Has Apple abandoned one of the iMacs best features?

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  • Reply 20 of 47
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    Yep, I'd say the majority of consumers (say 70 or 80%) don't upgrade their computers. This is who the iMac is targeted at. Remember, Apple isn't out to get everyone to buy an iMac just the people who's profile it fits. I think this new iMac is going to fit many peoples profile quite well. It'll reinvigorate the iMac sales (even if it scares off a few people due to it's price tag)



    You are kidding right? Do you really think that only 20-30% upgrades? I think that about 70% of the people that i know have upgraded their graphic cards. I wish [even though it wont be the case] that the new imac has the ability to be upgraded as far as the graphic card goes [and dont tell me that..."32MB are more than you will ever need" I remember a guy who said something similar for the computer RAM requirements a few years ago and his sentence became a joke...]

    If the imacs graphics card can be upgraded i will buy one. If not i ll wait for the G5 powermacs [even if that means that i will have to wait for more than 1 year].



    Bezbozny
  • Reply 22 of 47
    mmicistmmicist Posts: 214member
    [quote]Originally posted by Dave K.:

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    Apple's anti expansion, anti upgrading policy is frightening people away from the platfrom, which is VERY bad.

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    I total agree with you. This is a VERY big problem for the Macintosh platform. If people perceptions (just like Mhz) are that the iMac's aren't upgradable, then they will pass them up.



    And for all of those think nobody upgrades (except for geeks) you don't know what you are talking about. Just for one example, CompUSA sell tons and tons of internal CD-R drives.



    Just who do think they are selling these things to? Geeks only. They are selling to geeks, consumers, and professionals. And they are selling tons of them. When you replace a CD-ROM drive or an 8X CD-R drive with a 24X CD-R drive. Guess what? Its an upgrade.

    This is what "us" upgraders are talking about and this is what people "think" they want.

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    And just exactly what evidence do you have of this? The iMac outsells the PowerMacs by a huge margin. Apple's sale volumes are increasing!



    There is also the small fact that if you want to be able to fit new optical drives into a machine you restrict the form factor, the new iMac wont accept any old CD-R drive, if you want one it will be external, or you go fo a different machine. Think in terms of HiFi, I have a system of expensive non-matching separates, that gives me what I want, and I can upgrade the individual items, but the vast majority of people want an all-in-one system that looks good.



    Try not to think of this iMac as a computer, but as a household appliance that a householder will be proud to have in their living room, and it performs its functions correctly.



    Michael



    [ 01-07-2002: Message edited by: mmicist ]</p>
  • Reply 23 of 47
    Looks like the power suply is inside too. You'd think Apple would go with the external one like the cube has. Also they used that fscking nonstandard (i know i know there's no standard) power cord.
  • Reply 24 of 47
    Tl - I want a super computer with the power of Pixars rendering farm with the usability of an ambidexterous tin opener and the expandability of a lego village. I can't aford it... therefore I cant have it and Steve won't make it for me. Comprendes vous?



    [ 01-07-2002: Message edited by: Graphite ]</p>
  • Reply 25 of 47
    flyfly Posts: 6member
    I am surprised to read in these posts that the new iMac has a fan. Where can you fit a fan on that thing?... :confused: I won't believe it 'til I hear it...



    As for the people bitching about lack of upgradability and video chip not up to date, well it has been the same since the first iMac. This machine targets the general folks who don't need all the bells & whistles and who won't tinker with the machine 'til they buy another one... in 5 to 10 years!

    It's cheap, friendly to use, still packs a good punch and looks very good on your desk.



    I do Mac support on the side, you guys should see the Macs I get to service. I've been working a lot on LC's Power Macs 7100's and 7200's and performas lately, trying to convince their owners to buy a new Mac, some of them do not feel the need for it. I know a teacher who still uses a Mac IIvx (68030 processor!) running System 7.1 and Word 5 to do all his work! even runs Photoshop 2.5 on it for scanning family photos and sending them by E-mail on a 28.8K modem!. There is a HUGE market for casual users.



    If you want a machine to tinker with then the iMac is just NOT FOR YOU. I own 6 Macs personally all being used on a regular basis but one:



    AT HOME: a Mac Plus with external 40GB drive and an imagewriter (this is for decoration of course, I sometimes turn it on and let the screen saver go, makes a conversation piece!), a PM7100/66 AV which I use for SCI connectivity (scanner, Zip drive), networked to an iMac 400MHz (summer 2000) which I use mostly for Internet, gaming, some light work (Photoshop, Illustrator, Quark), and the dreaded Office 2001 that I have to launch once in a while. My girlfriend also uses it for fashion design freelance jobs on occasion.



    AT WORK: a Quadra 950 (Ykes!!) that I use for communicating with my Scitex Imagesetter, since a PCI or PowerPC upgrade would cost me approximately $15.000 for the 2 fiber optics communication cards and dongle; a UmaxJ700 which I use as a Print server for my color proofer and as a scan station, my main work horse is a Beige G3 MiniTower, with a G4 500MHz processor upgrade, 70GB total HD space, 512MB of RAM, a Nexus 128 (Rage) 32MB video card driving a Sony 19" G400, while the original 2MB VRAM is used to drive a 14" apple monitors (For those pesky tool palettes...)... adding to that a variety of peripherals.



    MY POINT IS: I bought myself an iMac last year because I wanted a cheap computer for home. I love tinkering with my Macs, so I do find the lack of upgradability very annoying, but I decided on the purchase knowing that fact. So far I swaped the 10GB drive for a 40GB ATA100, HUGE difference, and just added a bunch of RAM. Next step, swapping the internal CD ROM drive for a CD-RW at the very least. After that, I'm stuck... probably will be selling by next fall to get a newer model. I NEVER REGRETTED MY PURCHASE. I probably will be swapping it in 2003 for a brand new iMac again, unless Apple comes up with something better.



    ON another note, why the hell did they ever come up with that stupid slot loaded drive? you can't put anything else than regular CD's in there... this is one thing I really like about the New iMac: GOODBYE SLOT LOADED !!!



    BOTTOM LINE IS: an iMac is NOT a work horse, and was not designed with this in mind. You want a work horse, pay the price and get what you actually need. It might seem a steep purchase if it's your 1st mac, but the day you decide to change your Tower, you can sell the Tower alone for a good price, easily up to $1000 if it's between 2-3 years old, keep your screen and peripherals then you only have to buy a new Tower, with almost half of it already paid for.



    This is a very good advantage that the Mac has over the PC: a higher resale value.



    I will probably get myself a G4 (G5?) for work in 2002 because my Souped-up G3 is getting a little slow compared to what's available out there, and then sell my Umax. I got a buyer for $500, believe it or not! That's a 5 year old machine!



    So people, please don't complain about the iMac's features when what you need is a Tower...



    Gee I can't believe I wrote all this.
  • Reply 26 of 47
    applenutapplenut Posts: 5,768member
    [quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:

    <strong>Looks like the power suply is inside too. You'd think Apple would go with the external one like the cube has. Also they used that fscking nonstandard (i know i know there's no standard) power cord.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    I've seen that same power chord elsewhere
  • Reply 27 of 47
    mmicistmmicist Posts: 214member
    [quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:

    <strong>Looks like the power suply is inside too. You'd think Apple would go with the external one like the cube has. Also they used that fscking nonstandard (i know i know there's no standard) power cord.</strong><hr></blockquote>





    I suspect they need the weigght of the power supply in the base to keep the whole think stable, thet screen can stick out quite a bit.



    Michael
  • Reply 28 of 47
    I think the new iMac totally Rocks. It's the same as the first iMac in terms of upgradeability, and that's not for me, but the first iMac sold VERY well, so apparently there are plenty of people out there who don't care. I just wish Apple would drop the prices on their Powermac towers a bit, so they are more affordable.



    As a student, I found a discontinued powermac G4 for $1100, so if you're on a budget there are ways to get a tower, but you've got to really want one.



    But damn, that new iMac is as new of a design as the first iMac was. Way to go, Apple! Ives should get a medal of some sort...oh yeah, he already did. And that iBook--SWEET! Now the ibook is perfect, it's got a good sized screen and it's the right price.



    And the iMac, thankfully Apple has some cheaper versions. $1800 is a bit steep, even for a superdrive, but 1299 isn't too bad. I'm sure the price will come down by the end of this year.



    But the best thing about the iMac, is the G4! Finally altivec is brought to the masses. This is a big step for Apple, and I also think it means that G5 powermacs are on their way...
  • Reply 29 of 47
    logan calelogan cale Posts: 1,281member
    [quote]Originally posted by applenut:

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    I've seen that same power chord elsewhere</strong><hr></blockquote>



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  • Reply 30 of 47
    New one has a fan alright.



    Actually the monitor in the old iMac did create a hot upstream airflow that sucked cold air thru the bottom!
  • Reply 31 of 47
    [quote]Originally posted by MacAgent:

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    Yo-yo laptop adapter</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Yea but the MickyMouse plug goes into the power adapter. So it would seem the "power adapter" is in the iMac.



    I expecetd to see a hole for a lock device on the back. Is that the hole on the far left?



  • Reply 32 of 47
    Does the Apple on the front also act as a power light. Does it throb like the iBook one does?
  • Reply 33 of 47
    Ok - I've had a long time to think. I was in the market for a new iMac at MWNY and resisted, as I wanted the new design. I didn't like it early this morning, but I held my fire (all UK time) until now, having examined it at Apple UK etc.

    While I agree that the new specification is everything I could want (bar the lack of widescreen display) I'm afraid I'm not prepared to change from my current iMac. Why? Because as far as I'm concerned the original iMac design was great - a flatscreen version yes, but a flatscreen version like pscates lime iMac - not today's machine. Sorry, to all you devotees out there, but its true! Secondly, I've already said that I don't want to abandon my current system for one with a noisy fan. Finally, and most importantly of all, I did have a Cube when it first came out (it was returned for a full refund due to all the faults on my model). While I liked it, I was amazed when I got it that it took up more desk space than my iMac - YES - MORE. There was the footprint of the LCD with stand, the Cube itself and then the speakers. While the new iMac may not have the LCD stand seperately, that sphere is big, not tall maybe, but it has a large base. Secondly, it should include speakers - and not the tinny G4 tower speaker it comes with, but proper speakers like those built into the current iMac. It may not sound big to you, but it makes a big difference to me...along with the 'sphere' look...and the fan. As for 'Steve's' explanation for dumping the 15" Display like iMac - as for the thickness, rubbish. They can fit it all into a Powerbook for just an inch, and that INCLUDES the keyboard. WHile I take his point about the CD drive, these days, apart from burning speed, I don't care about CD speed - I can't tell whether a 36x drive or 48x drive is REALLY faster. I'm sorry, but as a TRUE consumer user, WAITING for the new iMac ready for a purchase, at this stage, I don't want one.



    [ 01-07-2002: Message edited by: mpw_amherst ]</p>
  • Reply 34 of 47
    steve666steve666 Posts: 2,600member
    I sell computers and parts for computers and believe me, MANY people upgrade their machines, and they are mostly NOT computer geeks. This has been a major complaint of mine since the first iMac came out, but you know what? This new iMac is much more powerful than the previous models and with 32 Mb of Video Ram I don't think lack of upgradeability is such a problem.



    The inability to change or choose your own screen may be an issue for some but Apple does make very good LCDs, if not the best.



    At first I thought the new iMac was butt ugly but its starting to grow on me. I actually just got an email from a diehard PC user I work with who says she wants one! It looks like a desklamp, but it has appeal to many people. My main problem with it is that its not black. Why can't Apple make a black version of it? A white one and a black one. Hey, desk lamps come in different colors, why not this new iMac? I've been wanting a black iMac since day one and I had better get used to the fact that there isn't going to be one!



    As for Jonathan Ive, this was really not his idea. He had shown his new iMac idea to Jobs, which looked like a shallower version of the old iMac and Jobs told him he wanted it to look like a sunflower! It delayed the new iMac for 2 years. Jobs really has issues, but we all knew that. :cool:



    Since the $1299 model isn't coming out till March, I can hope that Apple lowers the price of the base tower to $1299. That might be my first choice, along with a $200 NEC blck monitor.......................
  • Reply 35 of 47
    Look familiar?



  • Reply 36 of 47
    randycat99randycat99 Posts: 1,919member
    I don't understand what is such the big deal about having/not having a fan? Are we talking about a specific kind of fan (a case fan vs. a CPU fan)? I have a rev A (or B) here and it already has a case fan (as I thought all later iMacs did). So I don't see why a fan in the new iMac is really that controversal (if iMacs have been using fans for some time already). It would certainly be nice to be completely fanless, but no feature has been lost with today's iMac having a fan.



    Also, let's get back into perspective here. One quiet, low effort fan in an iMac is not automatically equivalent to the howling case fans and CPU coolers you see in a PC tower. I've experienced a bit of that, and they certainly can be horrendous noise generators. ...But that doesn't mean that all fans are (or have to be) like that. I'm confident that Apple knew to use a quiet fan in the new iMac to preserve the essence of earlier iMacs.



    Now HD whine on the other hand... They can be really quiet or really noisy, and that can even vary from part to part of the same product. They can even get more noisy with age. That's something (IMO, speaking in the iMac/PowerMac arena, specifically) that we all should be more concerned about. If the HD isn't quiet, the fan noise doesn't even matter. Apple may know about quiet fans, but I hope they also know about quiet HD's.
  • Reply 37 of 47
    macgregormacgregor Posts: 1,434member
    RandyCat99: As far as I know, iMacs have never had a fan.



    The one saving grace for fans of no fans (I think) is that the powersource is probably in the top of the new iMac and so the heat could rise quickly up without interfering with the motherboard on the bottom (according to details gleaned from the Time article). Even if the G4 was a little warm, you are right, it may require only the smallest and quietest of fans to get the convection going.



    I still think the graphite crt iMac rocks!
  • Reply 38 of 47
    gilschgilsch Posts: 1,995member
    Hey Modena, are you a Dell engineer working overtime to copycat Apple after today's MW?
  • Reply 39 of 47
    applenutapplenut Posts: 5,768member
    [quote]Originally posted by MacGregor:

    <strong>RandyCat99: As far as I know, iMacs have never had a fan.



    The one saving grace for fans of no fans (I think) is that the powersource is probably in the top of the new iMac and so the heat could rise quickly up without interfering with the motherboard on the bottom (according to details gleaned from the Time article). Even if the G4 was a little warm, you are right, it may require only the smallest and quietest of fans to get the convection going.



    I still think the graphite crt iMac rocks!</strong><hr></blockquote>





    all iMac up to revision e (slot loading) had fans.
  • Reply 40 of 47
    [quote]Originally posted by Gilsch:

    <strong>Hey Modena, are you a Dell engineer working overtime to copycat Apple after today's MW?</strong><hr></blockquote>



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