Holy carbs! Only took a few lines to go off into a rathole about dismounting disks... AppleInsider, I hardly knew ye.
In the process of doing a 10.4.9 clean install, I've had enough with this shit. This is worst OS X update I've seen as far as I'm concerned. I was always the one who wondered; why are you guys having issues it just works for me, well not this time. Clean install here I come. I may even try installing that other cat and give it a go
What's badly designed is that it doesn't work, much of the time. Sometimes it will just sit there and fail to unmount. Other times you'll get the dreaded "this volume is in use" message, which often means the Finder or some other aspect of the operating system is still using it somehow, thus you have no way either of discovering what the problem is or rectifying it (I've seen cases where even lsof is of no help). Of course, even when it is something fixable (such as having a file open in some gui application), it's not necessarily obvious to the user, and the OS provides no additional info to help track down the problem. This is extremely, extremely irritating, and one of the things that Windows frankly does better. Also, there is no known method of software "force eject" for when nothing else will work Only restarting the computer will do in that instance.
Fair enough on every count except for the "Windows frankly does better." Unless Vista is different in this respect, I'm pretty sure the message in Windows is just a generic, "this volume is in use" that does not point out what application is using it. I agree it's frustrating though, if you have a lot of apps open at once to have to try and figure out which one might be using the disk in question.
Fuck man peoples don't hijack this thread. If you got issues with someone's sig PM them and take it to AppleOutsider. Or in relation to OS 10.4.10 go to the relevant threads.
I got my violence in high def ultra-realism. [on a new iMac1080P]
All a part of this great nation.
I got my fist I got my plan I got survivalism.
Nice. The only worthwhile off-topic post in this thread.
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Originally Posted by Louzer
No. All it does it confirm that, perhaps, Apple is possibly working on iMac updates and someone in the development process shoved the display information into the current OS, as they're thinking ahead. But it isn't proof that they will appear before Leopard, as they may get delayed by other potential issues.
Keep in mind, I believe this is the same type of information gleaned from OS X that was proof of the imminent delivery of the PowerBook G5!
Fair enough. The iMac is deadly due for an update though, it will hit 1 year old in September or so. In this case even minor bumps are very likely, and the roadmap is very clear (2GB, SantaRosa elements, nVidia 8-series...)
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Originally Posted by cirby
It seems a little odd that Apple doesn't have a "new" desktop in place for the iPhone launch. When you have the most talked-about product in recent history coming, it would make sense to have a redesigned new iMac handy to upsell to "go with" the phone. They updated the MacBooks, but not everyone is in the market for a laptop. With the video features of the iPhone, it would also make sense to have a video-pumped and style-refreshed new Mac to match it with (in a marketing sense).
On the other hand, with everyone so consumed by iPhone fever, maybe the new Macs could be out on Tuesday (to give the stores time to get them prepped and ready for the iPhone launch). Since everyone seems to be looking one direction, it should be easy enough for Apple to slip in a new iMac under the radar.
At worst, it seems I'll only have to wait a couple of weeks after getting the phone, but still...
Very interesting. The only thing we know is that outside of June29th and the onset of Leopard October and HolidayBuyingFrenzy December, is where we will see new iMacs and new iPods.
I do not think iMacs would come out next Tuesday, though as you mention this will cash in on iPhone hype. If not next Tuesday, August 2007 is probably latest for iMacs, since anything in September is "no-mans-land", since Leopard is just out in October. Unless new iMacs released in September and free upgrade to Leopard. But this would mean that they would have to free-upgrade every single new Mac bought in September. Unlikely.
So timeline looks to be 2-5 weeks after iPhone launch, new iMacs (July to mid-August), November for new iPods. So we have
June/July iPhone massive
August iMac round-out
September Leopard hype-building
October Leopard
November new iPods
December GO FRICKIN NUTSSSSS!!! arhgjkdhskhgjhhgjll
Fuck man peoples don't hijack this thread. If you got issues with someone's sig PM them and take it to AppleOutsider. Or in relation to OS 10.4.10 go to the relevant threads.
Here by popular demand, a whole thread dedicated to my signature. Now those who dare question my opinions can pepper me with questions and/or insults at will and be struck down by my righteous correctness!
And hey, this thread is kind of about 10.4.10. bada-dada-bing!
Fair enough on every count except for the "Windows frankly does better." Unless Vista is different in this respect, I'm pretty sure the message in Windows is just a generic, "this volume is in use" that does not point out what application is using it. I agree it's frustrating though, if you have a lot of apps open at once to have to try and figure out which one might be using the disk in question.
I've noticed SP2 is more concerned than SP1 about volumes being in use. My laptop is still SP1, and I rarely get any sort of message when trying to unmount. And in any event, I can still force eject. I'm not referring to USB drives though which can be easily removed physically -- I'm talking CDs, DVDs, network mounts, disk images, that sort of thing. There is literally no way to eject an internal disc in OS X without going through the software. PCs don't have that problem, because they don't demand total software control over the drive mechanism (an idea which may sound good conceptually, but is boneheaded in practice). The eject key on Mac keyboards may be a convenience when it works, but is virtually useless if you need a hardware override, which it isn't. With a network mount, killing your network access either through System Preferences or unplugging the cable will usually do the trick, but that's not always an option and noone should have to do that. Again, not a problem for PCs, because network shares aren't "mounted" at all. And then there's the whole conceptual weirdness of 'dragging to the trash = eject', which is not such a big deal, but not necessarily the best design choice.
hmm... I think they were this same price at least as early as March 26, cause I have an email I sent to a friend who was asking about them on that date, and I have that price listed.
i think there will be a new iMac soon. this is actually the first time i have had a computer that i dont want a new one. i love my 24 inch iMac. they can bring on a new one for all i care. i absolutely love this thing. Cant wait for Leopard.
hmm... I think they were this same price at least as early as March 26, cause I have an email I sent to a friend who was asking about them on that date, and I have that price listed.
So it appears not nearly as interesting as I thought...Darn...
Going to buy my first Mac in Nov after it comes with Leopard pre-installed. Be interested to see what the new iMacs are as it seems a poorly kept secret they are coming but, still need to wait and see what they will be like...
Comments
Was it you?
Maybe they didn't know how to credit him/her since it was from an email - you wouldn't want to put their email address in the article.
Nope, wasn't me.
Yo, bogg is gonna be famous. And mr. spam just got left behind
No, still wasn't me.
Yes, lest we send some anonymous nerd to bed in tears for not getting their proper recognition.
'twasn't me, honest!
Holy carbs! Only took a few lines to go off into a rathole about dismounting disks... AppleInsider, I hardly knew ye.
In the process of doing a 10.4.9 clean install, I've had enough with this shit. This is worst OS X update I've seen as far as I'm concerned. I was always the one who wondered; why are you guys having issues it just works for me, well not this time. Clean install here I come. I may even try installing that other cat and give it a go
What's badly designed is that it doesn't work, much of the time. Sometimes it will just sit there and fail to unmount. Other times you'll get the dreaded "this volume is in use" message, which often means the Finder or some other aspect of the operating system is still using it somehow, thus you have no way either of discovering what the problem is or rectifying it (I've seen cases where even lsof is of no help). Of course, even when it is something fixable (such as having a file open in some gui application), it's not necessarily obvious to the user, and the OS provides no additional info to help track down the problem. This is extremely, extremely irritating, and one of the things that Windows frankly does better. Also, there is no known method of software "force eject" for when nothing else will work Only restarting the computer will do in that instance.
Fair enough on every count except for the "Windows frankly does better." Unless Vista is different in this respect, I'm pretty sure the message in Windows is just a generic, "this volume is in use" that does not point out what application is using it. I agree it's frustrating though, if you have a lot of apps open at once to have to try and figure out which one might be using the disk in question.
Nope, wasn't me.
No, still wasn't me.
'twasn't me, honest!
I got my propaganda i got revisionism.
I got my violence in high def ultra-realism. [on a new iMac1080P]
All a part of this great nation.
I got my fist I got my plan I got survivalism.
Nice. The only worthwhile off-topic post in this thread.
No. All it does it confirm that, perhaps, Apple is possibly working on iMac updates and someone in the development process shoved the display information into the current OS, as they're thinking ahead. But it isn't proof that they will appear before Leopard, as they may get delayed by other potential issues.
Keep in mind, I believe this is the same type of information gleaned from OS X that was proof of the imminent delivery of the PowerBook G5!
Fair enough. The iMac is deadly due for an update though, it will hit 1 year old in September or so. In this case even minor bumps are very likely, and the roadmap is very clear (2GB, SantaRosa elements, nVidia 8-series...)
It seems a little odd that Apple doesn't have a "new" desktop in place for the iPhone launch. When you have the most talked-about product in recent history coming, it would make sense to have a redesigned new iMac handy to upsell to "go with" the phone. They updated the MacBooks, but not everyone is in the market for a laptop. With the video features of the iPhone, it would also make sense to have a video-pumped and style-refreshed new Mac to match it with (in a marketing sense).
On the other hand, with everyone so consumed by iPhone fever, maybe the new Macs could be out on Tuesday (to give the stores time to get them prepped and ready for the iPhone launch). Since everyone seems to be looking one direction, it should be easy enough for Apple to slip in a new iMac under the radar.
At worst, it seems I'll only have to wait a couple of weeks after getting the phone, but still...
Very interesting. The only thing we know is that outside of June29th and the onset of Leopard October and HolidayBuyingFrenzy December, is where we will see new iMacs and new iPods.
I do not think iMacs would come out next Tuesday, though as you mention this will cash in on iPhone hype. If not next Tuesday, August 2007 is probably latest for iMacs, since anything in September is "no-mans-land", since Leopard is just out in October. Unless new iMacs released in September and free upgrade to Leopard. But this would mean that they would have to free-upgrade every single new Mac bought in September. Unlikely.
So timeline looks to be 2-5 weeks after iPhone launch, new iMacs (July to mid-August), November for new iPods. So we have
June/July iPhone massive
August iMac round-out
September Leopard hype-building
October Leopard
November new iPods
December GO FRICKIN NUTSSSSS!!! arhgjkdhskhgjhhgjll
Fuck man peoples don't hijack this thread. If you got issues with someone's sig PM them and take it to AppleOutsider. Or in relation to OS 10.4.10 go to the relevant threads.
Here by popular demand, a whole thread dedicated to my signature. Now those who dare question my opinions can pepper me with questions and/or insults at will and be struck down by my righteous correctness!
And hey, this thread is kind of about 10.4.10. bada-dada-bing!
I got my propaganda i got revisionism.
I got my violence in high def ultra-realism. [on a new iMac1080P]
All a part of this great nation.
I got my fist I got my plan I got survivalism.
i love nin, and i dug Year Zero btu that is the worst song off that album
Fair enough on every count except for the "Windows frankly does better." Unless Vista is different in this respect, I'm pretty sure the message in Windows is just a generic, "this volume is in use" that does not point out what application is using it. I agree it's frustrating though, if you have a lot of apps open at once to have to try and figure out which one might be using the disk in question.
I've noticed SP2 is more concerned than SP1 about volumes being in use. My laptop is still SP1, and I rarely get any sort of message when trying to unmount. And in any event, I can still force eject. I'm not referring to USB drives though which can be easily removed physically -- I'm talking CDs, DVDs, network mounts, disk images, that sort of thing. There is literally no way to eject an internal disc in OS X without going through the software. PCs don't have that problem, because they don't demand total software control over the drive mechanism (an idea which may sound good conceptually, but is boneheaded in practice). The eject key on Mac keyboards may be a convenience when it works, but is virtually useless if you need a hardware override, which it isn't. With a network mount, killing your network access either through System Preferences or unplugging the cable will usually do the trick, but that's not always an option and noone should have to do that. Again, not a problem for PCs, because network shares aren't "mounted" at all. And then there's the whole conceptual weirdness of 'dragging to the trash = eject', which is not such a big deal, but not necessarily the best design choice.
They're the same price on apple.com too.
hmm... I think they were this same price at least as early as March 26, cause I have an email I sent to a friend who was asking about them on that date, and I have that price listed.
hmm... I think they were this same price at least as early as March 26, cause I have an email I sent to a friend who was asking about them on that date, and I have that price listed.
So it appears not nearly as interesting as I thought...Darn...
Going to buy my first Mac in Nov after it comes with Leopard pre-installed. Be interested to see what the new iMacs are as it seems a poorly kept secret they are coming but, still need to wait and see what they will be like...