Why I like the Apple "Safari" Browser

fellowship · March 4, 2003 12:13AM

FAST!!!!!!!! FAST!!!!!!! FAST!!!!!! Is this my iBook? I have never browsed the internet on my iBook this fast. I still have the same old problem on the BBC website where if I load it up and use the scroll bar the whole site gets jumbled up. Using the up and down arrow keys does not jumble it but if you drag the scroll bar it does. Only on my mac does the BBC site mess up on all browsers. On my PC it works fine. Same with the MSNBC website Safari does not use the virtual popout windows on the grey menue bar on the top left of the MSNBC site as IE does on my PC. All that aside did I say FAST????

Thank you apple for one more thing. FASTER SCROLLING!!

I hate slow scrolling on other mac browsers. Safari has FAST scrolling like my PC.

FAST FAST FAST I almost feel like I am on my PC.

I am not sure what I think of the tired old "brushed metal" look but I could get used to it. The buttons look like a bad microsoft design. Maybe apple will improve the look on the final product.

For a beta work good work apple.

Fellowship

[ 03-04-2003: Message edited by: FellowshipChurch iBook ]

fellowship · March 4, 2003 12:27AM

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!! The backspace or "delete" key works to take you back a page!!!

Ohhh Thanks!!!! This iBook is not so bad now!

Fellows

frawgz · March 4, 2003 12:57AM

[quote]Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook:

I still have the same old problem on the BBC website where if I load it up and use the scroll bar the whole site gets jumbled up. Using the up and down arrow keys does not jumble it but if you drag the scroll bar it does. Only on my mac does the BBC site mess up on all browsers.<hr></blockquote>

This sounds like the Java redrawing bug... why hasn't this been fixed yet?!

mount_my_floppy · March 4, 2003 1:20AM

I also like command and a number key will load witch ever number bookmark you have in your bookmark bar. I foudn that one out tonight.

overhope · March 4, 2003 3:21AM

The javascript redraws are badly compromised in Safari at the moment: someone at Apple has a stack of bug reports from me about it...

stunned · March 4, 2003 8:45AM

Yup, Safari is really a great browser. I no longer need to run IE and Chimera at the same time now.

artman @_@ · March 4, 2003 10:17AM

Funny, I still think Safari needs a lot of work. Third rate browser as far as I'm concerned. It has practically no new features or features that are better than other browsers. It's slow on my G3 700 iMac. I'll keep downloading it though. It is still beta, and it performs like one to me.

But IE has always been a faster browser here. On a 56Kb modem too. Netscape comes in second. I'm clueless as to what all the excitement all is with Safari. Only that it may have promise... <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

amorph · March 4, 2003 10:45AM

Well, YMDV, but for me Safari is a no-brainer. It's F-A-A-A-S-T for me, slick, compliant enough (I don't visit a lot of JavaScript-heavy sites), and its leanness is actually an advantage. It's trivially easy to set up and go, and the interface gets out of the way. The lead engineer has said that they haven't really begun optimizing it in earnest. They're whipping up the standards compliance first, which makes sense.

It's still progressing nicely, which sets it apart from just about every other browser - Mozilla and derivatives being the other exception.

bancho · March 4, 2003 11:17AM

My experience is completely positive so far. I am using it on a 700 iBook and the thing is quite fast.

It is not perfect (yet) but for beta software I think it's doing extremely well. I'm sticking with it as my primary browser.

ra · March 4, 2003 12:45PM

I just wish Apple would ditch the brushed metal and give us a real toolbar <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />

kickaha · March 4, 2003 1:01PM

And there's the difference between Apple and MS.

MS produced IE, and other browser makers have to roll their own from scratch.

Apple produced Safari, and other browser makers can use the same core code, adding the specific UI features that *their* users want. Safari is a test bed for ensuring that the basic web browsing (XHTML, XML, CSS) experience is solid, not as the end all and be all of browsers, like MS wants IE to be.

Expect to see other browser companies (OmniWeb comes to mind) using the WebCore libraries to make stellar browsers that are far more standards compatible than what we're used to.

Don't expect to see Safari perform every trick and jump through every hoop your little heart desires... instead, look to the other browsers for that. Safari is a basic proof of concept for the libraries, and that's about it.

mrmister · March 4, 2003 1:19PM

I'll bet Safari performs a little better than that, but Kick's point is absolutely true: thanks to WebCore, it's going to be win-win all around.

serrano · March 4, 2003 1:27PM

[quote]Originally posted by Artman @_@:

Funny, I still think Safari needs a lot of work. Third rate browser as far as I'm concerned. It has practically no new features or features that are better than other browsers. It's slow on my G3 700 iMac. I'll keep downloading it though. It is still beta, and it performs like one to me.

But IE has always been a faster browser here. On a 56Kb modem too. Netscape comes in second. I'm clueless as to what all the excitement all is with Safari. Only that it may have promise...

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IE? Are you kidding me? It's almost half the speed of Safari. Perhaps your slow line means that you're waiting on data and not the browsers rendering system. Safari is as stable as a beta, but its speed is amazing.

The google tool bar is something not available on other Mac browsers.

fyi i'm on a 1.5mb cable

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fran441 · March 4, 2003 1:31PM

I think the Java bug might be fixed when we see Java 1.4.1 released for Mac OS X.

amorph · March 4, 2003 1:36PM

[quote]Originally posted by Kickaha:

And there's the difference between Apple and MS.

MS produced IE, and other browser makers have to roll their own from scratch.

Apple produced Safari, and other browser makers can use the same core code, adding the specific UI features that *their* users want. Safari is a test bed for ensuring that the basic web browsing (XHTML, XML, CSS) experience is solid, not as the end all and be all of browsers, like MS wants IE to be.

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It also gets around a basic design problem that MS constantly runs into (and exploits, really): By making the engine standard rather than the application, Apple can design a browser that has only the options that most people need, is only as complicated as most people need, and therefor has a clean, simple interface for everyday use by normal people. People who need specialized or pro capabilities can use other browsers without breaking compatibility with Apple's. Unless you're a monopolist gunning for absolute control, this is the right way to go about things: Simple designs rarely scale up to meet advanced needs, and advanced designs rarely scale down to meet simple needs. Apple's approach accomodates both.

It also allows for apps that use XML and company to be compatible with Mac browsers - and to piggyback on Apple's work - even if they are used to process data, or edit code in a text editor, or some other use that has nothing to do with a browser.

I'm looking forward to OmniWeb 5. If they do adopt WebCore, look out.

mount_my_floppy · March 4, 2003 2:03PM

[quote] give us a real toolbar <hr></blockquote>

When have you seen an iApp with pro level options, Yes I consider safari an iapp.

artman @_@ · March 4, 2003 3:17PM

[quote]Originally posted by serrano:



IE? Are you kidding me? It's almost half the speed of Safari. Perhaps your slow line means that you're waiting on data and not the browsers rendering system. Safari is as stable as a beta, but its speed is amazing.

The google tool bar is something not available on other Mac browsers.

fyi i'm on a 1.5mb cable

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I.don't.see.any.speed.increase. It's slower than IE and Netscape.

Of all of Apple's software it seems that Safari is just the only one that sucks right now. But it is an app/in/beta...so I'll stick with IE...which has never crashed on me in OS X...Safari has, once.

Excuse me for not jumping on the happy train...

tchwojko · March 4, 2003 3:31PM

Safari + 10.2.4 is crashing very consistently for me.

Otherwise, I really like it.

buonrotto · March 4, 2003 4:23PM

The narrowband probably has a lot to do with your experience, Artman. I think everyone who has broadband has noticed the speed, and I'd bet, like OmniWeb, that it performs that much better with a high-speed connection.

With dial-up, isn't the actual transfer of data across the line the weak link in the process? In broadband, I think the weak link is the actual rendering of conrtent to the screen.

leonis · March 4, 2003 5:33PM

I really don't like Safari's lack of "back" and "forward" feature in the contextual menu. I hate moving mouse all the way up to click those buttons

amorph · March 4, 2003 5:40PM

[quote]Originally posted by Leonis:

I really don't like Safari's lack of "back" and "forward" feature in the contextual menu. I hate moving mouse all the way up to click those buttons

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I suppose command-left arrow and command-right arrow aren't worthy substitutes?

Why I like the Apple "Safari" Browser

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