A world where people share WiFi! A happy world with rainbows and flowers where anyone can... park in front of my house and download child porn and have it traceable to my IP address.....
Uh, no thanks Steve. I'll leave my WPA encryption turned on, thanks.
I can only wonder whether this keenest on Jobs part is a result of the prospective gPhone, by Google, and how Google is alining itself in the market?
I'm not so sure the gPhone speculation folks have missed the mark. Google wants everyone to be able to use their services so they can get the usage and advertising data. Making their own OS would restrict the number of folks that could do that. Not to mention Schmidt, CEO of Google is on Apple's board.
I think it's more likely Google is going to roll out platform agnostic tools that make using their tools on mobile devices far easier. Especially if those devices are iPhones, maybe running Goglre Docs etc...
I hope Sj browses this forum and especially this thread.
There's this thing called WiMAX. Have you heard of it? It being pushed by your buddy Paul over at Intel. They're even going to support it on the next chipset for the iPhone.
You really ought to give it a look.
You really ought to give it another look yourself! And I'll bet Jobs knows a lot more about it than you do.
One of the problems with sharing your net connection freely over WiFi is liability.
What if some disturbed individual parks in front of your house and uses your open WiFi to download child pornography onto his laptop? Some server out there will have *YOUR* IP as the address that downloaded the data.
When the server gets busted, the authorities will come after YOU for child porn. Do you really want to deal with that?
A less extreme example would be your neighbor running p2p file sharing all day, causing you to get one of those threat letters from the RIAA.
That's the problem with being generous with your connection. Anything illegal done on it by "war drivers" can come back to haunt you later.
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Originally Posted by CharlesS
A world where people share WiFi! A happy world with rainbows and flowers where anyone can... park in front of my house and download child porn and have it traceable to my IP address.....
Uh, no thanks Steve. I'll leave my WPA encryption turned on, thanks.
This isn't OPEN wifi access, it is shared access to FON users. All FON users are registered and have loggable IDs. This would make it a bad idea to use a personally traceable connection to do bad things even if someone else is providing the access point.
I may be asking for a lot but what will really unlock the potential of the iPhone is having a 'wireless' signal anywhere, anytime with speeds that are equivalent to todays wireless networks (802.11g).
So, 3G and 3.5G then, as is available here on proper phones.
I hope Sj browses this forum and especially this thread.
There's this thing called WiMAX. Have you heard of it? It being pushed by your buddy Paul over at Intel. They're even going to support it on the next chipset for the iPhone.
You really ought to give it a look.
Intel was supposed to put WiMax in previous chipsets. It would not surprise me if they delay it yet again.
Come to think of it, WiMax is supposedly going to be just another 3G technology rather than competition:
OT, but: gPhones' OS is a Google-steered flavour of embedded linux, with google apps and UI on top of it.
The main competitors are Symbian (soon to die a slow death) and Microsoft's Windows Mobile. WM has little market penetration. All the phone manufacturers are investing in linux, and gPhone might make their lives easier.
As an iPhone user - enable FON on your iMac or Airport, or buy the "new Apple iPhone Access Point (with FON)" and access WiFi anywhere another iPhone user (or Mac user) lives
I remember a Wired interview from several years ago where Steve was saying that telephones aren't very interesting when you only have a few of them, but they get very interesting when there's 10,000 or more....
Wow, so many people consider Jobs the victim of the eeeeevil music companies - the PR machine has done its job. Hell, I bet a lot of you have actually shelled out money for ringtones that other phone users can have for free. HAH HAH! (nb: I have an iPhone and I love it)
But really: why would the "music industry" care if I put my kid's voice on my phone? Puh-leeze. Face it, Jobolytes: you're being sold a bill of goods. Jobs is a greedy corporate hypocrite and ringtones could absolutely be free - if they didn't make money for Apple through iTunes.
As for wi-fi, Jobs can tap into mine for $.99 a minute and I'll only charge him an additional $.99 for each web page he visits. That's a great bargain!
So, 3G and 3.5G then, as is available here on proper phones.
I read an article over at Ars where they tested a 3g laptop card. The performance seemed spotty to me. In some cases speed was comparable to DSL and at other times it was just better than dial up. Perhaps it's different over there in Europe.
The IP issue would be easy to solve. Create a VPN tunnel from the roaming FON user to the FON servers, and every Alien or Linus or whatsoever has his very own, correctly traceable FON IP. Just as it is already up, running and working in almost every street of Aachen, Germany, provided by UniDSL and the RWTH University, supported by some 2000 private clients' DSL wifi access points. The rest is scaling -- and the will to do it. As long as the FON guys do not show that will, I'm not in.
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Uh, no thanks Steve. I'll leave my WPA encryption turned on, thanks.
I can only wonder whether this keenest on Jobs part is a result of the prospective gPhone, by Google, and how Google is alining itself in the market?
I'm not so sure the gPhone speculation folks have missed the mark. Google wants everyone to be able to use their services so they can get the usage and advertising data. Making their own OS would restrict the number of folks that could do that. Not to mention Schmidt, CEO of Google is on Apple's board.
I think it's more likely Google is going to roll out platform agnostic tools that make using their tools on mobile devices far easier. Especially if those devices are iPhones, maybe running Goglre Docs etc...
I hope Sj browses this forum and especially this thread.
There's this thing called WiMAX. Have you heard of it? It being pushed by your buddy Paul over at Intel. They're even going to support it on the next chipset for the iPhone.
You really ought to give it a look.
You really ought to give it another look yourself! And I'll bet Jobs knows a lot more about it than you do.
One of the problems with sharing your net connection freely over WiFi is liability.
What if some disturbed individual parks in front of your house and uses your open WiFi to download child pornography onto his laptop? Some server out there will have *YOUR* IP as the address that downloaded the data.
When the server gets busted, the authorities will come after YOU for child porn. Do you really want to deal with that?
A less extreme example would be your neighbor running p2p file sharing all day, causing you to get one of those threat letters from the RIAA.
That's the problem with being generous with your connection. Anything illegal done on it by "war drivers" can come back to haunt you later.
A world where people share WiFi! A happy world with rainbows and flowers where anyone can... park in front of my house and download child porn and have it traceable to my IP address.....
Uh, no thanks Steve. I'll leave my WPA encryption turned on, thanks.
This isn't OPEN wifi access, it is shared access to FON users. All FON users are registered and have loggable IDs. This would make it a bad idea to use a personally traceable connection to do bad things even if someone else is providing the access point.
I'm wondering if this could be simulated via software, although I'm sure it wouldn't be as secure as if it would be two seperate modules.
-Clive
Firmware. It should be fairly trivial, and it would be just as secure as single channel access since it is a firmware difference.
I may be asking for a lot but what will really unlock the potential of the iPhone is having a 'wireless' signal anywhere, anytime with speeds that are equivalent to todays wireless networks (802.11g).
So, 3G and 3.5G then, as is available here on proper phones.
I hope Sj browses this forum and especially this thread.
There's this thing called WiMAX. Have you heard of it? It being pushed by your buddy Paul over at Intel. They're even going to support it on the next chipset for the iPhone.
You really ought to give it a look.
Intel was supposed to put WiMax in previous chipsets. It would not surprise me if they delay it yet again.
Come to think of it, WiMax is supposedly going to be just another 3G technology rather than competition:
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/communicatio...9290156,00.htm
A world where people share WiFi!
IT'S CALLED A ZUNE!!!!! HELLO!!!!
OT, but: gPhones' OS is a Google-steered flavour of embedded linux, with google apps and UI on top of it.
The main competitors are Symbian (soon to die a slow death) and Microsoft's Windows Mobile. WM has little market penetration. All the phone manufacturers are investing in linux, and gPhone might make their lives easier.
As an iPhone user - enable FON on your iMac or Airport, or buy the "new Apple iPhone Access Point (with FON)" and access WiFi anywhere another iPhone user (or Mac user) lives
I remember a Wired interview from several years ago where Steve was saying that telephones aren't very interesting when you only have a few of them, but they get very interesting when there's 10,000 or more....
I think you're on the right track here.
IT'S CALLED A ZUNE!!!!! HELLO!!!!
he said 'WORLD', not 'half a dozen people'.... HELLO???
Intel was supposed to put WiMax in previous chipsets. It would not surprise me if they delay it yet again.
Come to think of it, WiMax is supposedly going to be just another 3G technology rather than competition:
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/communicatio...9290156,00.htm
Wimax is a 4g tech based on its speeds but has been deemed a 3g because the ITU us bias of the tech
Moreover Neuf and "Free" (an other french provider) already have their own network of all their members sharing WiFi if they will
But really: why would the "music industry" care if I put my kid's voice on my phone? Puh-leeze. Face it, Jobolytes: you're being sold a bill of goods. Jobs is a greedy corporate hypocrite and ringtones could absolutely be free - if they didn't make money for Apple through iTunes.
As for wi-fi, Jobs can tap into mine for $.99 a minute and I'll only charge him an additional $.99 for each web page he visits. That's a great bargain!
So, 3G and 3.5G then, as is available here on proper phones.
I read an article over at Ars where they tested a 3g laptop card. The performance seemed spotty to me. In some cases speed was comparable to DSL and at other times it was just better than dial up. Perhaps it's different over there in Europe.
To: SpamSandwich and others
Not sure how it is in other areas, but CLWR is not WiMax (at least not so in Seattle - but soon to be upgraded).
I was not aware of that. What is their upgrade timeline?
Jobs's interest in FON may be driven by the prospect of ubiquitous WiFi access for owners of his company's new iPhone and iPod Touch handhelds.
[ View this article at AppleInsider.com ]
May be?
Cough, cough......
I don't think it happened
I do think Apple may have CALLED him and talked to him about infringement on an Apple patent that does what FON does
I don't have any information about patents I am just guessing, although my guesses usually end being correct in the long run
Confessions of a Zune owner ...
http://blogs.pcworld.com/digitalworl...ssions_of.html
Survey: 70% of Microsoft Zune owners ready to switch to Apple iPod or iPhone
Monday, July 23, 2007 - 12:39 AM EDT
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