...But there is a short delay (milliseconds) to when I click on the shortcut and when the application launches.
On my Windows box at work, I have calculator, address book, and command promp shortcuts in my Quick Launch toolbar in my task bar. When I click on any of those apps, they instantly appear (zero delay). While we are talking milliseconds ...
Milliseconds, you say?
How many thousand times per day do you launch these things? With OS X you 'suffer' the milliseconds launch time once and leave them open. Job done.
Hey guys, just got my new Macbook today (The 2.16GHz model)
But I'm having issues with speed, I did my research so I knew that things wouldn't be that quick until I got a RAM upgrade, but opening iPhoto (the older version) is a real pain - it takes ages to get all my photos open (I don't even have too many of them - less than 50). I can't believe I'm going to have to get more RAM just to view my photos (say it ain't so!), I'm wondering is this type of sluggishness common place (on 1GB RAM) or do I need to take a trip to my nearby apple shop?
Other than this I'm finding the OS quite excellent (except for the fact my modem doesn't want to work with it). Thanks for any help!
I have a 2.16 c2d macbook pro with 2 Gb ram, and it takes about one second to open iPhoto (version 6) with 616 pictures in it.
How many thousand times per day do you launch these things? With OS X you 'suffer' the milliseconds launch time once and leave them open. Job done.
I don't suffer at all. The point of my post is that it is slower. A modern OS running on state-of-art architecture should instantly launch certain apps.
I don't suffer at all. The point of my post is that it is slower. A modern OS running on state-of-art architecture should instantly launch certain apps.
Ummm. No. A modern OS still needs to load something from the drive and that takes time. Then the modern OS needs to build the links to already shared memory regions and update the tables that resolve that. Otherwise you can't do the neat things that modern OSs do.
What you really want is a modern application that is written with the modern OS in mind. It is mindlessly stupid that most apps want to load their WHOLE functionality at launch BEFORE allowing the user to do anything. My god, we have the dynamically loadable libraries, pull that extra functionality in in the background while you let the user get something done. Or at least let Dave feel better!
But then that would require programmers to unlearn their irrational fear of threading and a little bit of proper synchronization technique. We know that's not happening in the next 5 years...
Dude, it's not the OS that's slow. It's doing a shit-pot more today that it ever did before and has wonderful capabilities that largely sit there ignored by idiotic oxygen robbing wanna-be-coders who think they can program.
Hey guys, just got my new Macbook today (The 2.16GHz model)
But I'm having issues with speed, I did my research so I knew that things wouldn't be that quick until I got a RAM upgrade, but opening iPhoto (the older version) is a real pain - it takes ages to get all my photos open (I don't even have too many of them - less than 50). I can't believe I'm going to have to get more RAM just to view my photos (say it ain't so!), I'm wondering is this type of sluggishness common place (on 1GB RAM) or do I need to take a trip to my nearby apple shop?
Other than this I'm finding the OS quite excellent (except for the fact my modem doesn't want to work with it). Thanks for any help!
I also just got a new 2.16MBP and am amazed at how fast it has been. The thing sometimes boots up in about 20s. And quite often, an app will start up in one bounce.
Damn Dave K. you hit the nail on the heaqd with that one. About multiple apps, I take for granted that I am running 8-9 apps all the time sometimes more when working, but on PC if you get to the 4th app (or window) on 2 gHz machine, you might crash and burn, it's crazy, but that is important, and the speed to boot is about the same for windows and macs, as far as when they are ready to use. BUt it's wierd cause you can run 25 apps on a mac if you want to and on a PC you can't get past 6 or 7 nor does the interface really allow for that kind of running... oh well...
Damn Dave K. you hit the nail on the heaqd with that one. About multiple apps, I take for granted that I am running 8-9 apps all the time sometimes more when working, but on PC if you get to the 4th app (or window) on 2 gHz machine, you might crash and burn, it's crazy, but that is important, and the speed to boot is about the same for windows and macs, as far as when they are ready to use. BUt it's wierd cause you can run 25 apps on a mac if you want to and on a PC you can't get past 6 or 7 nor does the interface really allow for that kind of running... oh well...
Agreed. When I point out to my PC using buddies that I frequently have around 12-15 apps running, and up to 60-75 windows open at *once* some days, and it's still cranking strong... in 1GB... they kind of get quiet. It's great.
What you give up in instantaneous launches (which really is kind of just another form of eye-candy on most systems - it's only useful if you have to continually quit apps to launch others, because the OS can't handle the many-app load...) you more than make up for in other abilities.
Thanks for the help, as I mentioned, I have iPhoto running nice and quickly now, with both photos and movies there. I thought I'd also let you know how my OS X experience has been, after just a week of frustration, enjoyment and those "light bulb moments".
To be honest, after letting myself be all hyped up to using a brand new OS, I'm a bit underwhelmed at the fact that at the end of the day it is just an OS. It is also a hell of a lot more convenient to use than Windows. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a full-fledged Mac aficionado just yet - I still enjoy using Windows, but for what I need to do the Mac is a much better fit.
I'm a big fan of the attention to detail. Things like watching a movie trailer on front row, the easier cord wrapping on the plug (I know, I'm such a geek), and having built in bluetooth are awesome. Wireless is so much better as well…it trumps the £30 wireless adapted I bought for my old laptop .
Also, contrary to what I thought, it's actually fairly easy to adapt to using the operating system. Expose is a lifesaver, I can't imagine using the OS without it, and I'm getting used to the multi-application philosophy explained a little further up - although my main instinct is to close as soon as I finish using it. I also occasionally go back to old habits of shutting down the Macbook (perhaps paranoia on my part).
My disappointment is really directed at the .Mac service, which is really a bit lacking. I use iGoogle, but the interface is like fisher price...I'd want to see Apple have something a lot better, especially if they are going to charge me £70 a year for .Mac, which has also has less space than iGoogle.
The built-in spellcheck has helped me create this very post, I'm loving the little features, and really looking forward to Leopard. Only slightly upset that I'm going to have to pay for iLife '08, which leads to my final question - is it that much better than iLife '06 (especially if I'll be using just iMovie *which I'm actually fine with* and iPhoto)?
I'm all smiles and loving my new Mac! Thanks for the help guys!
Regarding iLife 08, we got it last week and the only thing that stood apart as a really positive change was iPhoto. The interface is more polished and it runs faster. The extra features like events and the new import method make it a great improvement. iDVD has a few new themes and encoding times have improved a lot. However we have been plagued with slideshow transition issues (green screen flashing) and out of sync audio on certain slideshows. It needs updating but it's usable. iMovie, though, has been a disappointment. The lack of some features forced us to go back to iMovie HD (previous version). I hope Apple makes a better version of iMovie that surpasses iMovie HD 06 for iLife 10.
All those teeny apps like calc, dict load instantly on my macbook. iphoto window appears after a second and all photos loaded after just over 4 seconds. my macbook is 1.83ghz CD. Second launch of iphoto loads everything in around 2 seconds including all the photos. I find the whole "everything launches instantly in windows" to be somewhat of a myth anyway. IE7 in windows definately loads more slowly than safari in osX for example. With safari 3 it has become more or less instant on my macbook.
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Eyecandy & background processes cost you. MS-DOS was super snappy too ...
All depends on your level of patience.
...But there is a short delay (milliseconds) to when I click on the shortcut and when the application launches.
On my Windows box at work, I have calculator, address book, and command promp shortcuts in my Quick Launch toolbar in my task bar. When I click on any of those apps, they instantly appear (zero delay). While we are talking milliseconds ...
Milliseconds, you say?
How many thousand times per day do you launch these things? With OS X you 'suffer' the milliseconds launch time once and leave them open. Job done.
Hey guys, just got my new Macbook today
But I'm having issues with speed, I did my research so I knew that things wouldn't be that quick until I got a RAM upgrade, but opening iPhoto (the older version) is a real pain - it takes ages to get all my photos open (I don't even have too many of them - less than 50). I can't believe I'm going to have to get more RAM just to view my photos (say it ain't so!), I'm wondering is this type of sluggishness common place (on 1GB RAM) or do I need to take a trip to my nearby apple shop?
Other than this I'm finding the OS quite excellent (except for the fact my modem doesn't want to work with it). Thanks for any help!
I have a 2.16 c2d macbook pro with 2 Gb ram, and it takes about one second to open iPhoto (version 6) with 616 pictures in it.
why aren't you all using calculator as a dashboard widget?
Dashboard takes to long to load.
Milliseconds, you say?
How many thousand times per day do you launch these things? With OS X you 'suffer' the milliseconds launch time once and leave them open. Job done.
I don't suffer at all. The point of my post is that it is slower. A modern OS running on state-of-art architecture should instantly launch certain apps.
I don't suffer at all. The point of my post is that it is slower. A modern OS running on state-of-art architecture should instantly launch certain apps.
Ummm. No. A modern OS still needs to load something from the drive and that takes time. Then the modern OS needs to build the links to already shared memory regions and update the tables that resolve that. Otherwise you can't do the neat things that modern OSs do.
What you really want is a modern application that is written with the modern OS in mind. It is mindlessly stupid that most apps want to load their WHOLE functionality at launch BEFORE allowing the user to do anything. My god, we have the dynamically loadable libraries, pull that extra functionality in in the background while you let the user get something done. Or at least let Dave feel better!
But then that would require programmers to unlearn their irrational fear of threading and a little bit of proper synchronization technique. We know that's not happening in the next 5 years...
Dude, it's not the OS that's slow. It's doing a shit-pot more today that it ever did before and has wonderful capabilities that largely sit there ignored by idiotic oxygen robbing wanna-be-coders who think they can program.
Hey guys, just got my new Macbook today
But I'm having issues with speed, I did my research so I knew that things wouldn't be that quick until I got a RAM upgrade, but opening iPhoto (the older version) is a real pain - it takes ages to get all my photos open (I don't even have too many of them - less than 50). I can't believe I'm going to have to get more RAM just to view my photos (say it ain't so!), I'm wondering is this type of sluggishness common place (on 1GB RAM) or do I need to take a trip to my nearby apple shop?
Other than this I'm finding the OS quite excellent (except for the fact my modem doesn't want to work with it). Thanks for any help!
I also just got a new 2.16MBP and am amazed at how fast it has been. The thing sometimes boots up in about 20s. And quite often, an app will start up in one bounce.
Yes! It's meant to be sooooo slow.
Dashboard takes to long to load.
buy 4gigs ram and put dashboard in your login items. job done!
Damn Dave K. you hit the nail on the heaqd with that one. About multiple apps, I take for granted that I am running 8-9 apps all the time sometimes more when working, but on PC if you get to the 4th app (or window) on 2 gHz machine, you might crash and burn, it's crazy, but that is important, and the speed to boot is about the same for windows and macs, as far as when they are ready to use. BUt it's wierd cause you can run 25 apps on a mac if you want to and on a PC you can't get past 6 or 7 nor does the interface really allow for that kind of running... oh well...
Agreed. When I point out to my PC using buddies that I frequently have around 12-15 apps running, and up to 60-75 windows open at *once* some days, and it's still cranking strong... in 1GB... they kind of get quiet. It's great.
What you give up in instantaneous launches (which really is kind of just another form of eye-candy on most systems - it's only useful if you have to continually quit apps to launch others, because the OS can't handle the many-app load...) you more than make up for in other abilities.
To be honest, after letting myself be all hyped up to using a brand new OS, I'm a bit underwhelmed at the fact that at the end of the day it is just an OS. It is also a hell of a lot more convenient to use than Windows. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a full-fledged Mac aficionado just yet - I still enjoy using Windows, but for what I need to do the Mac is a much better fit.
I'm a big fan of the attention to detail. Things like watching a movie trailer on front row, the easier cord wrapping on the plug (I know, I'm such a geek), and having built in bluetooth are awesome. Wireless is so much better as well…it trumps the £30 wireless adapted I bought for my old laptop
Also, contrary to what I thought, it's actually fairly easy to adapt to using the operating system. Expose is a lifesaver, I can't imagine using the OS without it, and I'm getting used to the multi-application philosophy explained a little further up - although my main instinct is to close as soon as I finish using it. I also occasionally go back to old habits of shutting down the Macbook (perhaps paranoia on my part).
My disappointment is really directed at the .Mac service, which is really a bit lacking. I use iGoogle, but the interface is like fisher price...I'd want to see Apple have something a lot better, especially if they are going to charge me £70 a year for .Mac, which has also has less space than iGoogle.
The built-in spellcheck has helped me create this very post, I'm loving the little features, and really looking forward to Leopard. Only slightly upset that I'm going to have to pay for iLife '08, which leads to my final question - is it that much better than iLife '06 (especially if I'll be using just iMovie *which I'm actually fine with* and iPhoto)?
I'm all smiles and loving my new Mac! Thanks for the help guys!