Apple says 17-inch iMac still available; more hardware tidbits

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  • Reply 21 of 49
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,951member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ApplePi View Post


    Just because AppleInsider believes the mini is on it's way out doesn't mean Apple does. Sounds to me like it isn't. It got a nice little refresh.



    Oh and what is a "titbit"?



    If you're using a Mac in English, there's little excuse to ask.



    The Apple dictionary (from OED):



    tidbit |ˈtidˌbit| (also chiefly Brit. titbit |ˈtit-|)

    noun

    a small piece of tasty food.

    • a small and particularly interesting item of gossip or information.



    It's probably a typo that happened to hit the British spelling, so it didn't show up as a spelling error.
  • Reply 22 of 49
    cosmonutcosmonut Posts: 4,872member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    Checks with the Apple online store continue to reflect lead times of 4- 6 weeks for the peripheral, which should be available for the holiday rush.



    GOOD! 'Cause I just know the new tiny Apple keyboard will be this year's Tickle Me Elmo or Cabbage Patch Kid.



    Let me know if anybody loses an eye clamoring for these things.



    (see signature)
  • Reply 23 of 49
    nagrommenagromme Posts: 2,834member
    The short tail is a big improvement in my book! Get an extension cable if you need it, but otherwise I'd rather do without the tangle!



    Is the new mouse laser, like the wireless one always has been? (As opposed to just optical?)
  • Reply 24 of 49
    louzerlouzer Posts: 1,054member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ApplePi View Post


    Just because AppleInsider believes the mini is on it's way out doesn't mean Apple does. Sounds to me like it isn't. It got a nice little refresh.



    Oh and what is a "titbit"?



    Did you bother looking at the update? All they did was swap out a processor. Oh, and and add more RAM, I think. That's it. No 'n' networking. No improved graphics. No faster hard drives. Nothing else. It would've been a nice refresh 6-9 months ago, but its more of a sign now that Apple doesn't consider the computer that important.
  • Reply 25 of 49
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,951member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by zorinlynx View Post


    I suppose it's possible that OS X uses a drive in a different way that makes it less likely to fail, but it's doubtful.



    Apple, Dell, Gateway, etc. all use the same hard drives. There's nothing "special" about the drive in a Mac other than Apple putting a logo on the OEM sticker. If we have several thousand Dells, each with one hard drive, I expect the failure rate to be about the same as if we have several thousand iMacs, each with one hard drive.



    Unless someone shows me hard evidence that drives fail less often on Macs, I won't believe it though. Much as I like Apple, when it comes to hard drives everyone drinks from the same wells.



    I really don't think that there's a major difference either. However, My Windows machines seem to hit the system drive once every two seconds, whether or not it's doing any thing obvious. It drove me nuts because I have some old 15kRPM SCSI drives which I only hear the click when it seeks. click click click click click click It gets old. My Macs do hit the drive periodically, but not as often.
  • Reply 26 of 49
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,951member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nagromme View Post


    The short tail is a big improvement in my book! Get an extension cable if you need it, but otherwise I'd rather do without the tangle!



    If you really are interested in doing without the "tangle" (which has never arose in my experience), you can go wireless. Your suggestion of an extension cable seems to suggest you've really never used one, it's not a very good way to go, I have a few and they don't work that well. One could use Apple's extension cord, those might be better, but oops, they designed it to work only with their keyboard and nothing else.
  • Reply 27 of 49
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,951member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CosmoNut View Post


    GOOD! 'Cause I just know the new tiny Apple keyboard will be this year's Tickle Me Elmo or Cabbage Patch Kid.



    Let me know if anybody loses an eye clamoring for these things.



    I don't think that was the point. Apple usually gets a good number of sales during the holiday season, and they've never been implicated in a violent ruckus.



    Quote:

    (see signature)



    I turned off signature display long ago because most sigs are crap and are just clutter. It is accessible though the public profile though.
  • Reply 28 of 49
    nchianchia Posts: 124member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    Mighty Mouse gets its tail trimmed



    ...



    In order to reduce desktop clutter, the new iMacs ship with a Mighty Mouse whose cord has been trimmed from 30 inches down to 18.5 inches...



    Surely that can't be in INCHES!!! Is the cord really two and a half feet long??
  • Reply 29 of 49
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TheToe View Post


    Depends. If they have a thousand Macs, then that's not a bad replace rate. I'd say for every hundred Macs, you're going to need to replace 1-3 drives per year.



    In a school, you may be forced to use computers for 5 years or more.\\.



    Ok, good point, however the drive should last more than 5 years unless it is overheated.
  • Reply 30 of 49
    macgregormacgregor Posts: 1,434member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by zorinlynx View Post


    All the iMacs, even the new ones, are lousy for labs in schools. Why? It's a pain in the ass to replace the hard drive.



    On average here we replace a hard drive every couple of months.



    Wow, you have to open up a computer once every couple of months!?!?!?!



    How can you take that pressure?!?!?!?!



    Okay, I understand and yes, it would be nice if there were a simple opening system 'a la Mac Pro that could give you access and even perhaps give you a chance to replace the screen.* A real education product would do that. However having seen iMacs used along side Dells, I really didn't notice the Macs being much of a pain in the museum lab situation.



    It would appear the old white iMac LCD is today's iMac CRT reborn. Inexpensive AIO with lots of capability and the students like using them.



    * I think if LCD or LED screens are such commodities, there should be an easy way to replace them - thus eliminating one of the biggest problems with an AIO.
  • Reply 31 of 49
    mrpiddlymrpiddly Posts: 406member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by zorinlynx View Post


    All the iMacs, even the new ones, are lousy for labs in schools. Why?






    Because all the kid just sit there and bang on their computer wondering where the hell their precious start menu has gone off to.















  • Reply 32 of 49
    blah64blah64 Posts: 993member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mstone View Post


    I wish they would hurry up and release a NEW mouse because the current offering is quite unsatisfactory.



    Primarily my complaint is, the scroll ball is always getting clogged up with dust and there is no suitable way to clean it other than turning it upside down and violently scratching across a clean cloth surface such as your jeans. It is worse than the old days of track ball mice.



    Seriously, has anyone else encountered this? Or not encountered this? We have a G5 iMac with mighty mouse that's in use a few hours every day by 2 people, and we've NEVER had to clean the scroll ball even once! I think you need to wash your hands occasionally, or something in your environment is really nasty. ??



    Quote:

    Secondly, the side buttons are constantly triggering when least expected - right when I'm concentrating on cutting a path around an image in Photoshop. An actual right button not withstanding, the whole thing is quite inferior to even Microsoft's mouse.



    Can't speak to this one. I don't have that problem, but I could see someone with a different grip having issues....
  • Reply 33 of 49
    nvidia2008nvidia2008 Posts: 9,262member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post


    I really don't think that there's a major difference either. However, My Windows machines seem to hit the system drive once every two seconds, whether or not it's doing any thing obvious. It drove me nuts because I have some old 15kRPM SCSI drives which I only hear the click when it seeks. click click click click click click It gets old. My Macs do hit the drive periodically, but not as often.



    In the past 2 years or so with PC, Mac hard disks, etc, I have not noticed clicking anymore for 5400rpm or 7200rpm drives. Nowadays they have "quietstep", "softsonic", etc. etc. Yeah, maybe 5 years ago for PC you had the ugly red light and clicking noise, though perversely reassuring knowing that the computer *is* actually doing something while you are twiddling your thumbs waiting for something to actually get done. I think even the latest SATA2 10k drives have much reduced noise levels.



    In the past 2 years for my WinXP2Pro PC I disconnected the red light thingy, and given the fan noise (not too loud, but significant as per any PC tower) I can't hear the hard disk at all. On Mac side, I would say for about 3 years now I don't hear any hard disk clicking, only if there is the "click of death" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click_of_death) and even with the click of death usually I have to put my ear closer to the hard disk to actually hear it.
  • Reply 34 of 49
    nvidia2008nvidia2008 Posts: 9,262member
    That said, have you seen Windows Vista on a "mid-range" Dell or HP or Acer or Gateway? Once the "latest" antivirus anti-everything is installed (usually factory installed), I swear HD, RAM, CPU usage, about at least 30% is constantly being sucked away for so-called "security". It is pretty tragic.
  • Reply 35 of 49
    nvidia2008nvidia2008 Posts: 9,262member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Blah64 View Post


    ...but I could see someone with a different grip having issues.... (with the Mighty Mouse)



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mstone View Post


    Secondly, the side buttons are constantly triggering when least expected - right when I'm concentrating on cutting a path around an image in Photoshop..



    You should turn off the side buttons in SystemPreferences... Or otherwise just go Logitech all the way. Logitech is awesome. I dropped my wireless mouse like 15 feet onto a hard floor (accidentally) and no scratch, no "shaky loose bits" noises, everything working well still. Unbelievable.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by samurai1999 View Post


    Why do Americans call 'titbits' 'tidbits'?

    It just doesn't make sense!





    Those British are so rude. Tsk tsk. Here in the colonies, I have only known it as "tidbits" especially when referring to little tasty snacks. Though now, admittedly, "titbits" is also perfectly apt when referring to little tasty snacks of the naughty kind.
  • Reply 36 of 49
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    With the Mac Mini upgrade Apple's entire line of computers are 64-bit. With Leopard, Apple will be the first OEM to be shipping a complete line of 64-bit systems from the H/W to the S/W. An industry first?
  • Reply 37 of 49
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,951member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nvidia2008 View Post


    I think even the latest SATA2 10k drives have much reduced noise levels.



    I'm pretty sensitive about noise. I do agree that 7200RPM drives are generally very quiet. The Seagates don't bother me at all, I never really hear them, they've been fine for me for several years. I do have a couple WD 7.2k units from last year that occasionally bug me.



    I bought a 150GB Raptor for kicks and I thought it was pretty loud on the clicks, and not to mention a negligible performance boost and much less storage over my previous drive arrangement. I returned it. I haven't found any SATA2 10k drives, WD is still on plain SATA for those, according to their site.
  • Reply 38 of 49
    nvidia2008nvidia2008 Posts: 9,262member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post


    I'm pretty sensitive about noise. I do agree that 7200RPM drives are generally very quiet. The Seagates don't bother me at all, I never really hear them, they've been fine for me for several years. I do have a couple WD 7.2k units from last year that occasionally bug me.



    I bought a 150GB Raptor for kicks and I thought it was pretty loud on the clicks, and not to mention a negligible performance boost over my previous drive arrangement. I returned it. I haven't found any SATA2 10k drives, WD is still on plain SATA for those, according to their site.



    Interesting... Have you investigated Hitachi 10ks ? I am curious about the 10k hard disk scene. I would like to set up a dual 10k RAID 0 thingy some time.
  • Reply 39 of 49
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by samurai1999 View Post


    Why do Americans call 'titbits' 'tidbits'?



    It just doesn't make sense!





    The Brits are the ones who fudged the correct spelling.
  • Reply 40 of 49
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,951member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nvidia2008 View Post


    Interesting... Have you investigated Hitachi 10ks ? I am curious about the 10k hard disk scene. I would like to set up a dual 10k RAID 0 thingy some time.



    It sounds interesting, I haven't heard of them making 10k SATAs, I can't find them online. Even if they were available, It would probably be several months before I would try them anyway, if ever. What I had found was that two WD 250GB 7.2k drives striped was very close in most of my tests to a single 150GB 10k, quieter and such too. Maybe two 10ks would really haul, but that's a lot of money, about the price of three 7.2k 750GB drives.
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