Anyway, I did this once years ago with my Sprint phone. Talk about a nightmare. I'd rather spend the time in the store as I know the phone will be online before I leave the store. Still, this should keep the lines moving quickly this Friday.
Try watching the video dude. It doesn't look any harder than installing iTunes the first time.
Free nationwide long distance is pretty much a given for cell phones anymore.
I HATE CANADA'S TELECOM MARKET.
Whew. Sorry. But Rogers is $100 for 100MB of data. There are no unlimited data plans full stop, there doesn't seem to be unlimited voice plans either (or unlimited text plans)?I could be wrong, I didn't go hunting too hard. Long distance minutes are separate and expensive as well.
I'm going to go off and cry at how hard Canadians get screwed by our telecoms.
Free nationwide long distance is pretty much a given for cell phones anymore.
What about Roaming? Is it free long-distance - Free Roaming? Do you have an AT&T plan now? Does Anyone? I was looking at another basic plan on AT&T's site, and it has long-distance, and Roaming costs both listed as $0.00
I wasn't sure if that meant it didn't cost or it doesn't cost until you use it. KInd of Bait, and switch. I'm naturally paranoid.
Today, when I was at the Apple Store, a group of about 4 employees were gathered around looking at the website with the iPhone rate plans, etc. when one of them discovered that the phone would be locked - iPod included - if it was not activated with an AT&T plan. They were all visibly annoyed and continued to grumble about it for the duration of my visit - 10 minutes more or so...
Me, I'm going to get the iPhone as a gift, but for myself, I'm waiting for the iPod with WiFi and multitouch. I don't need a phone that's bigger than my hand.
What about Roaming? Is it free long-distance - Free Roaming? Do you have an AT&T plan now? Does Anyone? I was looking at another basic plan on AT&T's site, and it has long-distance, and Roaming costs both listed as $0.00
I wasn't sure if that meant it didn't cost or it doesn't cost until you use it. KInd of Bait, and switch. I'm naturally paranoid.
I have ATT.
These days the premium for a phone plan that eliminates any roaming and any long distance is pretty much nil. I'm sure these iPhone plans are national (AKA no roaming) plans and I don't know of any plans that charge long distance anymore. The bottom line is that the iPhone users who use plans listed today most certainly won't ever see a roaming or long distance charge on plans.
Here's an unrelated observation.
Why did the press today make such a big plan about how the cheapest plan for the iPhone would be $60, suggesting that it was high? I don't think I saw a single article emphasizing the fact that the comparison was to other voice+data plans, and that the iPhone plans were cheaper than anything on the market pretty much. What's the deal? iPhone went from media darling to devil once they announced the plans!
Here in Finland we'd pay 30?, about $40, for a plan comparable to the low-end iPhone plan, with 500 minutes, 100 SMS and unlimited 3G/EDGE/GPRS data at 128kbps maximum. The $40 includes 22% VAT, dunno how much tax is in the US iPhone payment.
On our scale, $60 for the aforementioned sounds quite steep, but judging from the iPhone contract cancellation fee and the two-year contract, there's about $7 worth of phone hardware in each monthly payment so the cost of the calling plan works out to $53. That's quite close.
I don't pay a monthly fee, just a flat 7¢ a minute and 7¢ a SMS. I tend to have about 200 mins a month and a handful of SMS a week, which works out to slightly below the price of the minute package. I like this setup as it does not create an incentive to talk or SMS either more or less than how much I actually want.
Interesting: "Also of note is the apparent lack of SIM card slot; while this could be down to preproduction models being taken as gospel, the expected slot on top of the handset is missing."
Interesting: "Also of note is the apparent lack of SIM card slot; while this could be down to preproduction models being taken as gospel, the expected slot on top of the handset is missing."
The iPhone has a freakin' 'SIM tray' ... the damned thing is removable.
Despite saying that, I'm certain that the question will be asked countless additional times.
Then there are 2 other questions:
1) Can the SIM card from the iPhone be used in other AT&T phones? For example, if you are replacing your iPhone, can you take the card from the iPhone and stick it in the new phone without having to go through an activation process like Sprint and Verizon?
2) Can the iPhone use a SIM card from another AT&T phone? If I am already an AT&T customer, can I just take the SIM card from my current phone, stick it in the iPhone and have it start working right away without having to give Apple my credit card number and sign up for an iTunes store account?
Ill be getting the "special" service plan. Its consists of a person with a wifi enabled backpack following me around to give me unlimited wifi internet.
They will also have to have a portable cell tower they carry around with them, I was thinking around 15 feet high.
Wow.. just realized that the data prices have really come down in Finland.
You get 3G/GPRS/EDGE data, max 128kbps, at 10?/month. Combined with a contract with no monthly payment, that's a rather powerful dedicated data channel and it's 120?/year.
If you did a limited amount of IMAP e-mail, instant messaging, web surfing and terminal work, that could possibly be done on a 25MB/month package which is 4?/month and 48?/year.
For special projects such as a measuring station or security system that need to send a limited amount of data now and then, or just be reachable, you could go with zero monthly, 1.5?/1MB pure data pricing, potentially pay just a handful of euros a year and still have the luxury of 24/7 connection and availability.
I thought my new Macbook was enough in every way for the next few years, but the lack of internal 3G modem and no expansion slot to add one is starting to look bad. It's starting to look like a no brainer to be connected 24/7.
1) Can the SIM card from the iPhone be used in other AT&T phones? For example, if you are replacing your iPhone, can you take the card from the iPhone and stick it in the new phone without having to go through an activation process like Sprint and Verizon?
2) Can the iPhone use a SIM card from another AT&T phone? If I am already an AT&T customer, can I just take the SIM card from my current phone, stick it in the iPhone and have it start working right away without having to give Apple my credit card number and sign up for an iTunes store account?
Probably not, but I haven't seen anything written about it yet.
AAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHH. Stop it. Really. I mean it. See that bit with the hole in one end ... on the top of the iPhone? That's the damned SIM slot. Walt & Katie were complaining that the phone wouldn't accept a T-Mobile SIM and not that it didn't have a slot for a SIM.
FAKE!!!! FAKE!!!! FAKE!!!!
You're Photoshop skills leave A_L_O_T to be desired...
1) Can the SIM card from the iPhone be used in other AT&T phones? For example, if you are replacing your iPhone, can you take the card from the iPhone and stick it in the new phone without having to go through an activation process like Sprint and Verizon?
2) Can the iPhone use a SIM card from another AT&T phone? If I am already an AT&T customer, can I just take the SIM card from my current phone, stick it in the iPhone and have it start working right away without having to give Apple my credit card number and sign up for an iTunes store account?
1) at&t has already said that the iPhone SIM will be specially provisioned (set up and identified in at&t's system) so that it *will not* allow you to use the iPhone data plan on *any other* phone on the at&t network. Your voice plan, however, will work on another phone.
2) You can put a T-Mobile SIM card (or any other SIM card for that matter) in the iPhone, however since the iPhone is *SIM-locked* (as most contract GSM phones from at&t and T-Mobile are), it can't *use* that card for service.
Why? You were right. I was wrong. My apologies to all.
(Incidently, I now understand that the SIM card is in the middle at the top of the iPhone and can be removed using a paper clip. As well, I learned a lot about the SIM lock from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIM_lock
Holy shit those are really impressive rates! I already pay close to that in Canada and get next to nothing. No wonder why rogers can't reach a deal with apple.
Hmm, i do not agree with you that the rates are impressive. Here in Finland you can use the EDGE/3G-networks as much as you like for 10?/month. Unlimited surfing that is. Dunno how much you are prepared to pay, but that's like 6x the price we pay here. :P I hope the phone will be unlocked here in europe, because those prices aren't that good at least not here.
My bills will stay @ something between 20-30?/month. The montly fee you have to pay is 0.66?. Calls are 0.69?/min and sms-messages, 0.69?/message.
Finally I could add one more thing. :P It is possible here to use the old NMT-network for mobile broadband. (Smartphones) 2Mbps is 29.90?/month. Compare that to the prices you seem to have in the US and Canada.
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Anyway, I did this once years ago with my Sprint phone. Talk about a nightmare. I'd rather spend the time in the store as I know the phone will be online before I leave the store. Still, this should keep the lines moving quickly this Friday.
Try watching the video dude. It doesn't look any harder than installing iTunes the first time.
http://www.apple.com/iphone/usingiphone/activation.html
Free nationwide long distance is pretty much a given for cell phones anymore.
I HATE CANADA'S TELECOM MARKET.
Whew. Sorry. But Rogers is $100 for 100MB of data. There are no unlimited data plans full stop, there doesn't seem to be unlimited voice plans either (or unlimited text plans)?I could be wrong, I didn't go hunting too hard. Long distance minutes are separate and expensive as well.
I'm going to go off and cry at how hard Canadians get screwed by our telecoms.
Free nationwide long distance is pretty much a given for cell phones anymore.
What about Roaming? Is it free long-distance - Free Roaming? Do you have an AT&T plan now? Does Anyone? I was looking at another basic plan on AT&T's site, and it has long-distance, and Roaming costs both listed as $0.00
I wasn't sure if that meant it didn't cost or it doesn't cost until you use it. KInd of Bait, and switch. I'm naturally paranoid.
Can someone define Unlimited Mobile to Mobile? I'm assuming it means both partiesmust be on Cingular/AT&T?
You've got it. They claim 62 million AT&T users -
Me, I'm going to get the iPhone as a gift, but for myself, I'm waiting for the iPod with WiFi and multitouch. I don't need a phone that's bigger than my hand.
What about Roaming? Is it free long-distance - Free Roaming? Do you have an AT&T plan now? Does Anyone? I was looking at another basic plan on AT&T's site, and it has long-distance, and Roaming costs both listed as $0.00
I wasn't sure if that meant it didn't cost or it doesn't cost until you use it. KInd of Bait, and switch. I'm naturally paranoid.
I have ATT.
These days the premium for a phone plan that eliminates any roaming and any long distance is pretty much nil. I'm sure these iPhone plans are national (AKA no roaming) plans and I don't know of any plans that charge long distance anymore. The bottom line is that the iPhone users who use plans listed today most certainly won't ever see a roaming or long distance charge on plans.
Here's an unrelated observation.
Why did the press today make such a big plan about how the cheapest plan for the iPhone would be $60, suggesting that it was high? I don't think I saw a single article emphasizing the fact that the comparison was to other voice+data plans, and that the iPhone plans were cheaper than anything on the market pretty much. What's the deal? iPhone went from media darling to devil once they announced the plans!
On our scale, $60 for the aforementioned sounds quite steep, but judging from the iPhone contract cancellation fee and the two-year contract, there's about $7 worth of phone hardware in each monthly payment so the cost of the calling plan works out to $53. That's quite close.
I don't pay a monthly fee, just a flat 7¢ a minute and 7¢ a SMS. I tend to have about 200 mins a month and a handful of SMS a week, which works out to slightly below the price of the minute package. I like this setup as it does not create an incentive to talk or SMS either more or less than how much I actually want.
PDF viewer support (not sure if it has it)
At $99.99 a month, they could give you unlimited text messaging for crying out loud
No java support at the time being (probably a good thing since AT&T's network is so slow.
I give up...
Interesting: "Also of note is the apparent lack of SIM card slot; while this could be down to preproduction models being taken as gospel, the expected slot on top of the handset is missing."
vhttp://www.slashgear.com/more-iphone-news-no-sim-slot-045562.php
"Downsides noted by Walt and Katie: No SIM card (which means you can't use it on T-Mobile and can't buy cheap voice minutes or data when you're overseas" http://blogs.pcworld.com/techlog/archives/004739.html
Interesting: "Also of note is the apparent lack of SIM card slot; while this could be down to preproduction models being taken as gospel, the expected slot on top of the handset is missing."
vhttp://www.slashgear.com/more-iphone-news-no-sim-slot-045562.php
"Downsides noted by Walt and Katie: No SIM card (which means you can't use it on T-Mobile and can't buy cheap voice minutes or data when you're overseas" http://blogs.pcworld.com/techlog/archives/004739.html
AAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHH.
Stop it. Really. I mean it.
See that bit with the hole in one end ... on the top of the iPhone?
That's the damned SIM slot.
Walt & Katie were complaining that the phone wouldn't accept a T-Mobile SIM and not that it didn't have a slot for a SIM.
The iPhone has a freakin' 'SIM tray' ... the damned thing is removable.
Despite saying that, I'm certain that the question will be asked countless additional times.
Then there are 2 other questions:
1) Can the SIM card from the iPhone be used in other AT&T phones? For example, if you are replacing your iPhone, can you take the card from the iPhone and stick it in the new phone without having to go through an activation process like Sprint and Verizon?
2) Can the iPhone use a SIM card from another AT&T phone? If I am already an AT&T customer, can I just take the SIM card from my current phone, stick it in the iPhone and have it start working right away without having to give Apple my credit card number and sign up for an iTunes store account?
They will also have to have a portable cell tower they carry around with them, I was thinking around 15 feet high.
You get 3G/GPRS/EDGE data, max 128kbps, at 10?/month. Combined with a contract with no monthly payment, that's a rather powerful dedicated data channel and it's 120?/year.
If you did a limited amount of IMAP e-mail, instant messaging, web surfing and terminal work, that could possibly be done on a 25MB/month package which is 4?/month and 48?/year.
For special projects such as a measuring station or security system that need to send a limited amount of data now and then, or just be reachable, you could go with zero monthly, 1.5?/1MB pure data pricing, potentially pay just a handful of euros a year and still have the luxury of 24/7 connection and availability.
I thought my new Macbook was enough in every way for the next few years, but the lack of internal 3G modem and no expansion slot to add one is starting to look bad. It's starting to look like a no brainer to be connected 24/7.
AAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHH.
Stop it. Really. I mean it.
See that bit with the hole in one end ... on the top of the iPhone?
Walt & Katie were complaining that the phone wouldn't accept a T-Mobile SIM and not that it didn't have a slot for a SIM.
Oh good! I was going to do that.
Then there are 2 other questions:
1) Can the SIM card from the iPhone be used in other AT&T phones? For example, if you are replacing your iPhone, can you take the card from the iPhone and stick it in the new phone without having to go through an activation process like Sprint and Verizon?
2) Can the iPhone use a SIM card from another AT&T phone? If I am already an AT&T customer, can I just take the SIM card from my current phone, stick it in the iPhone and have it start working right away without having to give Apple my credit card number and sign up for an iTunes store account?
Probably not, but I haven't seen anything written about it yet.
Guess I don't like salespeople who are trained to sell, sell, sell. It's not their fault they can't answer all questions.
It is my fault if I goof at home.
AAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHH. Stop it. Really. I mean it. See that bit with the hole in one end ... on the top of the iPhone? That's the damned SIM slot. Walt & Katie were complaining that the phone wouldn't accept a T-Mobile SIM and not that it didn't have a slot for a SIM.
FAKE!!!! FAKE!!!! FAKE!!!!
You're Photoshop skills leave A_L_O_T to be desired...
Then there are 2 other questions:
1) Can the SIM card from the iPhone be used in other AT&T phones? For example, if you are replacing your iPhone, can you take the card from the iPhone and stick it in the new phone without having to go through an activation process like Sprint and Verizon?
2) Can the iPhone use a SIM card from another AT&T phone? If I am already an AT&T customer, can I just take the SIM card from my current phone, stick it in the iPhone and have it start working right away without having to give Apple my credit card number and sign up for an iTunes store account?
1) at&t has already said that the iPhone SIM will be specially provisioned (set up and identified in at&t's system) so that it *will not* allow you to use the iPhone data plan on *any other* phone on the at&t network. Your voice plan, however, will work on another phone.
2) You can put a T-Mobile SIM card (or any other SIM card for that matter) in the iPhone, however since the iPhone is *SIM-locked* (as most contract GSM phones from at&t and T-Mobile are), it can't *use* that card for service.
I give up...
Why? You were right. I was wrong. My apologies to all.
(Incidently, I now understand that the SIM card is in the middle at the top of the iPhone and can be removed using a paper clip. As well, I learned a lot about the SIM lock from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIM_lock
Holy shit those are really impressive rates! I already pay close to that in Canada and get next to nothing. No wonder why rogers can't reach a deal with apple.
Hmm, i do not agree with you that the rates are impressive.
My bills will stay @ something between 20-30?/month. The montly fee you have to pay is 0.66?. Calls are 0.69?/min and sms-messages, 0.69?/message.
Finally I could add one more thing. :P It is possible here to use the old NMT-network for mobile broadband. (Smartphones) 2Mbps is 29.90?/month. Compare that to the prices you seem to have in the US and Canada.