Thanks. I seriously didn't know if we were talking choice because there aren't "any," or choice because there were low-end (price-wise) and only one high-end. Now I have a better feel for it.
As my previous post wasn't very clear, I was considering the ATI one the "high end", and the Quadro as simply not an option. It's only slightly faster than the ATI anyway.
As my previous post wasn't very clear, I was considering the ATI one the "high end", and the Quadro as simply not an option. It's only slightly faster than the ATI anyway.
See, didn't know the Quadro's speed in relation to the ATI.
I'm just curious, are there any Mac users who know how to spell "you're" correctly? I've been thinking about getting a Mac for a little while, but if this is how uneducated the community really is... ouch.
Actually it was a grammatical error, if you weren't aware "your" is a word and it was spelled correctly.
If you're going to be a hypercritical asshole about other people's english you better watch your own.
I'm just curious, are there any Mac users who know how to spell "you're" correctly? I've been thinking about getting a Mac for a little while, but if this is how uneducated the community really is... ouch.
this is a informal board, when you type fast lots of mistake happens and so on... what the big f**k about it
and welcome stupid (i think i spelled this correctly even though english is my 2nd language)
you are getting/deciding a mac based our english on this board, your NUTS? sorry you are NUTS!
As my previous post wasn't very clear, I was considering the ATI one the "high end", and the Quadro as simply not an option. It's only slightly faster than the ATI anyway.
Depends on what you use it for. Chances are you don't need it or you'd already know that.
Depends on what you use it for. Chances are you don't need it or you'd already know that.
My point was in the context of playing games, which is off-market for a Quadro. That, and the only tests I've seen are for non-engineering uses. Even Apple's comparison only uses games for their tests. If you know of such tests with software that takes advantage of the Mac's Quadro, using a Mac, I'd love to read it, but I've got a gut feeling that it's not going to be 2x or better.
The Quadro is twice the speed as the x1900xt (look at the OpenGL score). I'm not surprised though, as I hear the ATI cards are sort of hampered in OS X for OpenGL. When I Cinebenched my hackintosh against my friend's 2.66... my NVidia 7900GS beat his x1900xt. I do have a e6700 overclocked to 3.25ghz but the cpu speed is only a small factor in determining the OpenGL speed. I didn't beat him by much but I did beat him... which he should have beat me hands down.
cpu speed is only a small factor in determining the OpenGL speed
This is a huge overgeneralization. The importance of CPU speed, memory speed, operating system, drivers, and GPU varies greatly depending on the actual code and data being used. And be careful drawing too many conclusions from the results of a particluar benchmark, as it may not present a meaningful picture of what you are actually interested in.
I was talking directly to this benchmark. If you take a look at JUST the OpenGL benchmarks posted you will see there are some extremely underpowered machines that have very high OpenGL benchmarks... I am talking strictly of Cinebench here. I am not talking in 100% computing.
Also I was speaking in context of my e6700 vs his 2.66 woodcrest.
As I was saying and emig elaborated on. There are people that live and dye over a Highend 3D card, and if you actuallly needed it you would have known that.
I also didn't go back a page to see that you were talking about gaming. The statment you made looked like a blanket statment about the card. It's obviously not a gaming card though. Although, if you do 3D it does a make a decent gaming card if you like to game, but nvidia's intended use for the Quadro was not to be a gaming card.
Looks like they did some optimizing in Cinebench 10.
I guess I should have read it first myself. So would that explain why my inferior 7900GS was beating his x1900xt?? Because of CPU speed? I was lead to believe it was poor ati drivers for OS X.
this is a informal board, when you type fast lots of mistake happens and so on... what the big f**k about it
and welcome stupid (i think i spelled this correctly even though english is my 2nd language)
you are getting/deciding a mac based our english on this board, your NUTS? sorry you are NUTS!
we speak computer language here!
What about his nuts? Maybe he doesn't have any.
Anyway SirHaakon, that's no way to make an entrance when you're (spelled correctly) possibly going to ask for help in the future.
I have been teaching college level English for almost 19 years, and I still make errors. Not that I don't know correct grammar, but as Shanmugam says, this is an informal forum. I know that if I proofread my posts, I could find lots of errors.
I tell my students that there are two types of English (or any language): Formal - when you're writing in school, in your job, or trying to impress someone.
Then there's informal - the way we talk to our friends, family, or on the street.
You better know both types. Otherwise, you'll screw up at work or in school if you don't use formal English. However, your friends will think you're a snob if you don't use informal with them. Since this is a friendly setting, be informal, or we'll think you're a snob.
I find the AI members to be extremely intelligent (although argumentative) and knowledgeable. I'm in awe of their talents. Don't judge those talents by the rapid way they write in these threads. I'm sure that you could find errors in ANY writing I've done that I haven't proofread at least a couple of times. So cool it. Learn from these guys and don't criticize them for errors that have nothing to do with the thread subject.
Anyway SirHaakon, that's no way to make an entrance when you're (spelled correctly) possibly going to ask for help in the future.
I have been teaching college level English for almost 19 years, and I still make errors. Not that I don't know correct grammar, but as Shanmugam says, this is an informal forum. I know that if I proofread my posts, I could find lots of errors.
I tell my students that there are two types of English (or any language): Formal - when you're writing in school, in your job, or trying to impress someone.
Then there's informal - the way we talk to our friends, family, or on the street.
You better know both types. Otherwise, you'll screw up at work or in school if you don't use formal English. However, your friends will think you're a snob if you don't use informal with them. Since this is a friendly setting, be informal, or we'll think you're a snob.
I find the AI members to be extremely intelligent (although argumentative) and knowledgeable. I'm in awe of their talents. Don't judge those talents by the rapid way they write in these threads. I'm sure that you could find errors in ANY writing I've done that I haven't proofread at least a couple of times. So cool it. Learn from these guys and don't criticize them for errors that have nothing to do with the thread subject.
I guess I should have read it first myself. So would that explain why my inferior 7900GS was beating his x1900xt?? Because of CPU speed? I was lead to believe it was poor ati drivers for OS X.
These system are very complicated so taking guesses as to what the problem is just asking to be proven wrong. I've seen code that is beautifully written and impressively optimized... and some obscure interaction with something on the particular OS, CPU, GPU, driver, application, whatever completely trashes its performance, often just in a specific case (for example, everything works beautifully with 0, 1, 3, 4 or more textures... but give it 2 and it all falls apart).
So I can't answer your question. ATI drivers have been sketchy in the past, but they got a lot better for a while. It only takes one bad piece of code to hamper the whole code path.
I will say that I'm much more impressed with the ATI X1900 architecture than I am with the nVidia 7xxx series. The newer 8xxx series is a considerable improvement, but its a bit of a monster as of yet.
I'm just curious, are there any Mac users who know how to spell "you're" correctly? I've been thinking about getting a Mac for a little while, but if this is how uneducated the community really is... ouch.
ummmmm........
U'rr nnn ezzhulll....kthxbi....
Only grammar you should trip over is when it impedes understanding.
After introducing Leopard and Penryn 8-cores with a 1.6GHz FSB, Apple is going to kick some serious Windows butt. Hell, a 3.2 Penryn 8-core running Windows XP Pro will kick some serious Vista Ultimate butt. If IT can only slack off about letting Apple play nice in the corporation, those uber Mac Pros and Leopard will kick everyone's butt. Aluminum cheese-grater case or not, I'm getting an 8-core.
Monday the 12th is Veterans' Day - a national holiday and the day Intel does their press event. So the holiday puts Apple a day off from Tuesday to Wednesday November 14.
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Thanks. I seriously didn't know if we were talking choice because there aren't "any," or choice because there were low-end (price-wise) and only one high-end. Now I have a better feel for it.
As my previous post wasn't very clear, I was considering the ATI one the "high end", and the Quadro as simply not an option. It's only slightly faster than the ATI anyway.
As my previous post wasn't very clear, I was considering the ATI one the "high end", and the Quadro as simply not an option. It's only slightly faster than the ATI anyway.
See, didn't know the Quadro's speed in relation to the ATI.
I'm just curious, are there any Mac users who know how to spell "you're" correctly? I've been thinking about getting a Mac for a little while, but if this is how uneducated the community really is... ouch.
Actually it was a grammatical error, if you weren't aware "your" is a word and it was spelled correctly.
If you're going to be a hypercritical asshole about other people's english you better watch your own.
I'm just curious, are there any Mac users who know how to spell "you're" correctly? I've been thinking about getting a Mac for a little while, but if this is how uneducated the community really is... ouch.
this is a informal board, when you type fast lots of mistake happens and so on... what the big f**k about it
and welcome stupid (i think i spelled this correctly even though english is my 2nd language)
you are getting/deciding a mac based our english on this board, your NUTS? sorry you are NUTS!
we speak computer language here!
A $1,000 Mac, please??? Hello?
Sure, No Problem:
A 2.0GHz Core 2 Duo Mac Mini with 2 GB of Ram and a 160 GB HD.
Actually, that would be $1,024, before sales tax and with no mouse or keyboard.
Anything else you want?
My point is that your price point is unrealistic.
Jim
As my previous post wasn't very clear, I was considering the ATI one the "high end", and the Quadro as simply not an option. It's only slightly faster than the ATI anyway.
Depends on what you use it for. Chances are you don't need it or you'd already know that.
Depends on what you use it for. Chances are you don't need it or you'd already know that.
My point was in the context of playing games, which is off-market for a Quadro. That, and the only tests I've seen are for non-engineering uses. Even Apple's comparison only uses games for their tests. If you know of such tests with software that takes advantage of the Mac's Quadro, using a Mac, I'd love to read it, but I've got a gut feeling that it's not going to be 2x or better.
http://www.3dfluff.com/mash/cinebench/top.php
The Quadro is twice the speed as the x1900xt (look at the OpenGL score). I'm not surprised though, as I hear the ATI cards are sort of hampered in OS X for OpenGL. When I Cinebenched my hackintosh against my friend's 2.66... my NVidia 7900GS beat his x1900xt. I do have a e6700 overclocked to 3.25ghz but the cpu speed is only a small factor in determining the OpenGL speed. I didn't beat him by much but I did beat him... which he should have beat me hands down.
cpu speed is only a small factor in determining the OpenGL speed
This is a huge overgeneralization. The importance of CPU speed, memory speed, operating system, drivers, and GPU varies greatly depending on the actual code and data being used. And be careful drawing too many conclusions from the results of a particluar benchmark, as it may not present a meaningful picture of what you are actually interested in.
Also I was speaking in context of my e6700 vs his 2.66 woodcrest.
I also didn't go back a page to see that you were talking about gaming. The statment you made looked like a blanket statment about the card. It's obviously not a gaming card though. Although, if you do 3D it does a make a decent gaming card if you like to game, but nvidia's intended use for the Quadro was not to be a gaming card.
This is the old database scores for Cinebench 2003...
http://www.3dfluff.com/mash/cbogl.php
Looks like they did some optimizing in Cinebench 10.
I guess I should have read it first myself. So would that explain why my inferior 7900GS was beating his x1900xt?? Because of CPU speed? I was lead to believe it was poor ati drivers for OS X.
this is a informal board, when you type fast lots of mistake happens and so on... what the big f**k about it
and welcome stupid (i think i spelled this correctly even though english is my 2nd language)
you are getting/deciding a mac based our english on this board, your NUTS? sorry you are NUTS!
we speak computer language here!
What about his nuts? Maybe he doesn't have any.
Anyway SirHaakon, that's no way to make an entrance when you're (spelled correctly) possibly going to ask for help in the future.
I have been teaching college level English for almost 19 years, and I still make errors. Not that I don't know correct grammar, but as Shanmugam says, this is an informal forum. I know that if I proofread my posts, I could find lots of errors.
I tell my students that there are two types of English (or any language): Formal - when you're writing in school, in your job, or trying to impress someone.
Then there's informal - the way we talk to our friends, family, or on the street.
You better know both types. Otherwise, you'll screw up at work or in school if you don't use formal English. However, your friends will think you're a snob if you don't use informal with them. Since this is a friendly setting, be informal, or we'll think you're a snob.
I find the AI members to be extremely intelligent (although argumentative) and knowledgeable. I'm in awe of their talents. Don't judge those talents by the rapid way they write in these threads. I'm sure that you could find errors in ANY writing I've done that I haven't proofread at least a couple of times. So cool it. Learn from these guys and don't criticize them for errors that have nothing to do with the thread subject.
What about his nuts? Maybe he doesn't have any.
Anyway SirHaakon, that's no way to make an entrance when you're (spelled correctly) possibly going to ask for help in the future.
I have been teaching college level English for almost 19 years, and I still make errors. Not that I don't know correct grammar, but as Shanmugam says, this is an informal forum. I know that if I proofread my posts, I could find lots of errors.
I tell my students that there are two types of English (or any language): Formal - when you're writing in school, in your job, or trying to impress someone.
Then there's informal - the way we talk to our friends, family, or on the street.
You better know both types. Otherwise, you'll screw up at work or in school if you don't use formal English. However, your friends will think you're a snob if you don't use informal with them. Since this is a friendly setting, be informal, or we'll think you're a snob.
I find the AI members to be extremely intelligent (although argumentative) and knowledgeable. I'm in awe of their talents. Don't judge those talents by the rapid way they write in these threads. I'm sure that you could find errors in ANY writing I've done that I haven't proofread at least a couple of times. So cool it. Learn from these guys and don't criticize them for errors that have nothing to do with the thread subject.
well intentioned, well delivered: well said.
You're right...
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I guess I should have read it first myself. So would that explain why my inferior 7900GS was beating his x1900xt?? Because of CPU speed? I was lead to believe it was poor ati drivers for OS X.
These system are very complicated so taking guesses as to what the problem is just asking to be proven wrong. I've seen code that is beautifully written and impressively optimized... and some obscure interaction with something on the particular OS, CPU, GPU, driver, application, whatever completely trashes its performance, often just in a specific case (for example, everything works beautifully with 0, 1, 3, 4 or more textures... but give it 2 and it all falls apart).
So I can't answer your question. ATI drivers have been sketchy in the past, but they got a lot better for a while. It only takes one bad piece of code to hamper the whole code path.
I will say that I'm much more impressed with the ATI X1900 architecture than I am with the nVidia 7xxx series. The newer 8xxx series is a considerable improvement, but its a bit of a monster as of yet.
Now as to whether we see new Mac Pros about the same time...
One can only hope.
I'm just curious, are there any Mac users who know how to spell "you're" correctly? I've been thinking about getting a Mac for a little while, but if this is how uneducated the community really is... ouch.
ummmmm........
U'rr nnn ezzhulll....kthxbi....
Only grammar you should trip over is when it impedes understanding.
Looking forward to the update.