't to be used for nuclear power plants. What does that have to do with it? It's in BMW's now.



    OS X has the same warnings, as do most pieces of computer hardware.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post


    It's fairly trivial to have your emails read through your speakers via Text to Speech. Didn't Apple just create a new voice that performs much better. How hard is it to drive and listen? We do it everyday with music and conversation. Ditto for making calls via Bluetooth. WA state just passed a law where you can be fined for driving with one hand on the wheel one hand on the cell. Hands free takes care of that and keeps both hands on the wheel. Problem solved



    Sorry, but listening to music is completely different then listening to conversation or emails. One requires no thought, its background plather (I'm talking music here). Its been shown that cell phone use, even 'hands free' devices, still distract users from paying attention to the road. As would listening to emails and such. The reason being you actually have to spend part of you're attention on trying to comprehend what's being said, rather then what's happening around you.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post


    As Jeff and I have said the other features are operational in a parked car. I think you're the only one calling the idea itself ridiculous so the burden of proof really is with you.



    That depends on the system. My NAV system works while the car is moving.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post


    Truth be told those who are traveling significantly want smaller and smaller devices. Navigation capabilities are the bread and butter but there's so much more that can be done to make travel/communication/safety synergize in a dashboard product.



    But having a carputer makes no financial or practical sense. Do you notice that no one has a 'car phone' anymore? Because once they realized they could only use it in the car, people went for the ones not tied to the auto itself. Who wants to spend $2000 on a NAV system that only works while you're sitting in the parking lot of your office, or your driveway at home? Where's the sense in that?
  • Reply 39 of 54
    I've been thinking for YEARS that computers need to be in the dash of cars.



    It's obscene how much the factory charges for a navigation system or even a simple CD player (remember how long it took for them to put CD players into cars?!).



    Check out this site for lots of cars with Macs in the dash:



    http://www.macvroom.com/



    Currently,my iPod controls my entire car stereo (600W subwoofers + 100x2 Boston front components). Sounds great. It even has a docking/charging base with remote control! Some POS thief stole my Kenwood headunit so decided to go this route. I don't get any front/back fading, but so what? I don't even have rear speakers...



    Wouldn't one of those PCMCIA cellular cards work for internet? They're decently fast, and work whereever a cell phone works.



    Personally, I think this rumor is crap, unfortunately.
  • Reply 40 of 54
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,341member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Louzer View Post


    But having a carputer makes no financial or practical sense. Do you notice that no one has a 'car phone' anymore? Because once they realized they could only use it in the car, people went for the ones not tied to the auto itself. Who wants to spend $2000 on a NAV system that only works while you're sitting in the parking lot of your office, or your driveway at home? Where's the sense in that?



    Because not everyone wants a smartphone. Hell I know people who could give a shat about color screens, cameras and GUI on their phones. They want the phones small and reliable. Having an iPhone and a Carputer may be overkill. But having a Carputer and a simple phone makes financial as well as. Do I really need a GPS in my phone? If I don't mind carrying around a larger screen.



    A Carputer is indeed redundant if you have a mobile computer aka smartphone. Thus a Carputer has to be part Nav ..part communcation center part media center. I used to think that having DVDs pumped into a LCD for the kids was silly until some parents told me their children were much more tolerable on longer trips.



    I like the concept of a carputer because it offers more space (6" plus screens) and more room for components and more power since I don't have to worry about batteries. Hell If I'm going to pay $1700 for a Nav system I may as well demand that they give me enough bells and whistles.
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