I wonder if anyone has patented ceilings with lights on them? I'm going to, and then I'm going to sue everyone who sells ceilings that use lights to light rooms. Empty your bank account now, boys.
The outcome is what I expected. He cannot comment on it, but it is him. No, I won't give you his email or phone so you can annoy him. I have a lot of respect for the guy.
I know that it is difficult to see our favorite computer company getting sued. It seems it happens often. While I think the power adapter suit lacks merit, the law could not be anymore clear on what credit card information can be displayed upon the close of any point-of-sale transaction. If more than the last five digits of a credit card are displayed, whether it be on a display device or on a printed receipt, then a violation occurs. There is no gray area for this issue. Go to any other e-commerce site and purchase something. You will see when the confirmation screen comes up that there will be a series of asterisks or something else followed by the last 4 or 5 digits of the credit card.
The fact that Apple is continuing to violate this is stupid on their part and consumers have a right to complain. In fact, if consumers don't complain then they are effectively saying that it is okay to allow the violation to continue. There really is no reason why Apple cannot comply with such a simple legal requirement. No one on this forum has any reason to lambaste those involved in this suit because Apple is clearly in the wrong.
This fact doesn't mean I like Apple's products any less. However, it makes me wonder if they have any other compliance issues that could put my personal information at risk of exposure. Let's hope that Apple can make a quick adjustment to their e-commerce software to bring them in compliance with the law.
Careful, the original TiBooks did not ship with those adapters at first, they had the Yo-Yo adapter. But the newer adapters came out in the next revision, still well prior to 2004.
It doesn't matter when a patent is granted. What matters is when the patent application was filed, what prior art (public or Apple-internal) existed, and what would have been non-obvious at that time to someone versed in the field.
Zito's patents in this case were both filed in April 2002.
Zito's patents in this case were both filed in April 2002.
Some are claiming the Titanium PowerBook of 2001 wasn't originally shipped with an LED power adapter. While I can't speak to those claims, I can say with absolute certainty that the Ti Book I purchased in April 2002 came with an LED connector on the power adapter, that the LED was in the tip of the connector, and that it glowed amber when the battery was charging and green when the battery was charged. April 2002 was the same month Zito filed his patents. Even if April 2002 was the very first month Apple made the LED power adapter available, there is no way the company designed and began producing this product virtually overnight. In my opinion, Apple will have a very strong defense, with a ton of prior art that it owns.
I'll repeat my earlier speculation that Zito is primarily peeved by Apple's redesigned power adapter for the MacBook Pro, which looks more similar to Zito's design, but which functions identically to Apple's earlier design vis a vis its use of a multi-color, multi-state LED indicator. Zito's patent is not a design patent, and furthermore, in accommodating Apple's new MagSafe technology, it would have been obvious to Apple that a different style of LED was needed.
It doesn't matter when a patent is granted. What matters is when the patent application was filed, what prior art (public or Apple-internal) existed, and what would have been non-obvious at that time to someone versed in the field.
Zito's patents in this case were both filed in April 2002.
Nothing would make me happier then the government or someone getting involved here, and finally putting an end to this bull sh t!!!
If anyone sues someone in a class action lawsuit for any amount of money, and they lose - they in turn have to pay the same amount to who they just lost against, as the amount they were suing for i.e., if they sure for 1 Million doolars and lose, they have to pay Apple or whomever they were suing, 1 million dollars PLUS all legal fees. And tell me this wouldn't make lawyers think before making these stupid Fu&^(*KING claims!
Hell, someone earlier noted - Apples cost more because of this shit!
How can this guy have received a patent for this in 2004 when apple's power adaptors have had the status light at least since the Ti Book was first released?
WTF is USPTO doing? Just signing off on every application that crosses their desks?
I think it's as stupid a patent as the next guy, but exaggeration doesn't help. The Titanium Powerbooks most certainly did not have charge lights. Those systems originally shipped with "yo yo" adapters. Even the first generation of white G3 iBooks shipped with the yo yo (at least at first).
I think it's as stupid a patent as the next guy, but exaggeration doesn't help. The Titanium Powerbooks most certainly did not have charge lights. Those systems originally shipped with "yo yo" adapters. Even the first generation of white G3 iBooks shipped with the yo yo (at least at first).
You apparently missed my post just a few lines earlier where I report that my Ti Book shipped in April 2002 had the new power adapter, with LED indicator in the power connector.
Yes, he should have posted that the first Titanium PowerBooks had the yo yo adapters. When I bought a used G3 iBook in early 2002 I had to buy a new power adapter from Apple. It was a yo yo style adapter as well. It was not long after that that they switched to the white brick power adapters.
My HP printer and LG cellphone both have lights on the plugs to indicate status - the LG one is orange while charging and green while charged and the HP one is green while there's power to it.
My HP printer and LG cellphone both have lights on the plugs to indicate status - the LG one is orange while charging and green while charged and the HP one is green while there's power to it.
Big deal.
You say that just because the technology is passe today? Sorry, that's not how the patent system works. The government created the patent system so that good ideas will be publicly disseminated, rather than kept secret, while rewarding the inventor with an exclusive right to market their ideas for a few years.
I know that it is difficult to see our favorite computer company getting sued. It seems it happens often. While I think the power adapter suit lacks merit, the law could not be anymore clear on what credit card information can be displayed upon the close of any point-of-sale transaction. If more than the last five digits of a credit card are displayed, whether it be on a display device or on a printed receipt, then a violation occurs. There is no gray area for this issue. Go to any other e-commerce site and purchase something. You will see when the confirmation screen comes up that there will be a series of asterisks or something else followed by the last 4 or 5 digits of the credit card.
The fact that Apple is continuing to violate this is stupid on their part and consumers have a right to complain. In fact, if consumers don't complain then they are effectively saying that it is okay to allow the violation to continue. There really is no reason why Apple cannot comply with such a simple legal requirement. No one on this forum has any reason to lambaste those involved in this suit because Apple is clearly in the wrong.
This fact doesn't mean I like Apple's products any less. However, it makes me wonder if they have any other compliance issues that could put my personal information at risk of exposure. Let's hope that Apple can make a quick adjustment to their e-commerce software to bring them in compliance with the law.
Regards,
Koose
I've checked all of the receipts from the iTunes Store, Apple Online, and the receipts that are emailed to me from the retail locations, and on all of them all that is shown is the last 4 digits of my card and a confirmation number, the only date shown is the date of purchase. Same is true for the printed receipts from the retail store.
I have no doubt as to the theft of the adapter LED if the man in question was contacted by Apple corp. I own www.ikenfixit.com and had been contacted by apple in 2004 regarding my view on Apples notebooks. The mistake I made was telling the corporate dickhead via the phone about the design Our company came up with to eliminate 90% of common laptop failures. (Mag-Safe). The name and magnetic interface was used without our authorization or basically stolen from me. A good friend Scott Kamber who specializes in Class action, As well as us being Witness to Pandemic defects feels it would be pointless to persue as I didnt get my Idea patented prior to spilling my beans. If the Novi Mi. gentleman reads this contact me via the web as I have proof to the fact we designed and thought of the Mag-safe adapter which I intended to sell to Most of the manufacturers. (Had an HP Exec in the shop 8 Mo's prior on an emergency weekend repair)...Good luck all and we love reading these posts!
I have no doubt as to the theft of the adapter LED if the man in question was contacted by Apple corp. I own www.ikenfixit.com and had been contacted by apple in 2004 regarding my view on Apples notebooks. The mistake I made was telling the corporate dickhead via the phone about the design Our company came up with to eliminate 90% of common laptop failures. (Mag-Safe). The name and magnetic interface was used without our authorization or basically stolen from me. A good friend Scott Kamber who specializes in Class action, As well as us being Witness to Pandemic defects feels it would be pointless to persue as I didnt get my Idea patented prior to spilling my beans. If the Novi Mi. gentleman reads this contact me via the web as I have proof to the fact we designed and thought of the Mag-safe adapter which I intended to sell to Most of the manufacturers. (Had an HP Exec in the shop 8 Mo's prior on an emergency weekend repair)...Good luck all and we love reading these posts!
Never give them any info.. Ironic that after the fact Jobs hit the Screens advertising the name and design 8-9 months later. Weve designed a better deal now for anything connected via Adapter. We will keep this one quiet however until a patent is sought out.
Frankly, I don't give a rip about you. You came up your "brilliant" idea at least four years after I suggested it to Apple via their feedback mechanism, and several years after Microsoft came out with a completely different but equally effective system. You inventing something later shouldn't entitle you to anything other than mockery.
What I care about is that I'll never break another PowerBook by tripping over the power cord or ethernet (although ethernet ended up being solved a different way).
(Actually, I filed the request before the original iBook came out, so it must have been 1998 or 1999, not 2000.)
As others have mentioned, the statute seems to refer to receipts stores print for customers, not receipts customers print for themselves. Since a person has a reasonable expectation of privacy in his home, the protections that apply to privacy in public places are not needed. Even if a person were to print his own receipt in a public place, the receipt would be in his control, not the store's. In addition, a person concerned about someone assessing financial information on his computer that has not been printed out is responsible for protecting it himself.
This entry rubs against one of my pet peeves about laymen using legal terms. Just about anyone can file a lawsuit asking that it be a class action. But, a case only becomes a class action if it passes certain requirements and a court certifies it. Initial filings are never class actions.
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The LED wasn't on the end of the plug, it was in the receptacle on the iBook.
oh sorry
all i remember was the light shining on it
I wonder if anyone has patented ceilings with lights on them? I'm going to, and then I'm going to sue everyone who sells ceilings that use lights to light rooms. Empty your bank account now, boys.
That's so funny!
And original!
some idiot comes along and invents a class that might actually include me,
since I've bought a few things from the Apple Online store.
I feel dirty now.
The outcome is what I expected. He cannot comment on it, but it is him. No, I won't give you his email or phone so you can annoy him. I have a lot of respect for the guy.
Wtf asked for his email?
The fact that Apple is continuing to violate this is stupid on their part and consumers have a right to complain. In fact, if consumers don't complain then they are effectively saying that it is okay to allow the violation to continue. There really is no reason why Apple cannot comply with such a simple legal requirement. No one on this forum has any reason to lambaste those involved in this suit because Apple is clearly in the wrong.
This fact doesn't mean I like Apple's products any less. However, it makes me wonder if they have any other compliance issues that could put my personal information at risk of exposure. Let's hope that Apple can make a quick adjustment to their e-commerce software to bring them in compliance with the law.
Regards,
Koose
Careful, the original TiBooks did not ship with those adapters at first, they had the Yo-Yo adapter. But the newer adapters came out in the next revision, still well prior to 2004.
It doesn't matter when a patent is granted. What matters is when the patent application was filed, what prior art (public or Apple-internal) existed, and what would have been non-obvious at that time to someone versed in the field.
Zito's patents in this case were both filed in April 2002.
Zito's patents in this case were both filed in April 2002.
Some are claiming the Titanium PowerBook of 2001 wasn't originally shipped with an LED power adapter. While I can't speak to those claims, I can say with absolute certainty that the Ti Book I purchased in April 2002 came with an LED connector on the power adapter, that the LED was in the tip of the connector, and that it glowed amber when the battery was charging and green when the battery was charged. April 2002 was the same month Zito filed his patents. Even if April 2002 was the very first month Apple made the LED power adapter available, there is no way the company designed and began producing this product virtually overnight. In my opinion, Apple will have a very strong defense, with a ton of prior art that it owns.
I'll repeat my earlier speculation that Zito is primarily peeved by Apple's redesigned power adapter for the MacBook Pro, which looks more similar to Zito's design, but which functions identically to Apple's earlier design vis a vis its use of a multi-color, multi-state LED indicator. Zito's patent is not a design patent, and furthermore, in accommodating Apple's new MagSafe technology, it would have been obvious to Apple that a different style of LED was needed.
It doesn't matter when a patent is granted. What matters is when the patent application was filed, what prior art (public or Apple-internal) existed, and what would have been non-obvious at that time to someone versed in the field.
Zito's patents in this case were both filed in April 2002.
Nothing would make me happier then the government or someone getting involved here, and finally putting an end to this bull sh t!!!
If anyone sues someone in a class action lawsuit for any amount of money, and they lose - they in turn have to pay the same amount to who they just lost against, as the amount they were suing for i.e., if they sure for 1 Million doolars and lose, they have to pay Apple or whomever they were suing, 1 million dollars PLUS all legal fees. And tell me this wouldn't make lawyers think before making these stupid Fu&^(*KING claims!
Hell, someone earlier noted - Apples cost more because of this shit!
How can this guy have received a patent for this in 2004 when apple's power adaptors have had the status light at least since the Ti Book was first released?
WTF is USPTO doing? Just signing off on every application that crosses their desks?
I think it's as stupid a patent as the next guy, but exaggeration doesn't help. The Titanium Powerbooks most certainly did not have charge lights. Those systems originally shipped with "yo yo" adapters. Even the first generation of white G3 iBooks shipped with the yo yo (at least at first).
I think it's as stupid a patent as the next guy, but exaggeration doesn't help. The Titanium Powerbooks most certainly did not have charge lights. Those systems originally shipped with "yo yo" adapters. Even the first generation of white G3 iBooks shipped with the yo yo (at least at first).
You apparently missed my post just a few lines earlier where I report that my Ti Book shipped in April 2002 had the new power adapter, with LED indicator in the power connector.
Big deal.
My HP printer and LG cellphone both have lights on the plugs to indicate status - the LG one is orange while charging and green while charged and the HP one is green while there's power to it.
Big deal.
You say that just because the technology is passe today? Sorry, that's not how the patent system works. The government created the patent system so that good ideas will be publicly disseminated, rather than kept secret, while rewarding the inventor with an exclusive right to market their ideas for a few years.
Zito's patents in this case were both filed in April 2002.
Zito is the lawyer. Harvey is the patent owner.
I know that it is difficult to see our favorite computer company getting sued. It seems it happens often. While I think the power adapter suit lacks merit, the law could not be anymore clear on what credit card information can be displayed upon the close of any point-of-sale transaction. If more than the last five digits of a credit card are displayed, whether it be on a display device or on a printed receipt, then a violation occurs. There is no gray area for this issue. Go to any other e-commerce site and purchase something. You will see when the confirmation screen comes up that there will be a series of asterisks or something else followed by the last 4 or 5 digits of the credit card.
The fact that Apple is continuing to violate this is stupid on their part and consumers have a right to complain. In fact, if consumers don't complain then they are effectively saying that it is okay to allow the violation to continue. There really is no reason why Apple cannot comply with such a simple legal requirement. No one on this forum has any reason to lambaste those involved in this suit because Apple is clearly in the wrong.
This fact doesn't mean I like Apple's products any less. However, it makes me wonder if they have any other compliance issues that could put my personal information at risk of exposure. Let's hope that Apple can make a quick adjustment to their e-commerce software to bring them in compliance with the law.
Regards,
Koose
I've checked all of the receipts from the iTunes Store, Apple Online, and the receipts that are emailed to me from the retail locations, and on all of them all that is shown is the last 4 digits of my card and a confirmation number, the only date shown is the date of purchase. Same is true for the printed receipts from the retail store.
Ken LaDere
www.ikenfixit.com
I have no doubt as to the theft of the adapter LED if the man in question was contacted by Apple corp. I own www.ikenfixit.com and had been contacted by apple in 2004 regarding my view on Apples notebooks. The mistake I made was telling the corporate dickhead via the phone about the design Our company came up with to eliminate 90% of common laptop failures. (Mag-Safe). The name and magnetic interface was used without our authorization or basically stolen from me. A good friend Scott Kamber who specializes in Class action, As well as us being Witness to Pandemic defects feels it would be pointless to persue as I didnt get my Idea patented prior to spilling my beans. If the Novi Mi. gentleman reads this contact me via the web as I have proof to the fact we designed and thought of the Mag-safe adapter which I intended to sell to Most of the manufacturers. (Had an HP Exec in the shop 8 Mo's prior on an emergency weekend repair)...Good luck all and we love reading these posts!
Ken LaDere
www.ikenfixit.com
Hopefully, Apple still has the email I sent them in 2000 requesting they add magnetic connectors to their power adapters.
What I care about is that I'll never break another PowerBook by tripping over the power cord or ethernet (although ethernet ended up being solved a different way).
(Actually, I filed the request before the original iBook came out, so it must have been 1998 or 1999, not 2000.)
This entry rubs against one of my pet peeves about laymen using legal terms. Just about anyone can file a lawsuit asking that it be a class action. But, a case only becomes a class action if it passes certain requirements and a court certifies it. Initial filings are never class actions.