You must have something wrong with your computer or it must just be old if you think IE is so slow... that is, unless you are comparing it to a fairly new PC running IE. IE on my Mac is just snappy.
You must have something wrong with your computer or it must just be old if you think IE is so slow... that is, unless you are comparing it to a fairly new PC running IE. IE on my Mac is just snappy.
oh come on... IE for the mac is crap compared to the windows version. it has a few nicer features and supposedly is more compatible but the speed and responsiveness sucks. rendering speed is horrible and it doesn't take advantage of any OS X specific features such as sheets, quartz, etc.
For the past day I have been using mozilla 0.9.6..
The rendering speed is VERY fast. Try loading versiontracker with explorer and then try it with mozilla. wow. Also mozilla lets you change the speed of the scrollwheel which is really cool.
The only drawback is that mozilla uses it's own themes instead of using osx's extra.rscr file.
Then sosumi would work for mozilla too!
Maybe sinewave should make a sosumi theme for netscape.. :cool:
oh come on... IE for the mac is crap compared to the windows version. it has a few nicer features and supposedly is more compatible but the speed and responsiveness sucks. rendering speed is horrible and it doesn't take advantage of any OS X specific features such as sheets, quartz, etc.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Carbon apps so far can't use Quartz for text rendering. That is why Omniweb is the only browser that does so. Have you tried any of the Sneaky Peek versions of Omniweb 4.1?
<strong>For the past day I have been using mozilla 0.9.6..
The rendering speed is VERY fast. Try loading versiontracker with explorer and then try it with mozilla. wow. Also mozilla lets you change the speed of the scrollwheel which is really cool.
The only drawback is that mozilla uses it's own themes instead of using osx's extra.rscr file.
Then sosumi would work for mozilla too!
Maybe sinewave should make a sosumi theme for netscape.. :cool: </strong><hr></blockquote>
Not sure how Netscape makes themes.. where is the documentation for this?
Carbon apps so far can't use Quartz for text rendering. That is why Omniweb is the only browser that does so. Have you tried any of the Sneaky Peek versions of Omniweb 4.1?
Office pisses me off too - in lieu of Quickdraw AA in the main workspaces, it uses _NONE_. Therefore, the change from quartz AA to none = quite drastic and ugly.
Also, the platinum controls in web pages in IE5 = UGH
[quote]In Window dialogs it can use Quartz. For text you type out it can't<hr></blockquote>
and the reason behind this is? I don't understand why Excel would be able to use antialiased graphics but word would not be able to use text.
[quote]Seems lots of things "annoy" you too much.
Why don't you email omniweb over and over again and bitch and complain and DEMAND them to change the annoying parts just to suit you? <hr></blockquote>
how about no. they are working on them and are open to changes and suggestions unlike some other places I know.
and the reason behind this is? I don't understand why Excel would be able to use antialiased graphics but word would not be able to use text.
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It's not supported in Carbon. Carbon can't directly access Quartz yet. BUT I HAVE heard that there is a hack you COULD use through QuickDraw to do this. But it is buggy and doesn't provide consistent results.
That's carbon, and it accesses Quartz. Oh, so does iTunes2 - notice that now, in the "search" field, when you input text, it's antialiased by Quartz...
That's carbon, and it accesses Quartz. Oh, so does iTunes2 - notice that now, in the "search" field, when you input text, it's antialiased by Quartz...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ok.. I just asked some one that is a part of the Finder team about this.. Apple hacks quickdraw to use quartz to render text. It's a hack.
It's not supported in Carbon. Carbon can't directly access Quartz yet. BUT I HAVE heard that there is a hack you COULD use through QuickDraw to do this. But it is buggy and doesn't provide consistent results.</strong><hr></blockquote>
don't mean to bug you if you don't know the answer but that just doesn't make sense.
as shwn several apps such as iTunes and the Finder do have quartz rendering for inputed text, there is quartz rendering for graphics, etc. and isn't quartz rendering being implemented into go live and is in illustrator?
<strong>Ok.. I just asked some one that is a part of the Finder team about this.. Apple hacks quickdraw to use quartz to render text. It's a hack.</strong><hr></blockquote> Okay, you asked someone on the "Finder team" about this? How believable does that sound?
For CoreGraphics, the default for Carbon apps is to retain the old-style OS9-era font smoothing. The newer AA is certainly available, but is not the default because Carbon apps were expected to be the "bridge crossing" apps that would work in both OS9 and OSX. Several new Carbon apps like the Finder, iTunes, and Snapz (many others I'm sure, but I'm not at my X machine now) have been written to properly take advantage of AA. IE and Office v.X are just examples of shoddy, poorly-coded ports.
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Windows is better than MacOS for web browsing.
Well, only marginally faster.
You must have something wrong with your computer or it must just be old if you think IE is so slow... that is, unless you are comparing it to a fairly new PC running IE. IE on my Mac is just snappy.
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10.1.1 with sosumi.
Maybe i'd like it if it A. used native aqua interface elements, b. used quartz AA, C. didn't not render half of th epages on the web...
<strong>It's not.
Windows is better than MacOS for web browsing.
Well, only marginally faster.
You must have something wrong with your computer or it must just be old if you think IE is so slow... that is, unless you are comparing it to a fairly new PC running IE. IE on my Mac is just snappy.
[ 11-25-2001: Message edited by: starfleetX ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
oh come on... IE for the mac is crap compared to the windows version. it has a few nicer features and supposedly is more compatible but the speed and responsiveness sucks. rendering speed is horrible and it doesn't take advantage of any OS X specific features such as sheets, quartz, etc.
The rendering speed is VERY fast. Try loading versiontracker with explorer and then try it with mozilla. wow. Also mozilla lets you change the speed of the scrollwheel which is really cool.
The only drawback is that mozilla uses it's own themes instead of using osx's extra.rscr file.
Then sosumi would work for mozilla too!
Maybe sinewave should make a sosumi theme for netscape.. :cool:
<strong>That's strange. I've got a g4 533 digital audio with a 1.5mbps cable modem.
10.1.1 with sosumi.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I don't think sosumi would effect your web browsing speed
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oh come on... IE for the mac is crap compared to the windows version. it has a few nicer features and supposedly is more compatible but the speed and responsiveness sucks. rendering speed is horrible and it doesn't take advantage of any OS X specific features such as sheets, quartz, etc.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Carbon apps so far can't use Quartz for text rendering. That is why Omniweb is the only browser that does so. Have you tried any of the Sneaky Peek versions of Omniweb 4.1?
<a href="http://www.omnigroup.com/ftp/pub/outgoing/sneakypeek/"; target="_blank">http://www.omnigroup.com/ftp/pub/outgoing/sneakypeek/</a>;
<strong>For the past day I have been using mozilla 0.9.6..
The rendering speed is VERY fast. Try loading versiontracker with explorer and then try it with mozilla. wow. Also mozilla lets you change the speed of the scrollwheel which is really cool.
The only drawback is that mozilla uses it's own themes instead of using osx's extra.rscr file.
Then sosumi would work for mozilla too!
Maybe sinewave should make a sosumi theme for netscape.. :cool: </strong><hr></blockquote>
Not sure how Netscape makes themes.. where is the documentation for this?
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Carbon apps so far can't use Quartz for text rendering. That is why Omniweb is the only browser that does so. Have you tried any of the Sneaky Peek versions of Omniweb 4.1?
<a href="http://www.omnigroup.com/ftp/pub/outgoing/sneakypeek/"; target="_blank">http://www.omnigroup.com/ftp/pub/outgoing/sneakypeek/</a></strong><hr></blockquote>;
but Office uses quartz for text rendering in certain parts and is all carbon.
have tried a few sneakypeaks. nothing special. try to like omniweb but it just annoys me too often in its shortcomings
Also, the platinum controls in web pages in IE5 = UGH
It looks very windowx xpish. It is going to take some time before I get used to this app. It looks very bloated but the calendar looks very nice.
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but Office uses quartz for text rendering in certain parts and is all carbon.<hr></blockquote></strong>
In Window dialogs it can use Quartz. For text you type out it can't
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have tried a few sneakypeaks. nothing special. try to like omniweb but it just annoys me too often in its shortcomings</strong><hr></blockquote>
Seems lots of things "annoy" you too much.
Why don't you email omniweb over and over again and bitch and complain and DEMAND them to change the annoying parts just to suit you?
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and the reason behind this is? I don't understand why Excel would be able to use antialiased graphics but word would not be able to use text.
[quote]Seems lots of things "annoy" you too much.
Why don't you email omniweb over and over again and bitch and complain and DEMAND them to change the annoying parts just to suit you? <hr></blockquote>
how about no. they are working on them and are open to changes and suggestions unlike some other places I know.
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and the reason behind this is? I don't understand why Excel would be able to use antialiased graphics but word would not be able to use text.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
It's not supported in Carbon. Carbon can't directly access Quartz yet. BUT I HAVE heard that there is a hack you COULD use through QuickDraw to do this. But it is buggy and doesn't provide consistent results.
That's carbon, and it accesses Quartz. Oh, so does iTunes2 - notice that now, in the "search" field, when you input text, it's antialiased by Quartz...
<strong>What bout the finder, Sinewave?
That's carbon, and it accesses Quartz. Oh, so does iTunes2 - notice that now, in the "search" field, when you input text, it's antialiased by Quartz...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ok.. I just asked some one that is a part of the Finder team about this.. Apple hacks quickdraw to use quartz to render text. It's a hack.
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It's not supported in Carbon. Carbon can't directly access Quartz yet. BUT I HAVE heard that there is a hack you COULD use through QuickDraw to do this. But it is buggy and doesn't provide consistent results.</strong><hr></blockquote>
don't mean to bug you if you don't know the answer but that just doesn't make sense.
as shwn several apps such as iTunes and the Finder do have quartz rendering for inputed text, there is quartz rendering for graphics, etc. and isn't quartz rendering being implemented into go live and is in illustrator?
<strong>Ok.. I just asked some one that is a part of the Finder team about this.. Apple hacks quickdraw to use quartz to render text. It's a hack.</strong><hr></blockquote>
For CoreGraphics, the default for Carbon apps is to retain the old-style OS9-era font smoothing. The newer AA is certainly available, but is not the default because Carbon apps were expected to be the "bridge crossing" apps that would work in both OS9 and OSX. Several new Carbon apps like the Finder, iTunes, and Snapz (many others I'm sure, but I'm not at my X machine now) have been written to properly take advantage of AA. IE and Office v.X are just examples of shoddy, poorly-coded ports.
[ 11-25-2001: Message edited by: starfleetX ]</p>
Maybe someday...