But I may respectfully point out that the multi-touch screen idea has precedents out there. One example has been shown by Jeff Han (see the February 2006 TED talk). Notice how he handles pictures on his virtual platform. This is no Star Trek, but a enabled application that shows both utility and novelty. Curiously this presentation was given almost a year prior to Steve's iPhone announcement at MacWorld 2007. Hopefully we're not gonna experience a Xerox-Lisa-Mac syndrome all over again.
One example. Where have you been? Jeff Han pioneered all of it. Even Minority Report was based on his stuff. Apple has some sort of an arrangement with Jeff Han involving similar patents. I believe Microsoft should have some arrangements with him too, but I wouldn't put it past them not to. They'll probably try to rip him off like they do XEROX, and Apple.
Living under a rock. Not much is going on down there.\
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Jeff Han pioneered all of it. Even Minority Report was based on his stuff.
I stand corrected.
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Apple has some sort of an arrangement with Jeff Han involving similar patents. I believe Microsoft should have some arrangements with him too, but I wouldn't put it past them not to. They'll probably try to rip him off like they do XEROX, and Apple.
Apparently it's FingerWorks that was acquired by Apple. Not sure how Jeff fits in this transaction. I was hoping to find some clarification, but all I found is a March 2007 NY Times article instead. I'm hoping what's not said is Jeff receiving generous compensation.
Apparently it's FingerWorks that was acquired by Apple. Not sure how Jeff fits in this transaction. I was hoping to find some clarification, but all I found is a March 2007 NY Times article instead. I'm hoping what's not said is Jeff receiving generous compensation.
The Fingerworks acquisition, and the "thing" with Jeff Han have nothing to do with each other.
I would love for my Wacom tablet to have a few multi-touch features to manipulate images and objects (rotating an object along an axis with a finger while painting with the stylus, for example), but I don't see how that surface can double as my keyboard. My tablet is skewed to favor my right-handedness, and the tablet and keyboard are at completely different angles to my desk (for comfort). Not to mention that I frequently am giving one set of inputs with one hand on the keyboard while I am moving my cursor/providing input with my stylus (most people do the same thing with a mouse). If your surface doubles as your keyboard and stylus/mouse, not sure how you can keep both going at once. It may be able to switch to mouse mode automatically when I drag my finger across the surface, but what if I'm just tapping on a paint swatch or trying to select a file on my desktop? Seems like there has to be at least two independent surfaces.
One example. Where have you been? Jeff Han pioneered all of it. Even Minority Report was based on his stuff. Apple has some sort of an arrangement with Jeff Han involving similar patents. I believe Microsoft should have some arrangements with him too, but I wouldn't put it past them not to. They'll probably try to rip him off like they do XEROX, and Apple.
You must be being sarcastic. Jeff Han did not pioneer multitouch and as far as I know holds no patents on FTIR for which there should be numerous prior art. He did get a nice little contract from DARPA to kick off his company.
He also did not influence Minority Report. Looking at the concept art for MR and these cannot be implemented with any of the stuff Han was working on at NYU...primarily FTIR
MS likely has no current arrangements with Han and there shouldn't be a real need to since they have their own excellent team and has hired some of the folks that DID pioneer multitouch...like Bill Buxton.
I'm waiting on the MS MultiTouch SDK. The current examples look pretty exciting and while their timeline keeps getting pushed to the right it still seems to be further along that things like OpenTouch. Which is actually kinda interesting since there is an osx/xcode version...
Multitouch has been around since 1982. In 1992 Tog created a video that showed a multi-touch workstation while he was at Sun. Given that Han was an undergrad at Cornell in 1998 the field of multi-touch predates him by nearly two decades before he started working on it.
You must be being sarcastic. Jeff Han did not pioneer multitouch and as far as I know holds no patents on FTIR for which there should be numerous prior art. He did get a nice little contract from DARPA to kick off his company.
He also did not influence Minority Report. Looking at the concept art for MR and these cannot be implemented with any of the stuff Han was working on at NYU...primarily FTIR
I'm not so sure about Han not being the influencer of Minority Report. Spielberg held a little conference with futurists and visionaries prior to making the movie to get a feel for where things could be in the future. No doubt someone familiar with Jeff Han's work contributed to this discussion, if not Han himself.
I'm not so sure about Han not being the influencer of Minority Report. Spielberg held a little conference with futurists and visionaries prior to making the movie to get a feel for where things could be in the future. No doubt someone familiar with Jeff Han's work contributed to this discussion, if not Han himself.
Speculation. When did pre-production of Minority Report take place? The movie came out in 2002, so that futuristic meeting took place probably in 2000 or before. Jeff Han was at Cornell in 1998, and he quit to start up a video conferencing company (thanks to Wikipedia), so I doubt he had much hand in the 2000 meeting, let alone an advanced and public body of work on the topic.
Jeff Han didn't invent multitouch anyways, his ideas regard "interface-free" designing. He sure can show it off though. And he's making fat stacks of cash either way, as most people associated with Cornell and NYU evidently do or could if they wanted to...save the janitors.
I'm not so sure about Han not being the influencer of Minority Report. Spielberg held a little conference with futurists and visionaries prior to making the movie to get a feel for where things could be in the future. No doubt someone familiar with Jeff Han's work contributed to this discussion, if not Han himself.
No. According to Wikipedia that conference occured in 1999. At that point Han was doing CU See Me.
Why is it so hard to believe that Han did not invent something that is almost as old as he is? He's a slick presenter and bright guy but even he acknowledges that he isn't even the first to use FTIR as the basis for multi-touch.
More than likely, Minority Report is what influenced Han to do more MT research. Timeframe is about right...2002 movie to 2005 SIGGRAPH presentation. Trust me, give a bright person 3 years and a couple grad students and you can create some amazing stuff.
Nothing more than an upgraded version of the Fingerworks Touchstream LP, still going for up to $1000 on eBay.
The "dreams of Star Trek"? More rubbish. When did Trek ever use MultiTouch? All they ever had were fake single-point touchscreens, no gestural or pressure input. At most, they used three fingers to simulate the original transporter sliders. Take Trek off that pedestal where it doesn't belong and come back to the real world.
I think not. Where does the article say anything about a tablet computer or even a touchscreen? This is a replacement for keyboard and mouse, as the last sentence said.
That woman is freakishly good looking for her age. I mean now not then. She was hot then too, but I was like 4, or 5.
I think she was only like 20 in that picture. I saw her the other day as the principal in "Sky High" and she is still smokin! I wish she was my principal in high school.
I would have done mischief to get sent to the principal's office every day!
Wait. Back on topic. So what about this patent then? When will they debut products based on this stuff? If not macworld when? The February sdk announcement as in a mactouch? Or later in the year?
Perhaps soon we'll see the iOrb from Apple. I envision a grapefruit sized ball that responds to squeezes, taps and multiple finger input. That would be hilarious.
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Agreed.
But I may respectfully point out that the multi-touch screen idea has precedents out there. One example has been shown by Jeff Han (see the February 2006 TED talk). Notice how he handles pictures on his virtual platform. This is no Star Trek, but a enabled application that shows both utility and novelty. Curiously this presentation was given almost a year prior to Steve's iPhone announcement at MacWorld 2007. Hopefully we're not gonna experience a Xerox-Lisa-Mac syndrome all over again.
One example. Where have you been? Jeff Han pioneered all of it. Even Minority Report was based on his stuff. Apple has some sort of an arrangement with Jeff Han involving similar patents. I believe Microsoft should have some arrangements with him too, but I wouldn't put it past them not to. They'll probably try to rip him off like they do XEROX, and Apple.
One example. Where have you been?
Living under a rock. Not much is going on down there.
Jeff Han pioneered all of it. Even Minority Report was based on his stuff.
I stand corrected.
Apple has some sort of an arrangement with Jeff Han involving similar patents. I believe Microsoft should have some arrangements with him too, but I wouldn't put it past them not to. They'll probably try to rip him off like they do XEROX, and Apple.
Apparently it's FingerWorks that was acquired by Apple. Not sure how Jeff fits in this transaction. I was hoping to find some clarification, but all I found is a March 2007 NY Times article instead. I'm hoping what's not said is Jeff receiving generous compensation.
Apparently it's FingerWorks that was acquired by Apple. Not sure how Jeff fits in this transaction. I was hoping to find some clarification, but all I found is a March 2007 NY Times article instead. I'm hoping what's not said is Jeff receiving generous compensation.
The Fingerworks acquisition, and the "thing" with Jeff Han have nothing to do with each other.
Debuting in Macworld January 2008.
Dream on.
One example. Where have you been? Jeff Han pioneered all of it. Even Minority Report was based on his stuff. Apple has some sort of an arrangement with Jeff Han involving similar patents. I believe Microsoft should have some arrangements with him too, but I wouldn't put it past them not to. They'll probably try to rip him off like they do XEROX, and Apple.
You must be being sarcastic. Jeff Han did not pioneer multitouch and as far as I know holds no patents on FTIR for which there should be numerous prior art. He did get a nice little contract from DARPA to kick off his company.
He also did not influence Minority Report. Looking at the concept art for MR and these cannot be implemented with any of the stuff Han was working on at NYU...primarily FTIR
MS likely has no current arrangements with Han and there shouldn't be a real need to since they have their own excellent team and has hired some of the folks that DID pioneer multitouch...like Bill Buxton.
I'm waiting on the MS MultiTouch SDK. The current examples look pretty exciting and while their timeline keeps getting pushed to the right it still seems to be further along that things like OpenTouch. Which is actually kinda interesting since there is an osx/xcode version...
Multitouch has been around since 1982. In 1992 Tog created a video that showed a multi-touch workstation while he was at Sun. Given that Han was an undergrad at Cornell in 1998 the field of multi-touch predates him by nearly two decades before he started working on it.
You must be being sarcastic. Jeff Han did not pioneer multitouch and as far as I know holds no patents on FTIR for which there should be numerous prior art. He did get a nice little contract from DARPA to kick off his company.
He also did not influence Minority Report. Looking at the concept art for MR and these cannot be implemented with any of the stuff Han was working on at NYU...primarily FTIR
I'm not so sure about Han not being the influencer of Minority Report. Spielberg held a little conference with futurists and visionaries prior to making the movie to get a feel for where things could be in the future. No doubt someone familiar with Jeff Han's work contributed to this discussion, if not Han himself.
I'm not so sure about Han not being the influencer of Minority Report. Spielberg held a little conference with futurists and visionaries prior to making the movie to get a feel for where things could be in the future. No doubt someone familiar with Jeff Han's work contributed to this discussion, if not Han himself.
Speculation. When did pre-production of Minority Report take place? The movie came out in 2002, so that futuristic meeting took place probably in 2000 or before. Jeff Han was at Cornell in 1998, and he quit to start up a video conferencing company (thanks to Wikipedia), so I doubt he had much hand in the 2000 meeting, let alone an advanced and public body of work on the topic.
Jeff Han didn't invent multitouch anyways, his ideas regard "interface-free" designing. He sure can show it off though. And he's making fat stacks of cash either way, as most people associated with Cornell and NYU evidently do or could if they wanted to...save the janitors.
I'm not so sure about Han not being the influencer of Minority Report. Spielberg held a little conference with futurists and visionaries prior to making the movie to get a feel for where things could be in the future. No doubt someone familiar with Jeff Han's work contributed to this discussion, if not Han himself.
No. According to Wikipedia that conference occured in 1999. At that point Han was doing CU See Me.
Why is it so hard to believe that Han did not invent something that is almost as old as he is? He's a slick presenter and bright guy but even he acknowledges that he isn't even the first to use FTIR as the basis for multi-touch.
More than likely, Minority Report is what influenced Han to do more MT research. Timeframe is about right...2002 movie to 2005 SIGGRAPH presentation. Trust me, give a bright person 3 years and a couple grad students and you can create some amazing stuff.
Nothing more than an upgraded version of the Fingerworks Touchstream LP, still going for up to $1000 on eBay.
The "dreams of Star Trek"? More rubbish. When did Trek ever use MultiTouch? All they ever had were fake single-point touchscreens, no gestural or pressure input. At most, they used three fingers to simulate the original transporter sliders. Take Trek off that pedestal where it doesn't belong and come back to the real world.
I think not. Where does the article say anything about a tablet computer or even a touchscreen? This is a replacement for keyboard and mouse, as the last sentence said.
The flip phone on Star Trek: The Original Series
Karate Chop extra!
Sounds like future Mac users will all dress like this...
That woman is freakishly good looking for her age. I mean now not then. She was hot then too, but I was like 4, or 5.
That woman is freakishly good looking for her age. I mean now not then. She was hot then too, but I was like 4, or 5.
I think she was only like 20 in that picture. I saw her the other day as the principal in "Sky High" and she is still smokin! I wish she was my principal in high school.
I would have done mischief to get sent to the principal's office every day!