No way. Too many othter phones rely on Edge. Their 3G network is not anywhere near as large as their Edge network. I don't see Edge going anywhere anytime soon.
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So, when they do come out with this 3G, what happens to us iPhone owners with current Edge technology? Do we loose data capability or will AT&T just have both systems in place, the older Edge and newer 3G so current iPhone owners still get what they paid for and newer owners just get the faster service??
It is not like they are going to turn off Edge folks are they?
The iPhone, as the software is today, looks like a cut and slash effort to ship what works and hope that nobody really takes notice until the Mobile Mac OS can be updated.
What evidence do you have of this? I bought the iPhone in its second week of sales and everything worked fine. Over these months the only app that needed a lot of stability improvement was Safari. It used to crash frequently. Now after firmware updates I rarely notice it crashing.
3G is highly overrated. People buy 3G phones because they think it is so much better and then complain about the ridiculous costs and the terrible battery life of their phones...
I would love to see some figures on how many people who have a 3G phone actually use anything on the phone that require 3G.. from what I hear from my Euro friends, once they had their 3G phones for 2 or 3 weeks, or whenever they received their first bill, their opinion on 3G changed drastically.
These are great questions and observations. I don't expect that you'll get any real answers, though! \
(I have not read ahead.... so, let me say in advance that I stand corrected if I am wrong about that!).
Why do people think that having a 3G phone increase the price of your bill. If you have a unlimited data plan, it's a set rate. Whether you have 3G or not. Am I missing something. Unless they were tethering when they shouldn't have.
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These are great questions and observations. I don't expect that you'll get any real answers, though! \
(I have not read ahead.... so, let me say in advance that I stand corrected if I am wrong about that!).
3G is not overrated. Skype and Vtap are the two main programs I use with 3G. Web surfing is very fast. Video streaming from Cingular video actually works with out the beach ball of death. Google Maps works much better with 3G. I could continue, but I'll just say 3G is not overrated. Battery life isn't terrible. It all depends on how often you like to charge your battery.
OK, per my previous post, I stand corrected! :-)
But: Has anyone compared speeds of 2.5G on the iPhone with 3G on other smartphones. The reason I ask is, I have found maps, Youtube (surprisingly), email, and stocks to be plenty fast when there are 5 bars. Content-rich websites are slower, no doubt, but slightly better than dial-up.
What do you mean by "battery life isn't terrible?" What is "not terrible." Currently, the iPhone's battery life is good.
It's not just the phone that needs to have 3G, it also has to be within range of a cell tower that can utilize the hardware. If you don't think 3G is much faster than 2.5G then you aren't near a proper tower.
I can see that those are features you want. But I don't know if I would call the iPhone incomplete because of their absence. Many phones do not have these functions.
I agree a more open access to bluetooth is needed, disk mode is needed. I think SMS and Mail need to be landscape but I don't think every app has to be landscape.
I agree that what may be "required" features to some are irrelevant to others, and Apple has made the call on what's in and out.
But what makes little sense is the absence of basic iPhone features/functionality that are universal to all other phones in the European market, not just smart phones (eg. the well known SMS limitations for a market that is a huge and growing users of text messaging). Tariffs aside, it's preventing me from getting one, and has resulted in one mate returning his. This stuff seems so basic and important enough to some of us as to to limit its utility and I'm surprised Apple hasn't addressed it.
The battery will last a day and a half on my Blackjack, with modest Web/Youtube (Vtap) use, with Skype open, Messenger open, AIM open, and Yahoo chat open, with maybe 2 hours of actual talking...all with a 3G signal.
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OK, per my previous post, I stand corrected! :-)
What do you mean by "battery life isn't terrible?" What is "not terrible." Currently, the iPhone's battery life is good.
It's all well and good having the full scaleable Internet in yer ass pocket. And the faster the better eh? But wait a minute - there's something missing. Oh yes, a flash player, the tiny element that makes viewing the Internet a full experience.
Apple and other participating networks - up the speed of the handset by all means. But Apple and Adobe? With all the love shared between Mac users and Adobe design products? Jeees, it's just a teeny weeny flash player, it can't be that hard to support surely!!
Sorry people I digress. OK, for me to part with my hard earned cash. I want 3G and flash player compatible, then the iPhone will truly come to life.
But what makes little sense is the absence of basic iPhone features/functionality that are universal to all other phones in the European market, not just smart phones (eg. the well known SMS limitations for a market that is a huge and growing users of text messaging).
I see what you are saying. There are some things that there is no technological barrier to doing now.
I'm now texting more than I ever have. So I'm fairly new to it. I've seen fiends of mine sending multiple SMS. I can see the convenience of it. What I also see what they had to do to send the messages was very un-Apple like. Will just have be patient and see what happens in the near future.
It's all well and good having the full scaleable Internet in yer ass pocket. And the faster the better eh? But wait a minute - there's something missing. Oh yes, a flash player, the tiny element that makes viewing the Internet a full experience.
Apple and other participating networks - up the speed of the handset by all means. But Apple and Adobe? With all the love shared between Mac users and Adobe design products? Jeees, it's just a teeny weeny flash player, it can't be that hard to support surely!!
Sorry people I digress. OK, for me to part with my hard earned cash. I want 3G and flash player compatible, then the iPhone will truly come to life.
Then write it! Adobe apparently doesn't care enough about Flash to create a viable version for cell phones or OS X, much less the iPhone.
I personally have no love for Java or Flash. I'm glad Apple isn't muddling the iPhone with such crappy software.
Oh yes, a flash player, the tiny element that makes viewing the Internet a full experience.
Unless for some reason you have to visit flash only sites. Honestly for the most part you don't miss flash on the iPhone. The only part you miss out on is flash video. But On2 is a crappy crappy codec. I think people who only build flash sites with no option of HTML aren't doing us any favors.
I see what you are saying. There are some things that there is no technological barrier to doing now.
I'm now texting more than I ever have. So I'm fairly new to it. I've seen fiends of mine sending multiple SMS. I can see the convenience of it. What I also see what they had to do to send the messages was very un-Apple like. Will just have be patient and see what happens in the near future.
Outside corporate use, I'd say substantially more texts are sent than emails in the UK especially and (probably Europe) by the average punter, and the iPhone really is targeted at these non-corporate customers.
To many of us, what Apple has done is similar to limiting a user's ability to email just one person at a time (and having to re-type the message again for each and every recipient given the lack of cut & paste). It's quite puzzling; I have to think it was done by design.
Outside corporate use, I'd say substantially more texts are sent than emails in the UK especially and (probably Europe) by the average punter, and the iPhone really is targeted at these non-corporate customers.
To many of us, what Apple has done is similar to limiting a user's ability to email just one person at a time (and having to re-type the message again for each and every recipient given the lack of cut & paste). It's quite puzzling; I have to think it was done by design.
You can do all of this by email without the SMS cost.
Send a message to your friend's mobile-phone-number-based email address and it'll get delivered as an SMS text message. Attach a picture to that email and it'll get delivered to your friend's mobile phone as an MMS message. Voila! You now have an MMS messaging equivalent. If only there was a nice and convenient compilation of wireless carriers' mobile phone email addresses. Hmmm. You mean like this?
Odd that this sort of announcement would come from outside Apple Inc. don't you think? Will Mr. Stephenson feel the wrath of Steve over this announcement?
Yes, at&t is probably on thin ice with The Steve. I'd be plenty ticked if this happened with my product announcement.
If iPhone sales weren't flat on black Friday they sure will be for the rest of the holiday season. What bad timing to make that announcement! That just shows how AT&T was a bad choice for a carrier. Who would buy an iPhone at this time now? And I agreee it will be for the same price and with 16G.
Steve has got to be hopping mad over this... "I gots to kick me some Ma Bell butt!"
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So, when they do come out with this 3G, what happens to us iPhone owners with current Edge technology? Do we loose data capability or will AT&T just have both systems in place, the older Edge and newer 3G so current iPhone owners still get what they paid for and newer owners just get the faster service??
It is not like they are going to turn off Edge folks are they?
tj
The iPhone, as the software is today, looks like a cut and slash effort to ship what works and hope that nobody really takes notice until the Mobile Mac OS can be updated.
What evidence do you have of this? I bought the iPhone in its second week of sales and everything worked fine. Over these months the only app that needed a lot of stability improvement was Safari. It used to crash frequently. Now after firmware updates I rarely notice it crashing.
3G is highly overrated. People buy 3G phones because they think it is so much better and then complain about the ridiculous costs and the terrible battery life of their phones...
I would love to see some figures on how many people who have a 3G phone actually use anything on the phone that require 3G.. from what I hear from my Euro friends, once they had their 3G phones for 2 or 3 weeks, or whenever they received their first bill, their opinion on 3G changed drastically.
These are great questions and observations. I don't expect that you'll get any real answers, though!
(I have not read ahead.... so, let me say in advance that I stand corrected if I am wrong about that!).
These are great questions and observations. I don't expect that you'll get any real answers, though!
(I have not read ahead.... so, let me say in advance that I stand corrected if I am wrong about that!).
Use 1) Skype
Use 2) Vtap
Use 3) Web surfing
User ) Tethering
Use 5) Video streaming
Use 6) Music streaming
My bill has been what I though it would be.
3G is not overrated. Skype and Vtap are the two main programs I use with 3G. Web surfing is very fast. Video streaming from Cingular video actually works with out the beach ball of death. Google Maps works much better with 3G. I could continue, but I'll just say 3G is not overrated. Battery life isn't terrible. It all depends on how often you like to charge your battery.
OK, per my previous post, I stand corrected! :-)
But: Has anyone compared speeds of 2.5G on the iPhone with 3G on other smartphones. The reason I ask is, I have found maps, Youtube (surprisingly), email, and stocks to be plenty fast when there are 5 bars. Content-rich websites are slower, no doubt, but slightly better than dial-up.
What do you mean by "battery life isn't terrible?" What is "not terrible." Currently, the iPhone's battery life is good.
It's not just the phone that needs to have 3G, it also has to be within range of a cell tower that can utilize the hardware. If you don't think 3G is much faster than 2.5G then you aren't near a proper tower.
Isn't that true of 2.5G too?
I can see that those are features you want. But I don't know if I would call the iPhone incomplete because of their absence. Many phones do not have these functions.
I agree a more open access to bluetooth is needed, disk mode is needed. I think SMS and Mail need to be landscape but I don't think every app has to be landscape.
I agree that what may be "required" features to some are irrelevant to others, and Apple has made the call on what's in and out.
But what makes little sense is the absence of basic iPhone features/functionality that are universal to all other phones in the European market, not just smart phones (eg. the well known SMS limitations for a market that is a huge and growing users of text messaging). Tariffs aside, it's preventing me from getting one, and has resulted in one mate returning his. This stuff seems so basic and important enough to some of us as to to limit its utility and I'm surprised Apple hasn't addressed it.
the lack of disk mode or a finder is also a big negative.
Which model phone has a disk mode and the equivalent of a finder?
.... need to get bitch slapped ...
What is that?
Which model phone has a disk mode and the equivalent of a finder?
The iPhone will as soon as the 3rd party apps are done............ LOL
OK, per my previous post, I stand corrected! :-)
What do you mean by "battery life isn't terrible?" What is "not terrible." Currently, the iPhone's battery life is good.
Apple and other participating networks - up the speed of the handset by all means. But Apple and Adobe? With all the love shared between Mac users and Adobe design products? Jeees, it's just a teeny weeny flash player, it can't be that hard to support surely!!
Sorry people I digress. OK, for me to part with my hard earned cash. I want 3G and flash player compatible, then the iPhone will truly come to life.
But what makes little sense is the absence of basic iPhone features/functionality that are universal to all other phones in the European market, not just smart phones (eg. the well known SMS limitations for a market that is a huge and growing users of text messaging).
I see what you are saying. There are some things that there is no technological barrier to doing now.
I'm now texting more than I ever have. So I'm fairly new to it. I've seen fiends of mine sending multiple SMS. I can see the convenience of it. What I also see what they had to do to send the messages was very un-Apple like. Will just have be patient and see what happens in the near future.
It's all well and good having the full scaleable Internet in yer ass pocket. And the faster the better eh? But wait a minute - there's something missing. Oh yes, a flash player, the tiny element that makes viewing the Internet a full experience.
Apple and other participating networks - up the speed of the handset by all means. But Apple and Adobe? With all the love shared between Mac users and Adobe design products? Jeees, it's just a teeny weeny flash player, it can't be that hard to support surely!!
Sorry people I digress. OK, for me to part with my hard earned cash. I want 3G and flash player compatible, then the iPhone will truly come to life.
Then write it! Adobe apparently doesn't care enough about Flash to create a viable version for cell phones or OS X, much less the iPhone.
I personally have no love for Java or Flash. I'm glad Apple isn't muddling the iPhone with such crappy software.
Oh yes, a flash player, the tiny element that makes viewing the Internet a full experience.
Unless for some reason you have to visit flash only sites. Honestly for the most part you don't miss flash on the iPhone. The only part you miss out on is flash video. But On2 is a crappy crappy codec. I think people who only build flash sites with no option of HTML aren't doing us any favors.
I see what you are saying. There are some things that there is no technological barrier to doing now.
I'm now texting more than I ever have. So I'm fairly new to it. I've seen fiends of mine sending multiple SMS. I can see the convenience of it. What I also see what they had to do to send the messages was very un-Apple like. Will just have be patient and see what happens in the near future.
Outside corporate use, I'd say substantially more texts are sent than emails in the UK especially and (probably Europe) by the average punter, and the iPhone really is targeted at these non-corporate customers.
To many of us, what Apple has done is similar to limiting a user's ability to email just one person at a time (and having to re-type the message again for each and every recipient given the lack of cut & paste). It's quite puzzling; I have to think it was done by design.
Outside corporate use, I'd say substantially more texts are sent than emails in the UK especially and (probably Europe) by the average punter, and the iPhone really is targeted at these non-corporate customers.
To many of us, what Apple has done is similar to limiting a user's ability to email just one person at a time (and having to re-type the message again for each and every recipient given the lack of cut & paste). It's quite puzzling; I have to think it was done by design.
You can do all of this by email without the SMS cost.
See http://www.iphonefaq.org/archives/97158
Send a message to your friend's mobile-phone-number-based email address and it'll get delivered as an SMS text message. Attach a picture to that email and it'll get delivered to your friend's mobile phone as an MMS message. Voila! You now have an MMS messaging equivalent. If only there was a nice and convenient compilation of wireless carriers' mobile phone email addresses. Hmmm. You mean like this?
Alltel = [email protected]
AT&T = [email protected]
Boost Mobile = [email protected]
Cingular (AT&T) = [email protected]
Einstein PCS = [email protected]
Sprint = [email protected]
T-Mobile = [email protected]
US Cellular = [email protected]
Verizon Wireless = [email protected]
Virgin Mobile = [email protected]
Odd that this sort of announcement would come from outside Apple Inc. don't you think? Will Mr. Stephenson feel the wrath of Steve over this announcement?
Yes, at&t is probably on thin ice with The Steve. I'd be plenty ticked if this happened with my product announcement.
If iPhone sales weren't flat on black Friday they sure will be for the rest of the holiday season. What bad timing to make that announcement! That just shows how AT&T was a bad choice for a carrier. Who would buy an iPhone at this time now? And I agreee it will be for the same price and with 16G.
Steve has got to be hopping mad over this... "I gots to kick me some Ma Bell butt!"