Touch my screen with your greasy fingers and this machete will show you how it can be possibly bad.
You protest too much. Touch screens have been around for decades. I clean my monitor with iKlear and the soft cloth that comes with it. So, what's different? I would hope that your greasy fingers aren't making your keyboard mouse, or trackball unsanitary. I know how you people get about that over there with your phones. A monitor is certainly easier to clean than any of those.
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I've worked in computer companies since 1987 and I've never once had the IT department round to upgrade my PC. It just doesn't happen. Instead I'll get a new PC every few years when the lease is up. It may happen in small companies perhaps but as a whole IT departments like to keep a standard config and never deviate on an individual users basis.
This is true. The only shops that may upgrade machines are those working in the visual arts, and even then the only thing upgraded might be the graphics card, if 3D is involved, so we're talking about Mac Pro's anyway.
I've worked in computer companies since 1987 and I've never once had the IT department round to upgrade my PC. It just doesn't happen. Instead I'll get a new PC every few years when the lease is up. It may happen in small companies perhaps but as a whole IT departments like to keep a standard config and never deviate on an individual users basis.
And what you are ignoring is my original point that 'most' people don't have money to switch out entire computers let alone entire departments of computers when they want to upgrade. THIS is the remnant of a good economy that must soon come to an end.
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Regardless of the TV argument, which is nonsense - TVs don't generally stop showing the latest shows or need expanding - replacing your computer every few years is exactly what most people actually do and if you're paying attention, they generally replace PCs sooner than they replace Macs. So Apple seems to understand reality better than some people.
As I said a few posts ago, people who can't afford their mortgages are sure as hell not gonna drop $2500 on a new Mac. You confirm this by stating that people buy new PCs quicker than they buy new Macs. This is because they are CHEAPER to replace.
Look, I'm not ever going to win the argument that there needs to be a cheaper mac in this sort of venue. The truth is that most of 'us' WORK in a Mac environment and as we all know, Mac based companies tend to be smarter, better managed, and therefore have better finances, but with the economy in general sinking, and a recent report on higher education tuition hikes being higher than expected, you have to know that the luxury goods HAVE to find a reduction in sales at some point. Apple seems to be consistently defying this 'logic.' Good for them but it still baffles me.
alandail... People who want to spend less than $1000 will NEVER buy a mac-mini because it is a weakling with no upgradeability and I'm sure most people don't understand what it even is. Add a screen to it, bump up the power a bit, make it a case that can be opened to switch out drives and price it under $1k and THEY WILL SELL. The gist of my original comment was that there needed to be something between the Mini and the cheapest iMac. No one can claim Apple had a hard time selling sub $1k macs in the past.
As to the TV arguement, yes, most people will go for the one that looks the best but they plan to keep the set for more than a few years. Apple seems to want to sell machines to people who switch them out every couple of years. Big difference.
Wait, you just changed your whole argument. In the post I responded to, you said
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90% of the market doesn't need or want quad cores with 4GB or RAM that they can edit HD video on. 90% want a computer that they can check email and ebay on.
Are you trying to now say that a Mac mini isn't powerful enough for email and ebay? By your own argument that I responded to, teh Mac Mini is all 90% of users really need.
Here's what I think - I think most people are perfectly willing to spend $1199 for an iMac - that's really not all that expensive compared to what those same people spend on a big screen tv. And that many of them, when given the choice, will instead opt for the $1799 model with the larger screen.
btw: I wasn't really trying to argue that Apple couldn't use a mini-tower in their lineup.
However, the target market for a mini-tower mac isn't people who want email and ebay - those people will buy iMacs, which couldn't be more perfect for them. They don't want options and cables and slots, they want a computer that looks nice in the den and just works.
A mini-tower is the niche machine, which is why it's been so slow to be released. It's for the person who will plug cards into slots, who wants to add internal storage, but for who the MacPro is overkill. It doesn't have to be priced sub $1000. In fact, a core2 duo mini-tower Mac at $1249 (half the price of the mac pro) would do quite well. But would never outsell the iMac even it it were $799.
btw: I wasn't really trying to argue that Apple couldn't use a mini-tower in their lineup.
However, the target market for a mini-tower mac isn't people who want email and ebay - those people will buy iMacs, which couldn't be more perfect for them. They don't want options and cables and slots, they want a computer that looks nice in the den and just works.
A mini-tower is the niche machine, which is why it's been so slow to be released. It's for the person who will plug cards into slots, who wants to add internal storage, but for who the MacPro is overkill. It doesn't have to be priced sub $1000. In fact, a core2 duo mini-tower Mac at $1249 (half the price of the mac pro) would do quite well. But would never outsell the iMac even it it were $799.
because, as you pointed out in your first post I replied to, most people want somethign that just works. They don't want to mess with cables to plug in things like cameras and monitors. Some are afraid of doing it wrong and would rather not have to bother, others don't want the unsightly mess, especially if the computer is going in their den.
because, as you pointed out in your first post I replied to, most people want somethign that just works. They don't want to mess with cables to plug in things like cameras and monitors. Some are afraid of doing it wrong and would rather not have to bother, others don't want the unsightly mess, especially if the computer is going in their den.
But I also point out that they like to THINK they will do that. It's always perception that matters. What people will actually do never matters.
This is why closed computer systems are never as popular as open ones. Apple should have learned that from 1984 and beyond. It was only when the Mac II was released after Jobs had left, that Apple began to sell more machines, too little, too late.
The Cube was also doomed. The first reason was that it was too expensive. But the death blow came from the fact that Apple failed to emphasize that it was upgradable, and expandable. People thought it wasn't.
The original iMacs also suffered from this problem. While they garnered great publicity because of their design and colors, they never really sold all that well.
When small companies began to take advantage of the "Mezzanine" slot in the machine, Apple removed it.
I know so many people over the years who bought huge full size PC cases with 8 slots that they never used.
A mini Mac tower would sell well. business really doesn't like the iMac. I've read numerous articles in Computerworld, Infoworld, business web sites and such, that they would be interested in a Mac mini tower.
Believe me, there would be quite a market. I would also buy two.
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Touch my screen with your greasy fingers and this machete will show you how it can be possibly bad.
You protest too much. Touch screens have been around for decades. I clean my monitor with iKlear and the soft cloth that comes with it. So, what's different? I would hope that your greasy fingers aren't making your keyboard mouse, or trackball unsanitary. I know how you people get about that over there with your phones. A monitor is certainly easier to clean than any of those.
I've worked in computer companies since 1987 and I've never once had the IT department round to upgrade my PC. It just doesn't happen. Instead I'll get a new PC every few years when the lease is up. It may happen in small companies perhaps but as a whole IT departments like to keep a standard config and never deviate on an individual users basis.
This is true. The only shops that may upgrade machines are those working in the visual arts, and even then the only thing upgraded might be the graphics card, if 3D is involved, so we're talking about Mac Pro's anyway.
I've worked in computer companies since 1987 and I've never once had the IT department round to upgrade my PC. It just doesn't happen. Instead I'll get a new PC every few years when the lease is up. It may happen in small companies perhaps but as a whole IT departments like to keep a standard config and never deviate on an individual users basis.
And what you are ignoring is my original point that 'most' people don't have money to switch out entire computers let alone entire departments of computers when they want to upgrade. THIS is the remnant of a good economy that must soon come to an end.
Regardless of the TV argument, which is nonsense - TVs don't generally stop showing the latest shows or need expanding - replacing your computer every few years is exactly what most people actually do and if you're paying attention, they generally replace PCs sooner than they replace Macs. So Apple seems to understand reality better than some people.
As I said a few posts ago, people who can't afford their mortgages are sure as hell not gonna drop $2500 on a new Mac. You confirm this by stating that people buy new PCs quicker than they buy new Macs. This is because they are CHEAPER to replace.
Look, I'm not ever going to win the argument that there needs to be a cheaper mac in this sort of venue. The truth is that most of 'us' WORK in a Mac environment and as we all know, Mac based companies tend to be smarter, better managed, and therefore have better finances, but with the economy in general sinking, and a recent report on higher education tuition hikes being higher than expected, you have to know that the luxury goods HAVE to find a reduction in sales at some point. Apple seems to be consistently defying this 'logic.' Good for them but it still baffles me.
Look, I'm not ever going to win the argument that there needs to be a cheaper mac in this sort of venue.
But, many of us do agree with you.
alandail... People who want to spend less than $1000 will NEVER buy a mac-mini because it is a weakling with no upgradeability and I'm sure most people don't understand what it even is. Add a screen to it, bump up the power a bit, make it a case that can be opened to switch out drives and price it under $1k and THEY WILL SELL. The gist of my original comment was that there needed to be something between the Mini and the cheapest iMac. No one can claim Apple had a hard time selling sub $1k macs in the past.
As to the TV arguement, yes, most people will go for the one that looks the best but they plan to keep the set for more than a few years. Apple seems to want to sell machines to people who switch them out every couple of years. Big difference.
Wait, you just changed your whole argument. In the post I responded to, you said
90% of the market doesn't need or want quad cores with 4GB or RAM that they can edit HD video on. 90% want a computer that they can check email and ebay on.
Are you trying to now say that a Mac mini isn't powerful enough for email and ebay? By your own argument that I responded to, teh Mac Mini is all 90% of users really need.
Here's what I think - I think most people are perfectly willing to spend $1199 for an iMac - that's really not all that expensive compared to what those same people spend on a big screen tv. And that many of them, when given the choice, will instead opt for the $1799 model with the larger screen.
However, the target market for a mini-tower mac isn't people who want email and ebay - those people will buy iMacs, which couldn't be more perfect for them. They don't want options and cables and slots, they want a computer that looks nice in the den and just works.
A mini-tower is the niche machine, which is why it's been so slow to be released. It's for the person who will plug cards into slots, who wants to add internal storage, but for who the MacPro is overkill. It doesn't have to be priced sub $1000. In fact, a core2 duo mini-tower Mac at $1249 (half the price of the mac pro) would do quite well. But would never outsell the iMac even it it were $799.
btw: I wasn't really trying to argue that Apple couldn't use a mini-tower in their lineup.
However, the target market for a mini-tower mac isn't people who want email and ebay - those people will buy iMacs, which couldn't be more perfect for them. They don't want options and cables and slots, they want a computer that looks nice in the den and just works.
A mini-tower is the niche machine, which is why it's been so slow to be released. It's for the person who will plug cards into slots, who wants to add internal storage, but for who the MacPro is overkill. It doesn't have to be priced sub $1000. In fact, a core2 duo mini-tower Mac at $1249 (half the price of the mac pro) would do quite well. But would never outsell the iMac even it it were $799.
How do you know it would never outsell the iMac?
How do you know it would never outsell the iMac?
because, as you pointed out in your first post I replied to, most people want somethign that just works. They don't want to mess with cables to plug in things like cameras and monitors. Some are afraid of doing it wrong and would rather not have to bother, others don't want the unsightly mess, especially if the computer is going in their den.
because, as you pointed out in your first post I replied to, most people want somethign that just works. They don't want to mess with cables to plug in things like cameras and monitors. Some are afraid of doing it wrong and would rather not have to bother, others don't want the unsightly mess, especially if the computer is going in their den.
But I also point out that they like to THINK they will do that. It's always perception that matters. What people will actually do never matters.
This is why closed computer systems are never as popular as open ones. Apple should have learned that from 1984 and beyond. It was only when the Mac II was released after Jobs had left, that Apple began to sell more machines, too little, too late.
The Cube was also doomed. The first reason was that it was too expensive. But the death blow came from the fact that Apple failed to emphasize that it was upgradable, and expandable. People thought it wasn't.
The original iMacs also suffered from this problem. While they garnered great publicity because of their design and colors, they never really sold all that well.
When small companies began to take advantage of the "Mezzanine" slot in the machine, Apple removed it.
I know so many people over the years who bought huge full size PC cases with 8 slots that they never used.
A mini Mac tower would sell well. business really doesn't like the iMac. I've read numerous articles in Computerworld, Infoworld, business web sites and such, that they would be interested in a Mac mini tower.
Believe me, there would be quite a market. I would also buy two.