I guess good for travelling / using teh upcoming apple TV / mac mini on the couch, but WTfingF - it's not a full functioning keyboard: everytime I enter numbers (phone numbers, account numbers, PAGE NUMBERS, dollars and cents) I use teh number keypad. no floppy drive is one thing, no keypad?? common....
Yes, trust the guy who bemoans the demise of the floppy to be in touch with what current computer users want in their keyboards...
Basically, that only helps if your backlight is really strong. In anything twilight-to-normal lighting levels, a normal backlight causes the keys to look grey instead of white. So instead of white on black, you get flat grey on black.
Right then; a revision to my previous statement:
Simple solution: use a competently engineered backlight.
I will get on the wagon with everyone else: no keypad on the wireless keyboard? All that means to me is this: if I get the new iMac I will be getting the wired keyboard. What were they thinking? If they are going to do that then offer both keyboards (with and without). I guarantee you that the wireless keyboard with the number pad would far outsell the wireless keyboard without it.
I believe they did this because the new keyboard will be able to work with the iPhone and AppleTV (next gen).
Another thing... The new black monitor offset from the body of the iMac presages the next gen AppleTV. Betcha it ends up looking exactly like the new iMac, minus the "chin".
The frame makes the screen look smaller. It looks like it's just floating there. And then when leopard comes out with their transparent menu bar and dock, it's going to give people seizures! It looks like somebody put pressure on for something new and Ive panicked.
It's kind of like the iphone really when you think about it. The iphone has a similar glass black screen where the black reaches out to the edge where it meets a silver border. They just screwed up the translation to the iMac shape. The front should have been either all black or all silver, preferably the latter.
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Originally Posted by CRHain88
GRR! I'm frustrated by the two-toned everything! mac=silver and black keyboard=silver and white. What is that!
I think [the black bezel] looks smarter, sharper than the previous incarnation.
No doubt Jonathon Ive and Mr. Jobs will agree with you on that! But sales over the next few months will tell if "the average iMac consumer" agrees with you and the Ive team or me and the anti-black-bezel team.
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Originally Posted by Mr. H
The average consumer seems to love glossy displays, the iMac is aimed at the average consumer, so it gets glossy displays.
Until the debut of the "prosumer" 24" iMac, I would have agreed with you. But the last 24" iMac was made for a professional breed of consumer who wants to do PRO work without the massive footprint and massive cost of a Mac Pro. Indeed, the swappable video card of the previous generation 24" iMac proved that.
So I do not buy it for one minute that Apple can get away with now calling a Prosumer Mac a "Joe Sixpack Mac" now. This is especially true in light of the fact the new iMacs have Firewire 800. Or are you going to now call that a "Joe Six Pack" connectivity interface? Indeed, Firewire is a "pro" connection, not a consumer one. Hence, the irony of the glossy screen on the highest end model.
With that said, I wouldn't complain at all if all the Macs had a glossy screen as a standard feature and then the high end model could be "upgraded" with a non-glossy model. But because that is not an option, I have lodged my legitimate complaint here.
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Originally Posted by Mr. H
Plastic -> aluminium, doubtless all internal and external dimensions changed; trust me, this is a major change on the manufacturing side.
I think you should apply as a replacement for Guy Kawasaki, who used to be a major apologist for Apple in the mid-1990's. Seriously, your hype misses my point completely. Namely, that the "basic look" of the machine stands largely unchanged from the previous generation. I couldn't care less how much aluminum costs or weighs or looks. The basic "form factor" is the same. And I believe many of us expected a NEW FORM FACTOR. That was my point.
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Originally Posted by Mr. H
Apple can't give you what doesn't exist. Apple are restricted by the available LCD panels at the correct price points.
Give me a break. LED backlights exist in other Apple machines (or have you not read the news over the past few months). LED backlights likely exist for even big 24" LCDs too. And in light of my above explanation that the highest end 24" model was actually intended to be a PROSUMER machine, such customers should have a BTO option of spending mega-bucks on an LED, non-glossy screen. I think people would pay extra for it, especially if they are like me, in the design industry and love the compact size of the iMac (and the lower cost) but need good color accuracy. This is especially true if Apple, renown for its cutting edge graphics hardware, could implement a wider gamut color palette with an LED backlit display. That would really boost sales.
"Don't you think Apple would have done that if it were economically possible?" Not necessarily. I suspect this may be one of the last (or perhaps the last of two) revisions of this form factor of iMac. Perhaps they will release the TRUE renewed design sometime next year. And in that new design they may make up for the "BAD."
No doubt Jonathon Ive and Mr. Jobs will agree with you on that! But sales over the next few months will tell if "the average iMac consumer" agrees with you and the Ive team or me and the anti-black-bezel team.
Until the debut of the "prosumer" 24" iMac, I would have agreed with you. But the last 24" iMac was made for a professional breed of consumer who wants to do PRO work without the massive footprint and massive cost of a Mac Pro. Indeed, the swappable video card of the previous generation 24" iMac proved that.
So I do not buy it for one minute that Apple can get away with now calling a Prosumer Mac a "Joe Sixpack Mac" now. This is especially true in light of the fact the new iMacs have Firewire 800. Or are you going to now call that a "Joe Six Pack" connectivity interface? Indeed, Firewire is a "pro" connection, not a consumer one. Hence, the irony of the glossy screen on the highest end model.
With that said, I wouldn't complain at all if all the Macs had a glossy screen as a standard feature and then the high end model could be "upgraded" with a non-glossy model. But because that is not an option, I have lodged my legitimate complaint here.
I think you should apply as a replacement for Guy Kawasaki, who used to be a major apologist for Apple in the mid-1990's. Seriously, your hype misses my point completely. Namely, that the "basic look" of the machine stands largely unchanged from the previous generation. I couldn't care less how much aluminum costs or weighs or looks. The basic "form factor" is the same. And I believe many of us expected a NEW FORM FACTOR. That was my point.
Give me a break. LED backlights exist in other Apple machines (or have you not read the news over the past few months). LED backlights likely exist for even big 24" LCDs too. And in light of my above explanation that the highest end 24" model was actually intended to be a PROSUMER machine, such customers should have a BTO option of spending mega-bucks on an LED, non-glossy screen. I think people would pay extra for it, especially if they are like me, in the design industry and love the compact size of the iMac (and the lower cost) but need good color accuracy. This is especially true if Apple, renown for its cutting edge graphics hardware, could implement a wider gamut color palette with an LED backlit display. That would really boost sales.
"Don't you think Apple would have done that if it were economically possible?" Not necessarily. I suspect this may be one of the last (or perhaps the last of two) revisions of this form factor of iMac. Perhaps they will release the TRUE renewed design sometime next year. And in that new design they may make up for the "BAD."
15' LED backlit LCD screens are already difficult to get.. so imagine 20' and 24'
I think you should apply as a replacement for Guy Kawasaki, who used to be a major apologist for Apple in the mid-1990's.
Man, that's funny. Do you not know me at all?
Hi, I'm Mr. H, one of the key "xMac" supporters, Finder haters, Apple TV haters, and Apple's H.264 implementation haters etc. etc. etc. I'm hardly an Apple Apologist.
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Originally Posted by JDW
Seriously, your hype misses my point completely.
Missing your point completely? Another good joke. Seems like you've forgotten what you said. Here you go:
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Originally Posted by JDW
this is yet another "money grab" in that this "new" change is much cheaper to implement on the manufacturing side than a major change
I dispute this entirely. Just because it looks similar doesn't mean it's an easy or cheap change to make.
I did not in any way deny that the form factor (from a functional and visual perspective) has changed very little. Only an imbecile would try to claim that.
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Originally Posted by JDW
Give me a break. LED backlights exist in other Apple machines (or have you not read the news over the past few months).
No, I haven't missed them. The 15" MacBook uses an LED backlit panel. Because Apple were able to source an LED backlit panel at the right price.
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Originally Posted by JDW
LED backlights likely exist for even big 24" LCDs too.
And how much do these LED backlit 24" panels cost?
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Originally Posted by JDW
such customers should have a BTO option of spending mega-bucks on an LED, non-glossy screen.
I can agree with that. I'm always all for giving people the option.
For the love of God, please don't pluralize "photos" as "photo's." (Correct on forum, but not on the article's title) Using apostrophe "s" where it's not needed is some sort of U.S. English language virus.
I'm Mr. H, one of the key "xMac" supporters, Finder haters, Apple TV haters, and Apple's H.264 implementation haters
A kindred spirit! Well, I'm certainly happy to hear that.
Overall, I think Apple will sell their new iMacs in similar numbers to the old. But I really feel let down. I guess my feelings are in part due to reading sites like AppleInsider and not taking those articles and mockups with a hefty bucket of salt. I really wanted a radically new form factor, but that wasn't meant to be. And for the life of me, as long as I stare at the black bezel, I grow more and more NOT to like it. It sends shivers up my spine. I reminds me of days gone by when our compact Macs used to have those CRT radiation screens slapped on them (or glare filters). They were not pretty to look at, and this black bezel sends all those old memories rushing back. (Yes, I've been a Mac user since 1984, so I remember all those things.)
Ah well. Fingers cross the 2008 models will appeal to me. I've not swapped out my G4 Cube since 2000, so I suppose I can wait another year for a design that suits my picky tastes!
I'm going to take a wild guess: like the MacBook's keyboard?
Are you saying that because you used it or just because it looks like the MB keyboard? I don't need wild guesses or even informed ones. I just would like the opinion of someone who has actually laid hands on it. That's all.
Are you saying that because you used it or just because it looks like the MB keyboard? I don't need wild guesses or even informed ones. I just would like the opinion of someone who has actually laid hands on it. That's all.
I agree that it would be nice to have it confirmed, but I'll be very surprised if it doesn't feel like the MacBook keyboard.
For the love of God, please don't pluralize "photos" as "photo's." (Correct on forum, but not on the article's title) Using apostrophe "s" where it's not needed is some sort of U.S. English language virus.
--JV
It's useless. Grammar has gone completely down the toilet in this country.
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this sucks balls.
I guess good for travelling / using teh upcoming apple TV / mac mini on the couch, but WTfingF - it's not a full functioning keyboard: everytime I enter numbers (phone numbers, account numbers, PAGE NUMBERS, dollars and cents) I use teh number keypad. no floppy drive is one thing, no keypad?? common....
Yes, trust the guy who bemoans the demise of the floppy to be in touch with what current computer users want in their keyboards...
Basically, that only helps if your backlight is really strong. In anything twilight-to-normal lighting levels, a normal backlight causes the keys to look grey instead of white. So instead of white on black, you get flat grey on black.
Right then; a revision to my previous statement:
Simple solution: use a competently engineered backlight.
I will get on the wagon with everyone else: no keypad on the wireless keyboard? All that means to me is this: if I get the new iMac I will be getting the wired keyboard. What were they thinking? If they are going to do that then offer both keyboards (with and without). I guarantee you that the wireless keyboard with the number pad would far outsell the wireless keyboard without it.
I believe they did this because the new keyboard will be able to work with the iPhone and AppleTV (next gen).
The frame makes the screen look smaller. It looks like it's just floating there. And then when leopard comes out with their transparent menu bar and dock, it's going to give people seizures! It looks like somebody put pressure on for something new and Ive panicked.
It's kind of like the iphone really when you think about it. The iphone has a similar glass black screen where the black reaches out to the edge where it meets a silver border. They just screwed up the translation to the iMac shape. The front should have been either all black or all silver, preferably the latter.
GRR! I'm frustrated by the two-toned everything! mac=silver and black keyboard=silver and white. What is that!
Two-tone rings a bell:
I think [the black bezel] looks smarter, sharper than the previous incarnation.
No doubt Jonathon Ive and Mr. Jobs will agree with you on that! But sales over the next few months will tell if "the average iMac consumer" agrees with you and the Ive team or me and the anti-black-bezel team.
The average consumer seems to love glossy displays, the iMac is aimed at the average consumer, so it gets glossy displays.
Until the debut of the "prosumer" 24" iMac, I would have agreed with you. But the last 24" iMac was made for a professional breed of consumer who wants to do PRO work without the massive footprint and massive cost of a Mac Pro. Indeed, the swappable video card of the previous generation 24" iMac proved that.
So I do not buy it for one minute that Apple can get away with now calling a Prosumer Mac a "Joe Sixpack Mac" now. This is especially true in light of the fact the new iMacs have Firewire 800. Or are you going to now call that a "Joe Six Pack" connectivity interface? Indeed, Firewire is a "pro" connection, not a consumer one. Hence, the irony of the glossy screen on the highest end model.
With that said, I wouldn't complain at all if all the Macs had a glossy screen as a standard feature and then the high end model could be "upgraded" with a non-glossy model. But because that is not an option, I have lodged my legitimate complaint here.
Plastic -> aluminium, doubtless all internal and external dimensions changed; trust me, this is a major change on the manufacturing side.
I think you should apply as a replacement for Guy Kawasaki, who used to be a major apologist for Apple in the mid-1990's. Seriously, your hype misses my point completely. Namely, that the "basic look" of the machine stands largely unchanged from the previous generation. I couldn't care less how much aluminum costs or weighs or looks. The basic "form factor" is the same. And I believe many of us expected a NEW FORM FACTOR. That was my point.
Apple can't give you what doesn't exist. Apple are restricted by the available LCD panels at the correct price points.
Give me a break. LED backlights exist in other Apple machines (or have you not read the news over the past few months). LED backlights likely exist for even big 24" LCDs too. And in light of my above explanation that the highest end 24" model was actually intended to be a PROSUMER machine, such customers should have a BTO option of spending mega-bucks on an LED, non-glossy screen. I think people would pay extra for it, especially if they are like me, in the design industry and love the compact size of the iMac (and the lower cost) but need good color accuracy. This is especially true if Apple, renown for its cutting edge graphics hardware, could implement a wider gamut color palette with an LED backlit display. That would really boost sales.
"Don't you think Apple would have done that if it were economically possible?" Not necessarily. I suspect this may be one of the last (or perhaps the last of two) revisions of this form factor of iMac. Perhaps they will release the TRUE renewed design sometime next year. And in that new design they may make up for the "BAD."
No doubt Jonathon Ive and Mr. Jobs will agree with you on that! But sales over the next few months will tell if "the average iMac consumer" agrees with you and the Ive team or me and the anti-black-bezel team.
Until the debut of the "prosumer" 24" iMac, I would have agreed with you. But the last 24" iMac was made for a professional breed of consumer who wants to do PRO work without the massive footprint and massive cost of a Mac Pro. Indeed, the swappable video card of the previous generation 24" iMac proved that.
So I do not buy it for one minute that Apple can get away with now calling a Prosumer Mac a "Joe Sixpack Mac" now. This is especially true in light of the fact the new iMacs have Firewire 800. Or are you going to now call that a "Joe Six Pack" connectivity interface? Indeed, Firewire is a "pro" connection, not a consumer one. Hence, the irony of the glossy screen on the highest end model.
With that said, I wouldn't complain at all if all the Macs had a glossy screen as a standard feature and then the high end model could be "upgraded" with a non-glossy model. But because that is not an option, I have lodged my legitimate complaint here.
I think you should apply as a replacement for Guy Kawasaki, who used to be a major apologist for Apple in the mid-1990's. Seriously, your hype misses my point completely. Namely, that the "basic look" of the machine stands largely unchanged from the previous generation. I couldn't care less how much aluminum costs or weighs or looks. The basic "form factor" is the same. And I believe many of us expected a NEW FORM FACTOR. That was my point.
Give me a break. LED backlights exist in other Apple machines (or have you not read the news over the past few months). LED backlights likely exist for even big 24" LCDs too. And in light of my above explanation that the highest end 24" model was actually intended to be a PROSUMER machine, such customers should have a BTO option of spending mega-bucks on an LED, non-glossy screen. I think people would pay extra for it, especially if they are like me, in the design industry and love the compact size of the iMac (and the lower cost) but need good color accuracy. This is especially true if Apple, renown for its cutting edge graphics hardware, could implement a wider gamut color palette with an LED backlit display. That would really boost sales.
"Don't you think Apple would have done that if it were economically possible?" Not necessarily. I suspect this may be one of the last (or perhaps the last of two) revisions of this form factor of iMac. Perhaps they will release the TRUE renewed design sometime next year. And in that new design they may make up for the "BAD."
15' LED backlit LCD screens are already difficult to get.. so imagine 20' and 24'
Right then; a revision to my previous statement:
Simple solution: use a competently engineered backlight.
Flat gray-on-black is already best case for a backlit "white-on-black" keyboard. Worst case is it goes completely invisible.
I don't like the black Apple logo on the front of the new iMac. It should have been brushed metal like the ones on the cinema displays.
it isn't black
i think i like the black border around the screen. the keyboard is kick ass
I think you should apply as a replacement for Guy Kawasaki, who used to be a major apologist for Apple in the mid-1990's.
Hi, I'm Mr. H, one of the key "xMac" supporters, Finder haters, Apple TV haters, and Apple's H.264 implementation haters etc. etc. etc. I'm hardly an Apple Apologist.
Seriously, your hype misses my point completely.
Missing your point completely? Another good joke. Seems like you've forgotten what you said. Here you go:
this is yet another "money grab" in that this "new" change is much cheaper to implement on the manufacturing side than a major change
I dispute this entirely. Just because it looks similar doesn't mean it's an easy or cheap change to make.
I did not in any way deny that the form factor (from a functional and visual perspective) has changed very little. Only an imbecile would try to claim that.
Give me a break. LED backlights exist in other Apple machines (or have you not read the news over the past few months).
No, I haven't missed them. The 15" MacBook uses an LED backlit panel. Because Apple were able to source an LED backlit panel at the right price.
LED backlights likely exist for even big 24" LCDs too.
And how much do these LED backlit 24" panels cost?
such customers should have a BTO option of spending mega-bucks on an LED, non-glossy screen.
I can agree with that. I'm always all for giving people the option.
Flat gray-on-black is already best case for a backlit "white-on-black" keyboard.
Not if you use a different colour backlight.
For the love of God, please don't pluralize "photos" as "photo's." (Correct on forum, but not on the article's title) Using apostrophe "s" where it's not needed is some sort of U.S. English language virus.
--JV
I'm Mr. H, one of the key "xMac" supporters, Finder haters, Apple TV haters, and Apple's H.264 implementation haters
A kindred spirit! Well, I'm certainly happy to hear that.
Overall, I think Apple will sell their new iMacs in similar numbers to the old. But I really feel let down. I guess my feelings are in part due to reading sites like AppleInsider and not taking those articles and mockups with a hefty bucket of salt. I really wanted a radically new form factor, but that wasn't meant to be. And for the life of me, as long as I stare at the black bezel, I grow more and more NOT to like it. It sends shivers up my spine. I reminds me of days gone by when our compact Macs used to have those CRT radiation screens slapped on them (or glare filters). They were not pretty to look at, and this black bezel sends all those old memories rushing back. (Yes, I've been a Mac user since 1984, so I remember all those things.)
Ah well. Fingers cross the 2008 models will appeal to me. I've not swapped out my G4 Cube since 2000, so I suppose I can wait another year for a design that suits my picky tastes!
How does it feel when typing?
I'm going to take a wild guess: like the MacBook's keyboard?
I'm going to take a wild guess: like the MacBook's keyboard?
Are you saying that because you used it or just because it looks like the MB keyboard? I don't need wild guesses or even informed ones. I just would like the opinion of someone who has actually laid hands on it. That's all.
Are you saying that because you used it or just because it looks like the MB keyboard? I don't need wild guesses or even informed ones. I just would like the opinion of someone who has actually laid hands on it. That's all.
I agree that it would be nice to have it confirmed, but I'll be very surprised if it doesn't feel like the MacBook keyboard.
...And no white? WTF? does this mean that they are getting ready to nix the pro series?
Yes. Apple bases its pro computer strategy on the color of its consumer computer.
AppleInsider:
For the love of God, please don't pluralize "photos" as "photo's." (Correct on forum, but not on the article's title) Using apostrophe "s" where it's not needed is some sort of U.S. English language virus.
--JV
It's useless. Grammar has gone completely down the toilet in this country.