You aren't getting it. While it doesn't help, it's not the dialing that's the core problem. The fact that you are talking on the phone at all is a significant distraction.
Study 1 = Behavioral Effects of Driver Distraction and Alcohol Impairment
Study 2 = A Comparison of the Cell Phone Driver and the Drunk Driver
Show me a study that does not relate this activity to Drunk Driving, or taking drugs. Voice dialing vs no voice dialing. Talking only and not some person texting or emailing while driving like I see all the time while I am on the road to work.
You need to use your head when driving. Using your logic talking to another person in the car should also cause the same problem having the radio on also the same problem and so on.
We don't need anymore stupid laws on the books. We can't get drunk drivers off the road with the police we have and now you want them to be dealing with people on cell phones.
This comment was made:
Driving is a privilege. No two ways about it. If you don't use that privilege responsibly then eventually you'll lose that privilege.
Now lets see what else we can add to it.
Drinking is a privilege. No two ways about it. If you don't use that privilege responsibly then eventually you'll lose that privilege.
Flying is a privilege. No two ways about it. If you don't use that privilege responsibly then eventually you'll lose that privilege.
Voting is a privilege. No two ways about it. If you don't use that privilege responsibly then eventually you'll lose that privilege.
Smoking is a privilege. No two ways about it. If you don't use that privilege responsibly then eventually you'll lose that privilege.
Boating is a privilege. No two ways about it. If you don't use that privilege responsibly then eventually you'll lose that privilege.
and so on......
One of the largest car manufactures in the world GM puts hands free coms in every car it sells why would that be?
Why should they let cars be built that can drive faster than the posted speed limit?
The fact is in more and more states it requires voice dialing if you are to use your phone while driving and the iPhone should support it.
Study 1 = Behavioral Effects of Driver Distraction and Alcohol Impairment
Study 2 = A Comparison of the Cell Phone Driver and the Drunk Driver
Show me a study that does not relate this activity to Drunk Driving, or taking drugs. Voice dialing vs no voice dialing. Talking only and not some person texting or emailing while driving like I see all the time while I am on the road to work.
You need to use your head when driving. Using your logic talking to another person in the car should also cause the same problem having the radio on also the same problem and so on.
We don't need anymore stupid laws on the books. We can't get drunk drivers off the road with the police we have and now you want them to be dealing with people on cell phones.
Show me where I advocated cell phone laws. That was not the point that I was making. The point is that talking on the phone is risky. Voice dialing vs. no voice dialing is a smaller factor as most of the time is talking, not dialing.
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One of the largest car manufactures in the world GM puts hands free coms in every car it sells why would that be?
Because of market demand, by a market of buyers that somehow assumes that hand-free is safer, but that's a misconception.
"Because of market demand, by a market of buyers that somehow assumes that hand-free is safer, but that's a misconception"
You have to keep in mind your studies are based on non touch screen only models of cell phones. And they are much easier to dial by touch than the iPhone is.
"Because of market demand, by a market of buyers that somehow assumes that hand-free is safer, but that's a misconception"
You have to keep in mind your studies are based on non touch screen only models of cell phones. And they are much easier to dial by touch than the iPhone is.
That's true, and that likely does add to the risk, but what I'm saying is that it doesn't excuse actually using any kind of phone while driving in the first place.
This is out dated data. It also tells me the only reason why talking with a passenger is better is because they share the driving.
" The passenger may monitor the surrounding traffic, and respond to changes indriving demands. This supportive behavior can be explicit, for example by referring to traffic dangers, or more implicit by moderating the conversational flow in response toincreased difficulty of the driving task. Of course, this assumes that the passenger has at least a rudimentary understanding of potential dangers of traffic and the driving task. Directing the driver’s attention towards potential danger creates situation awareness (Endsley, 1995) of the surrounding traffic that is shared by the driver and the passenger."
It also tells me this was based on a simulator not real driving in taffic in real cars.
It also tells me this was based on a simulator not real driving in taffic in real cars.
A simulator in itself isn't a problem. A simulator works to weed out external uncontrollable variables. You can't do that with real traffic.
The "outdated" data argument doesn't make sense, the human factor of someone talking to someone that's not present vs. present doesn't change in three years. The touch screen doesn't become a factor in that part.
A simulator in itself isn't a problem. A simulator works to weed out external uncontrollable variables. You can't do that with real traffic.
The "outdated" data argument doesn't make sense, the human factor of someone talking to someone that's not present vs. present doesn't change in three years. The touch screen doesn't become a factor in that part.
Show me data related to hands free with voice dialing bluetooth equipment of today. Not data that relates to dialing the phone by hand and also holding the phone while driving.
Show me data related to hands free with voice dialing bluetooth equipment of today. Not data that relates to dialing the phone by hand and also holding the phone while driving.
None of my links covered dialing at all, I really don't know where you get that.
This one doesn't cover dialing either, but it does discuss the results of a study that tested hands-free:
They propose that instead of an outright ban on cell phones and hands-free devices, governments require drivers to complete an endorsed training program.
"Basically it's a ban unless you get the training," Rose said. "States or cities would have to say ‘you have until this date to come and do the training and get the certification because we know it's going to reduce the chances that you will have an accident.'"
They propose that instead of an outright ban on cell phones and hands-free devices, governments require drivers to complete an endorsed training program.
"Basically it's a ban unless you get the training," Rose said. "States or cities would have to say ?you have until this date to come and do the training and get the certification because we know it's going to reduce the chances that you will have an accident.'"
One of the largest car manufactures in the world GM puts hands free coms in every car it sells why would that be? The fact is in more and more states it requires voice dialing if you are to use your phone while driving and the iPhone should support it.
This may not be that simple to support, as all phones do not support voice dialing. What is the current state of voice dialing software? Is it an shared standard between all car manufacturers? Does GM have its own proprietary system, does BMW have a different one, and Honda have another different one?
Its unlikely Apple would be motivated to support everyone's different proprietary software.
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You aren't getting it. While it doesn't help, it's not the dialing that's the core problem. The fact that you are talking on the phone at all is a significant distraction.
Study 1
Study 2
Study 1 = Behavioral Effects of Driver Distraction and Alcohol Impairment
Study 2 = A Comparison of the Cell Phone Driver and the Drunk Driver
Show me a study that does not relate this activity to Drunk Driving, or taking drugs. Voice dialing vs no voice dialing. Talking only and not some person texting or emailing while driving like I see all the time while I am on the road to work.
You need to use your head when driving. Using your logic talking to another person in the car should also cause the same problem having the radio on also the same problem and so on.
We don't need anymore stupid laws on the books. We can't get drunk drivers off the road with the police we have and now you want them to be dealing with people on cell phones.
This comment was made:
Driving is a privilege. No two ways about it. If you don't use that privilege responsibly then eventually you'll lose that privilege.
Now lets see what else we can add to it.
Drinking is a privilege. No two ways about it. If you don't use that privilege responsibly then eventually you'll lose that privilege.
Flying is a privilege. No two ways about it. If you don't use that privilege responsibly then eventually you'll lose that privilege.
Voting is a privilege. No two ways about it. If you don't use that privilege responsibly then eventually you'll lose that privilege.
Smoking is a privilege. No two ways about it. If you don't use that privilege responsibly then eventually you'll lose that privilege.
Boating is a privilege. No two ways about it. If you don't use that privilege responsibly then eventually you'll lose that privilege.
and so on......
One of the largest car manufactures in the world GM puts hands free coms in every car it sells why would that be?
Why should they let cars be built that can drive faster than the posted speed limit?
The fact is in more and more states it requires voice dialing if you are to use your phone while driving and the iPhone should support it.
Study 1 = Behavioral Effects of Driver Distraction and Alcohol Impairment
Study 2 = A Comparison of the Cell Phone Driver and the Drunk Driver
Show me a study that does not relate this activity to Drunk Driving, or taking drugs. Voice dialing vs no voice dialing. Talking only and not some person texting or emailing while driving like I see all the time while I am on the road to work.
You need to use your head when driving. Using your logic talking to another person in the car should also cause the same problem having the radio on also the same problem and so on.
We don't need anymore stupid laws on the books. We can't get drunk drivers off the road with the police we have and now you want them to be dealing with people on cell phones.
Show me where I advocated cell phone laws. That was not the point that I was making. The point is that talking on the phone is risky. Voice dialing vs. no voice dialing is a smaller factor as most of the time is talking, not dialing.
One of the largest car manufactures in the world GM puts hands free coms in every car it sells why would that be?
Because of market demand, by a market of buyers that somehow assumes that hand-free is safer, but that's a misconception.
You have to keep in mind your studies are based on non touch screen only models of cell phones. And they are much easier to dial by touch than the iPhone is.
So I guess you should not talk to others within your car while you drive also.....
Passengers are apparently not nearly as significant of an impact on attentiveness, and a hypothesis on why it makes a difference:
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=1&gl=us
"Because of market demand, by a market of buyers that somehow assumes that hand-free is safer, but that's a misconception"
You have to keep in mind your studies are based on non touch screen only models of cell phones. And they are much easier to dial by touch than the iPhone is.
That's true, and that likely does add to the risk, but what I'm saying is that it doesn't excuse actually using any kind of phone while driving in the first place.
" The passenger may monitor the surrounding traffic, and respond to changes indriving demands. This supportive behavior can be explicit, for example by referring to traffic dangers, or more implicit by moderating the conversational flow in response toincreased difficulty of the driving task. Of course, this assumes that the passenger has at least a rudimentary understanding of potential dangers of traffic and the driving task. Directing the driver’s attention towards potential danger creates situation awareness (Endsley, 1995) of the surrounding traffic that is shared by the driver and the passenger."
It also tells me this was based on a simulator not real driving in taffic in real cars.
It also tells me this was based on a simulator not real driving in taffic in real cars.
A simulator in itself isn't a problem. A simulator works to weed out external uncontrollable variables. You can't do that with real traffic.
The "outdated" data argument doesn't make sense, the human factor of someone talking to someone that's not present vs. present doesn't change in three years. The touch screen doesn't become a factor in that part.
A simulator in itself isn't a problem. A simulator works to weed out external uncontrollable variables. You can't do that with real traffic.
The "outdated" data argument doesn't make sense, the human factor of someone talking to someone that's not present vs. present doesn't change in three years. The touch screen doesn't become a factor in that part.
Show me data related to hands free with voice dialing bluetooth equipment of today. Not data that relates to dialing the phone by hand and also holding the phone while driving.
Show me data related to hands free with voice dialing bluetooth equipment of today. Not data that relates to dialing the phone by hand and also holding the phone while driving.
None of my links covered dialing at all, I really don't know where you get that.
This one doesn't cover dialing either, but it does discuss the results of a study that tested hands-free:
http://spotlight.siu.edu/03082006/Ha...ersations.html
But I can't ever see the following taking place:
They propose that instead of an outright ban on cell phones and hands-free devices, governments require drivers to complete an endorsed training program.
"Basically it's a ban unless you get the training," Rose said. "States or cities would have to say ‘you have until this date to come and do the training and get the certification because we know it's going to reduce the chances that you will have an accident.'"
That was a good read.... Thanks!!!!
But I can't ever see the following taking place:
They propose that instead of an outright ban on cell phones and hands-free devices, governments require drivers to complete an endorsed training program.
"Basically it's a ban unless you get the training," Rose said. "States or cities would have to say ?you have until this date to come and do the training and get the certification because we know it's going to reduce the chances that you will have an accident.'"
I understand, that is silly.
One of the largest car manufactures in the world GM puts hands free coms in every car it sells why would that be? The fact is in more and more states it requires voice dialing if you are to use your phone while driving and the iPhone should support it.
This may not be that simple to support, as all phones do not support voice dialing. What is the current state of voice dialing software? Is it an shared standard between all car manufacturers? Does GM have its own proprietary system, does BMW have a different one, and Honda have another different one?
Its unlikely Apple would be motivated to support everyone's different proprietary software.
Apple, you are beginning to look like M$ and (gasp!) Sony!
C'mon Think Different Guys!
The crazy ones are your biggest fans. Open the iPhone up and issue a real honest to goodness SDK already.
1. Sorry for the typo on point (3) the e should be we
2. On point 8 it should be "decide to not be pillaged"
on second 1. should be "while" instead of hile
Sorry for the lame typing ability
How about SPELL CHECK in emails? REAL spell check, not the intelligent keyboard.