There's a whole heap of difference between a virus and a security vulnerability though, especially one that's transferred via Bluetooth.
The interesting thing in that Reg report though is that the apps run as root. That strikes me as dangerous and it's no wonder Apple don't want 3rd party developers if that's how apps run.
Actualyl viruses can come in the form of even installing themes and applications.
As for bluetooth though are you seriously telling me you would rather having bluetooth locked down and waive the ability to send something to a friend?
Actualyl viruses can come in the form of even installing themes and applications.
No, they can't.
1) you can't install themes and applications on the iPhone
2) That would be a trojan
3) It's been locked down on most phone operating systems for a few years now as they all use signed executables now which refuse to run if the cert fails. Apple's iPhone version of OSX is locked down to signed executables only.
Im curious as to why iphone fans try to fight of its shortcomings as if they are not imortant.
I never save pictures from iphone's web browser.
* I never send pictures to anyone over bluetooth.
* I never send MMS to anyone.
* I never copy paste text in a phone.
* I don't need open platform, as i never install 3rd party apps.
* I don't play games on phone.
* I never use mp3 songs as rintones, but i do linsten to mp3 songs on phone.
* I don't need flash/java on a phone.
* I don't want tvout, even though i have enough capacity to put movies in my phone.
* I don't need that feature which its not on "The iPhone".
* I don't need all these features, but sincerely hope that in future it'll be added to my phone via updates.
LOL Heres what I think
....that maybe another reason why the iPhone is selling is because of 'national pride'. The US, ever since a long long time ago, have largely been ignored by foreign phonemakers. Like how many times did we see Nokia, SE, Samsung, and LG release a kick@ss phone in other countries (in Asia and Europe) and NOT release it in the US?? Too many times. How many times do we see Nokia and SE making phones that are triband but without 850mhz? Again, too many times.
The US have always been LATE when it comes to high-tech gadgetry - especially cellphones. It's usually out already by 3 weeks to 2 months , at the shortest, before it's released in US shores. That's why when the Razr was announced and released - it sold by the millions!
Same thing now with the iPhone. The US, again, has something that the rest of the world does not have (yet). Even if it's a closed phone, even if it lacks the key features of a smartphone, even if it's way too expensive for what it can do... all that doesn't matter, the US will still love it and buy it. Because, for the first time in history, they have something NEW - and they have bragging rights to the rest of the world.
Example of a conversation:
jane: (who owns a Nokia or an SE) Hi john, I see you bought an iPhone, may I ask why?
john: Yup, I did. Why, because it's hot.
jane: But it has no 3G.
john: I dont need 3G anyway Im always near a wifi hotspot.
jane: It also doesn't have video recording.
john: I dont need it anyway - I'll just use my camcorder when I need to shoot video.
jane: The camera has no flash, zoom, editor, and all the other things.
john: I'll just avoid dark situations or I'll my digicam.
jane: But its bluetooth is crippled.
john: I dont have that many friends to share bluetooth with anyhow. If I want to send photos - I'll just email it to them. Having crippled bluetooth means Im safe from bluetooth viruses.
jane: Doesn't it bother that you cant change the battery yourself? That you have to pay someone to do it for you?
john: By the time the battery needs changing I would've alloted some money for that already.
jane: Arent you irritated that you cant use your mp3 as ringtones?
john: Yes, but it does have a nice menu.
... you get where this conversation is going? Hehehe.
The US have always been LATE when it comes to high-tech gadgetry - especially cellphones.
Just Apple, Inc. itself is proof enough that this claim is bogus. And now even the cell phone part of it, which previously I would agree with, is no longer true.
Most of your other points have already been addressed as to why Apple might have decided not to include those features. And most not in the way you've implied.
Why do iPhone users defend the iPhone? Because it's ridiculously hot and they don't want others to be fooled by some feature list and miss the whole point of the device. Same way mac users defended macs for years against pc users with higher clocked processors.
All your points of contention except for 3G are all kiddie based. Everyone at my work who purchased an iPhone doesn't give a FLYING FIST FUCK about video recording, a fancy camera, transferring files via BT (WTF?), changing the mother fucking battery, and shitty ringtones from your music library?!? Do you listen to yourself?
All your points of contention except for 3G are all kiddie based. Everyone at my work who purchased an iPhone doesn't give a FLYING FIST FUCK about video recording, a fancy camera, transferring files via BT (WTF?), changing the mother fucking battery, and shitty ringtones from your music library?!? Do you listen to yourself?
lol Thats why you guys are so behind in the phone market normally. Video recording and good quality pics are important to almost every phone user now in Europe andthis is why you see some phones now recording at 30fps in as high resultion as VGA.
As for 3G well I know 3G hasnt really taken of in the states yet but weve gone past that. Now everybody wants HSDPA and most networks will have full scale roll out of this by the end of this year.
Bluetooth has always been a big thing and very popular. Being able to send a mate a video or picture they took. Yeah you can email it but BT is a gift of a feature.
Im not to fussed about the ringtones I was just illustrating that as a point I use normal ring tones.
By the way I have a mac aswell no its not like im PC Nokia pro only hehe
I think the difference is that because the American market is so behind in phone features Apple could get away with the current feature set in the iphone even with the rumored updates.
If that were released as it is in the UK it wouldnt do that well becasue OS/Interface aside its specs are like 3 years old and the novelty of a user interface no matter how nice will eventually wear of.
I guess were just too ahead of you guys lol Sorry but thats the gospel truth.
And outsider you should really take into consideration that minors may be browsing this forum so you shouldnt really run your mouth with language like that. Id be quite happy to reply in the same manner but I have more manners than that.
Oh yeah for video one more thing. Dont you think its slightly hypocritical and cheeky of Apple to boast the whole youtube thing but the phone cant even take video itself to upload to youtube lol
I mean come on even the shittest Nokias take VGA video haha
I guess were just too ahead of you guys lol Sorry but thats the gospel truth.
This is the part that I just DON'T GET...
I'm not talking about the iPhone but in more general terms.... Do we not get cell phones from the SAME MANUFACTURERS as the rest of the world?!?! Nokia, Motorola, Sharp, etc... I have to assume yes... so then WHAT is the reason we poor and suffering Americans are SOOOOO behind?!?! Are those companies purposely NOT allowing the phones into the US and if so then they MUST have a reason... A reason that I'm totally missing... Can someone enlighten?!?!
Also why am I ALWAYS given the impression that 'EVERYWHERE BUT THE US' you can get 'THE HOTTEST' ... 'THE LATEST' ... 'THE COOLEST' new cell phone for little or no money... and we POOR americans have to pay the VERY TOP DOLLAR... I mean I realize that IS NOT TRUE... it is people just talking trash artificially inflating their ego?
lol Thats why you guys are so behind in the phone market normally. Video recording and good quality pics are important to almost every phone user now in Europe andthis is why you see some phones now recording at 30fps in as high resultion as VGA.
As for 3G well I know 3G hasnt really taken of in the states yet but weve gone past that. Now everybody wants HSDPA and most networks will have full scale roll out of this by the end of this year.
Bluetooth has always been a big thing and very popular. Being able to send a mate a video or picture they took. Yeah you can email it but BT is a gift of a feature.
Im not to fussed about the ringtones I was just illustrating that as a point I use normal ring tones.
By the way I have a mac aswell no its not like im PC Nokia pro only hehe
I think the difference is that because the American market is so behind in phone features Apple could get away with the current feature set in the iphone even with the rumored updates.
If that were released as it is in the UK it wouldnt do that well becasue OS/Interface aside its specs are like 3 years old and the novelty of a user interface no matter how nice will eventually wear of.
I guess were just too ahead of you guys lol Sorry but thats the gospel truth.
And outsider you should really take into consideration that minors may be browsing this forum so you shouldnt really run your mouth with language like that. Id be quite happy to reply in the same manner but I have more manners than that.
Sending video over bluetooth? now I know you don't have a clue. Do you know how long that takes? Even pics can be killer.
I need to stop feeding this troll..... must resist....
I'm not talking about the iPhone but in more general terms.... Do we not get cell phones from the SAME MANUFACTURERS as the rest of the world?!?! Nokia, Motorola, Sharp, etc... I have to assume yes... so then WHAT is the reason we poor and suffering Americans are SOOOOO behind?!?! Are those companies purposely NOT allowing the phones into the US and if so then they MUST have a reason... A reason that I'm totally missing... Can someone enlighten?!?!
Also why am I ALWAYS given the impression that 'EVERYWHERE BUT THE US' you can get 'THE HOTTEST' ... 'THE LATEST' ... 'THE COOLEST' new cell phone for little or no money... and we POOR americans have to pay the VERY TOP DOLLAR... I mean I realize that IS NOT TRUE... it is people just talking trash artificially inflating their ego?
Dave
Well 1 example is that the 2mp camera in the iphone represents the fact that most phones over there are 1.3mp. There isnt not as much emphasis on imaging.
Also video. Where as its more or less unheard of from people on here, over in Europe we like VGA 30fps that we can upload to youtube.
We like HSDPA, where as GSM is the standard in the states. I really dont know why they arrive later in the states. I think its just that there isnt a demand for all these individual features as much as over in Europe.
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Originally Posted by meelash
Sending video over bluetooth? now I know you don't have a clue. Do you know how long that takes? Even pics can be killer.
I need to stop feeding this troll..... must resist....
lol I think its you who needs to get a clue as this concept it seems foreign to you. 9Oh and pics are a killer? (ps 3.2mp pics take a few seconds at most) And the videos we send are little funny encoded clips ussualy ripped of youtube which maybe take up to 1 minute or less. Did you think i meant movies ? lol I bet you did didnt you.
Bluetoothing stuff over to friends has been common for oh maybe the last 5 or 6 years now. And you say you havent heard of it? Well that right there alone is another example of how behind you guys are in making use of these features. No wonder your all so happy with the iphone lol
Does is annoy you that the EU version will be better than the US version?
If that were released as it is in the UK it wouldnt do that well becasue OS/Interface aside its specs are like 3 years old and the novelty of a user interface no matter how nice will eventually wear of.
The iPhone's UI is anovelty, like a sparkler or some party favor? And here I thought it set the bar for what a cell phone interface should be and will be in the future. I guess all these companies that are trying to copy it are just on the novelty bandwagon. I guess someone should tell them that an easy to use, intuitive interface is just a passing fad.
I'm not aware of the EU's cell phones but I, being a stupid American, was not aware that all the EU phones had WiFi, 160ppi displays with multitouch, Visual Voicemail, >600MHz CPUs, 128MB RAM and multiple GB of storage. Or did you mean that just a couple of the HW specs, like EDGE and the lack of GPS, are behind the average EU phone with your disdainful remarks?
I originally would have liked the phone to be thicker to include HSDPA, GPS and a larger battery accommodate for these energy sucking devices. But after holding the iPhone I found it to be quite weighty as Apple really engineered the device to hold a lot more than the average phone. And GPS is pretty pointless when Google Maps over EDGE will give me turn-by-turn directions. The only reason a full fledged GPS system would be if I were in an unmapped location, like the Congo. But I feel it's more advantaageous that I have a dedicated GPS with a long lasting battery and sat phone the next time I'm there.
Quote:
Originally Posted by bavlondon2
I guess were just too ahead of you guys lol Sorry but thats the gospel truth.
And we all know the Bible is the absolute truth. \
I'm not talking about the iPhone but in more general terms.... Do we not get cell phones from the SAME MANUFACTURERS as the rest of the world?!?! Nokia, Motorola, Sharp, etc... I have to assume yes... so then WHAT is the reason we poor and suffering Americans are SOOOOO behind?!?! Are those companies purposely NOT allowing the phones into the US and if so then they MUST have a reason... A reason that I'm totally missing... Can someone enlighten?!?!
Also why am I ALWAYS given the impression that 'EVERYWHERE BUT THE US' you can get 'THE HOTTEST' ... 'THE LATEST' ... 'THE COOLEST' new cell phone for little or no money... and we POOR americans have to pay the VERY TOP DOLLAR... I mean I realize that IS NOT TRUE... it is people just talking trash artificially inflating their ego?
Dave
Well first bavlondon2 is obviously nuts?nor can he handle the idea of spelling and grammar?and doesn't understand telecommunications (hi, heads up: Europe uses plenty of GSM). His ignorance is almost as scary as the appalling misunderstanding of economics by just about everybody (no wait, nowhere near as scary. Just bothersome). I'd argue, but I just don't care about him. You on the other hand are a board member in good standing, so?
The mobile market is years ahead in Japan and Europe. Several years. In network speed, what network can do, hardware, software (not, obviously, user interface), and the like.
This is for a couple reasons. First off in Japan operators spend a great of money on R&D. The world's first 3G network went live there in freakin' 2001 after all. Secondly the advanced network features combined with heavily subsidized phones (actually a bad thing now, but good then) eventually kicked up an upwards spiral in advanced functions as so many people were using mobiles and doing more and more things.
In Japan you can do: scan a barcode to get a description of anything from business cards to ads and have that information automatically entered correctly on your phone (all the way to 1-click ordering of products), location services of various sorts, e-cash with fingerprint scanner security and just by pressing it against a terminal, mobile TV, etc? That said their mobile UI sucks just as much as everybody else except Apple's.
Because Japanese 2G networks were different from the rest of the world advanced Japanese phones couldn't be used (and their phone manufactures couldn't sell them) in the rest of the world. This slowed the rest of the world as they weren't spending as much on network and mobile R&D.
Europe is probably entering that same upward spiral of what a mobile can handle right about now as operators begin to get a clue about 3G services.
The USA (and Canada) both have a larger landmass to cover and had to deal with the insane FCC (it's US, but Canadians are stuck going along with them) which licensed spectrum at different frequencies to the rest of the world. This prevented interoperability of mobiles until tri- and quad-band chips which took a few years and slowed down the USA from Europe/world outside Japan/South Korea market.
There are other reasons, too, but above is a very condensed version of the story.
Comments
Who's going to write an iPhone virus bearing in mind there's no development tools, no compiler, no SDK?
The game is on for hackers trying to spot security vulnerabilities in Apple's iPhone and already they're scoring points. Less than 72 hours after the iPhone's introduction, researchers have reported at least one flaw that could allow an attacker some level of control over the device, while other hackers have uncovered passwords hiding in Apple software that could prove key in gaining root access, they said.
The game is on for hackers trying to spot security vulnerabilities in Apple's iPhone and already they're scoring points. Less than 72 hours after the iPhone's introduction, researchers have reported at least one flaw that could allow an attacker some level of control over the device, while other hackers have uncovered passwords hiding in Apple software that could prove key in gaining root access, they said.
There's a whole heap of difference between a virus and a security vulnerability though, especially one that's transferred via Bluetooth.
The interesting thing in that Reg report though is that the apps run as root. That strikes me as dangerous and it's no wonder Apple don't want 3rd party developers if that's how apps run.
As for bluetooth though are you seriously telling me you would rather having bluetooth locked down and waive the ability to send something to a friend?
Actualyl viruses can come in the form of even installing themes and applications.
No, they can't.
1) you can't install themes and applications on the iPhone
2) That would be a trojan
3) It's been locked down on most phone operating systems for a few years now as they all use signed executables now which refuse to run if the cert fails. Apple's iPhone version of OSX is locked down to signed executables only.
What's the point if you have to hit two keys?
Exactly
I never save pictures from iphone's web browser.
* I never send pictures to anyone over bluetooth.
* I never send MMS to anyone.
* I never copy paste text in a phone.
* I don't need open platform, as i never install 3rd party apps.
* I don't play games on phone.
* I never use mp3 songs as rintones, but i do linsten to mp3 songs on phone.
* I don't need flash/java on a phone.
* I don't want tvout, even though i have enough capacity to put movies in my phone.
* I don't need that feature which its not on "The iPhone".
* I don't need all these features, but sincerely hope that in future it'll be added to my phone via updates.
LOL Heres what I think
....that maybe another reason why the iPhone is selling is because of 'national pride'. The US, ever since a long long time ago, have largely been ignored by foreign phonemakers. Like how many times did we see Nokia, SE, Samsung, and LG release a kick@ss phone in other countries (in Asia and Europe) and NOT release it in the US?? Too many times. How many times do we see Nokia and SE making phones that are triband but without 850mhz? Again, too many times.
The US have always been LATE when it comes to high-tech gadgetry - especially cellphones. It's usually out already by 3 weeks to 2 months , at the shortest, before it's released in US shores. That's why when the Razr was announced and released - it sold by the millions!
Same thing now with the iPhone. The US, again, has something that the rest of the world does not have (yet). Even if it's a closed phone, even if it lacks the key features of a smartphone, even if it's way too expensive for what it can do... all that doesn't matter, the US will still love it and buy it. Because, for the first time in history, they have something NEW - and they have bragging rights to the rest of the world.
Example of a conversation:
jane: (who owns a Nokia or an SE) Hi john, I see you bought an iPhone, may I ask why?
john: Yup, I did. Why, because it's hot.
jane: But it has no 3G.
john: I dont need 3G anyway Im always near a wifi hotspot.
jane: It also doesn't have video recording.
john: I dont need it anyway - I'll just use my camcorder when I need to shoot video.
jane: The camera has no flash, zoom, editor, and all the other things.
john: I'll just avoid dark situations or I'll my digicam.
jane: But its bluetooth is crippled.
john: I dont have that many friends to share bluetooth with anyhow. If I want to send photos - I'll just email it to them. Having crippled bluetooth means Im safe from bluetooth viruses.
jane: Doesn't it bother that you cant change the battery yourself? That you have to pay someone to do it for you?
john: By the time the battery needs changing I would've alloted some money for that already.
jane: Arent you irritated that you cant use your mp3 as ringtones?
john: Yes, but it does have a nice menu.
... you get where this conversation is going? Hehehe.
The US have always been LATE when it comes to high-tech gadgetry - especially cellphones.
Just Apple, Inc. itself is proof enough that this claim is bogus. And now even the cell phone part of it, which previously I would agree with, is no longer true.
Most of your other points have already been addressed as to why Apple might have decided not to include those features. And most not in the way you've implied.
Why do iPhone users defend the iPhone? Because it's ridiculously hot and they don't want others to be fooled by some feature list and miss the whole point of the device. Same way mac users defended macs for years against pc users with higher clocked processors.
Tell him how you really feel Outsider...
Yea... don't hold back... really rip into him...
All your points of contention except for 3G are all kiddie based. Everyone at my work who purchased an iPhone doesn't give a FLYING FIST FUCK about video recording, a fancy camera, transferring files via BT (WTF?), changing the mother fucking battery, and shitty ringtones from your music library?!? Do you listen to yourself?
lol Thats why you guys are so behind in the phone market normally. Video recording and good quality pics are important to almost every phone user now in Europe andthis is why you see some phones now recording at 30fps in as high resultion as VGA.
As for 3G well I know 3G hasnt really taken of in the states yet but weve gone past that. Now everybody wants HSDPA and most networks will have full scale roll out of this by the end of this year.
Bluetooth has always been a big thing and very popular. Being able to send a mate a video or picture they took. Yeah you can email it but BT is a gift of a feature.
Im not to fussed about the ringtones I was just illustrating that as a point I use normal ring tones.
By the way I have a mac aswell no its not like im PC Nokia pro only hehe
I think the difference is that because the American market is so behind in phone features Apple could get away with the current feature set in the iphone even with the rumored updates.
If that were released as it is in the UK it wouldnt do that well becasue OS/Interface aside its specs are like 3 years old and the novelty of a user interface no matter how nice will eventually wear of.
I guess were just too ahead of you guys lol Sorry but thats the gospel truth.
And outsider you should really take into consideration that minors may be browsing this forum so you shouldnt really run your mouth with language like that. Id be quite happy to reply in the same manner but I have more manners than that.
I mean come on even the shittest Nokias take VGA video haha
I guess were just too ahead of you guys lol Sorry but thats the gospel truth.
This is the part that I just DON'T GET...
I'm not talking about the iPhone but in more general terms.... Do we not get cell phones from the SAME MANUFACTURERS as the rest of the world?!?! Nokia, Motorola, Sharp, etc... I have to assume yes... so then WHAT is the reason we poor and suffering Americans are SOOOOO behind?!?! Are those companies purposely NOT allowing the phones into the US and if so then they MUST have a reason... A reason that I'm totally missing... Can someone enlighten?!?!
Also why am I ALWAYS given the impression that 'EVERYWHERE BUT THE US' you can get 'THE HOTTEST' ... 'THE LATEST' ... 'THE COOLEST' new cell phone for little or no money... and we POOR americans have to pay the VERY TOP DOLLAR... I mean I realize that IS NOT TRUE... it is people just talking trash artificially inflating their ego?
Dave
lol Thats why you guys are so behind in the phone market normally. Video recording and good quality pics are important to almost every phone user now in Europe andthis is why you see some phones now recording at 30fps in as high resultion as VGA.
As for 3G well I know 3G hasnt really taken of in the states yet but weve gone past that. Now everybody wants HSDPA and most networks will have full scale roll out of this by the end of this year.
Bluetooth has always been a big thing and very popular. Being able to send a mate a video or picture they took. Yeah you can email it but BT is a gift of a feature.
Im not to fussed about the ringtones I was just illustrating that as a point I use normal ring tones.
By the way I have a mac aswell no its not like im PC Nokia pro only hehe
I think the difference is that because the American market is so behind in phone features Apple could get away with the current feature set in the iphone even with the rumored updates.
If that were released as it is in the UK it wouldnt do that well becasue OS/Interface aside its specs are like 3 years old and the novelty of a user interface no matter how nice will eventually wear of.
I guess were just too ahead of you guys lol Sorry but thats the gospel truth.
And outsider you should really take into consideration that minors may be browsing this forum so you shouldnt really run your mouth with language like that. Id be quite happy to reply in the same manner but I have more manners than that.
Sending video over bluetooth?
I need to stop feeding this troll..... must resist....
This is the part that I just DON'T GET...
I'm not talking about the iPhone but in more general terms.... Do we not get cell phones from the SAME MANUFACTURERS as the rest of the world?!?! Nokia, Motorola, Sharp, etc... I have to assume yes... so then WHAT is the reason we poor and suffering Americans are SOOOOO behind?!?! Are those companies purposely NOT allowing the phones into the US and if so then they MUST have a reason... A reason that I'm totally missing... Can someone enlighten?!?!
Also why am I ALWAYS given the impression that 'EVERYWHERE BUT THE US' you can get 'THE HOTTEST' ... 'THE LATEST' ... 'THE COOLEST' new cell phone for little or no money... and we POOR americans have to pay the VERY TOP DOLLAR... I mean I realize that IS NOT TRUE... it is people just talking trash artificially inflating their ego?
Dave
Well 1 example is that the 2mp camera in the iphone represents the fact that most phones over there are 1.3mp. There isnt not as much emphasis on imaging.
Also video. Where as its more or less unheard of from people on here, over in Europe we like VGA 30fps that we can upload to youtube.
We like HSDPA, where as GSM is the standard in the states. I really dont know why they arrive later in the states. I think its just that there isnt a demand for all these individual features as much as over in Europe.
Sending video over bluetooth?
I need to stop feeding this troll..... must resist....
lol I think its you who needs to get a clue as this concept it seems foreign to you. 9Oh and pics are a killer? (ps 3.2mp pics take a few seconds at most) And the videos we send are little funny encoded clips ussualy ripped of youtube which maybe take up to 1 minute or less. Did you think i meant movies ? lol I bet you did didnt you.
Bluetoothing stuff over to friends has been common for oh maybe the last 5 or 6 years now. And you say you havent heard of it? Well that right there alone is another example of how behind you guys are in making use of these features. No wonder your all so happy with the iphone lol
Does is annoy you that the EU version will be better than the US version?
If that were released as it is in the UK it wouldnt do that well becasue OS/Interface aside its specs are like 3 years old and the novelty of a user interface no matter how nice will eventually wear of.
The iPhone's UI is anovelty, like a sparkler or some party favor? And here I thought it set the bar for what a cell phone interface should be and will be in the future. I guess all these companies that are trying to copy it are just on the novelty bandwagon. I guess someone should tell them that an easy to use, intuitive interface is just a passing fad.
I'm not aware of the EU's cell phones but I, being a stupid American, was not aware that all the EU phones had WiFi, 160ppi displays with multitouch, Visual Voicemail, >600MHz CPUs, 128MB RAM and multiple GB of storage. Or did you mean that just a couple of the HW specs, like EDGE and the lack of GPS, are behind the average EU phone with your disdainful remarks?
I originally would have liked the phone to be thicker to include HSDPA, GPS and a larger battery accommodate for these energy sucking devices. But after holding the iPhone I found it to be quite weighty as Apple really engineered the device to hold a lot more than the average phone. And GPS is pretty pointless when Google Maps over EDGE will give me turn-by-turn directions. The only reason a full fledged GPS system would be if I were in an unmapped location, like the Congo. But I feel it's more advantaageous that I have a dedicated GPS with a long lasting battery and sat phone the next time I'm there.
I guess were just too ahead of you guys lol Sorry but thats the gospel truth.
And we all know the Bible is the absolute truth.
so how do i use it while driving???
This is the part that I just DON'T GET...
I'm not talking about the iPhone but in more general terms.... Do we not get cell phones from the SAME MANUFACTURERS as the rest of the world?!?! Nokia, Motorola, Sharp, etc... I have to assume yes... so then WHAT is the reason we poor and suffering Americans are SOOOOO behind?!?! Are those companies purposely NOT allowing the phones into the US and if so then they MUST have a reason... A reason that I'm totally missing... Can someone enlighten?!?!
Also why am I ALWAYS given the impression that 'EVERYWHERE BUT THE US' you can get 'THE HOTTEST' ... 'THE LATEST' ... 'THE COOLEST' new cell phone for little or no money... and we POOR americans have to pay the VERY TOP DOLLAR... I mean I realize that IS NOT TRUE... it is people just talking trash artificially inflating their ego?
Dave
Well first bavlondon2 is obviously nuts?nor can he handle the idea of spelling and grammar?and doesn't understand telecommunications (hi, heads up: Europe uses plenty of GSM). His ignorance is almost as scary as the appalling misunderstanding of economics by just about everybody (no wait, nowhere near as scary. Just bothersome). I'd argue, but I just don't care about him. You on the other hand are a board member in good standing, so?
The mobile market is years ahead in Japan and Europe. Several years. In network speed, what network can do, hardware, software (not, obviously, user interface), and the like.
This is for a couple reasons. First off in Japan operators spend a great of money on R&D. The world's first 3G network went live there in freakin' 2001 after all. Secondly the advanced network features combined with heavily subsidized phones (actually a bad thing now, but good then) eventually kicked up an upwards spiral in advanced functions as so many people were using mobiles and doing more and more things.
In Japan you can do: scan a barcode to get a description of anything from business cards to ads and have that information automatically entered correctly on your phone (all the way to 1-click ordering of products), location services of various sorts, e-cash with fingerprint scanner security and just by pressing it against a terminal, mobile TV, etc? That said their mobile UI sucks just as much as everybody else except Apple's.
Because Japanese 2G networks were different from the rest of the world advanced Japanese phones couldn't be used (and their phone manufactures couldn't sell them) in the rest of the world. This slowed the rest of the world as they weren't spending as much on network and mobile R&D.
Europe is probably entering that same upward spiral of what a mobile can handle right about now as operators begin to get a clue about 3G services.
The USA (and Canada) both have a larger landmass to cover and had to deal with the insane FCC (it's US, but Canadians are stuck going along with them) which licensed spectrum at different frequencies to the rest of the world. This prevented interoperability of mobiles until tri- and quad-band chips which took a few years and slowed down the USA from Europe/world outside Japan/South Korea market.
There are other reasons, too, but above is a very condensed version of the story.