Looking for a WYSIWYG web program like Claris Home Page 3.0

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in Mac Software edited January 2014
I Have been using Claris Home Page 3.0 since 1996.

I have been looking to change over to a new program

like RapidWeaver, Sandvox http://www.karelia.com ,

NVU, http://www.nvu.com , Komposer,

http://www.kompozer.net and Freeway Express

http://www.softpress.com/products/freewayexpressin.php

(any others out there?)



I am not into learning a new hard program (GoLive CS)

as I want to make my page look like 2007 but I want something easy

like CHP...



I need to put in meta tags, paypal codes in the html and maybe

(future) ad codes along with spam proof e-mail (free with program) or form

mail e-mail that that spam-er can not get to...need to save page as .htm or .html as CHP has many of my pages using both of these and I want to keep them as they have been all these years...



My web page http://www.peafowl.com was the first

peacock web site in 1996 and was # 1 in a search until

a few years ago...several people said that CHP HTML

makes the searchs not read the pages and that is why we are down

on the list...so not its time to get to #1 again...



Any ideas from people who know about all these programs and maybe others out there.

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  • Reply 1 of 19
    icfireballicfireball Posts: 2,594member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dmfett View Post


    I Have been using Claris Home Page 3.0 since 1996.

    I have been looking to change over to a new program

    like RapidWeaver, Sandvox http://www.karelia.com ,

    NVU, http://www.nvu.com , Komposer,

    http://www.kompozer.net and Freeway Express

    http://www.softpress.com/products/freewayexpressin.php

    (any others out there?)



    I am not into learning a new hard program (GoLive CS)

    as I want to make my page look like 2007 but I want something easy

    like CHP...



    I need to put in meta tags, paypal codes in the html and maybe

    (future) ad codes along with spam proof e-mail (free with program) or form

    mail e-mail that that spam-er can not get to...need to save page as .htm or .html as CHP has many of my pages using both of these and I want to keep them as they have been all these years...



    My web page http://www.peafowl.com was the first

    peacock web site in 1996 and was # 1 in a search until

    a few years ago...several people said that CHP HTML

    makes the searchs not read the pages and that is why we are down

    on the list...so not its time to get to #1 again...



    Any ideas from people who know about all these programs and maybe others out there.



    Oh my god. I have just developed a antibiotic resistant strain of Uglyious Websiteitous while viewing your website.



    And Dreamweaver (GoLive and Dreamweaver were merged) is not complicated and hard at all. Just expensive.



    But also, getting a modern WYSIWYG webpage editor will do absolutely nothing in terms of web design. You'll have to learn CSS as well as get a good graphics program (i.e. Photoshop) and learn how to use that graphics program to produce a good looking website.
  • Reply 2 of 19
    midwintermidwinter Posts: 10,060member
    Just get Sandvox.
  • Reply 3 of 19
    dmfettdmfett Posts: 141member
    Well, I really want a simple web design program as I do not need or have the time and money to reinvent the web page wheel...Claris Home Page and other early web page programs were made for people like me...I really like my web site as it is and do not like to be like everyone else as less is better...but would like a simple program for OS 10.4 & up...







    Quote:
    Originally Posted by icfireball View Post


    Oh my god. I have just developed a antibiotic resistant strain of Uglyious Websiteitous while viewing your website.



    And Dreamweaver (GoLive and Dreamweaver were merged) is not complicated and hard at all. Just expensive.



    But also, getting a modern WYSIWYG webpage editor will do absolutely nothing in terms of web design. You'll have to learn CSS as well as get a good graphics program (i.e. Photoshop) and learn how to use that graphics program to produce a good looking website.



  • Reply 4 of 19
    mr. memr. me Posts: 3,219member
    What's wrong with the applications in your OP?
  • Reply 5 of 19
    dmfettdmfett Posts: 141member
    What is OP mean?



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mr. Me View Post


    What's wrong with the applications in your OP?



  • Reply 6 of 19
    dmfettdmfett Posts: 141member
    Is theree any problems with this program NUV (NVU.com)



    Looks much like my old program Claris Home Page 3.0
  • Reply 7 of 19
    midwintermidwinter Posts: 10,060member
    Just get Sandvox.



    Again.
  • Reply 8 of 19
    +++ for Sandvox.



    Or, if you don't want to spend money, have you tried iWeb? With .Mac domain hosting, you could move the whole site and everything would track just fine....
  • Reply 9 of 19
    chuckerchucker Posts: 5,089member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dmfett View Post


    What is OP mean?



    Original post.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dmfett View Post


    Is theree any problems with this program NUV (NVU.com)



    Looks much like my old program Claris Home Page 3.0



    Why don't you just try things out?
  • Reply 10 of 19
    aplnubaplnub Posts: 2,591member
    RapidWeaver here.
  • Reply 11 of 19
    tokentoken Posts: 142member
    I can understand ypur longing for another Claris Homepage 3, i really loved that program back then. But times has changed a lot.



    I think you should look into iWeb, as its really easy to make something both good looking AND minimalist like you seemingly prefer. And ypu can integrate HTML code for stuff like paypal with its 'Insert HTML snippet' feature. It integrates well with .Mac, but its easy to publish to a regular ftp server with an ftp application like Cyberduck. Its free and integrate with the other iApps.
  • Reply 12 of 19
    frank777frank777 Posts: 5,807member
    While I know I sound like a broken record on this, the simple fact is that NONE of the solutions proposed above make it easy to build a database driven site.



    Yes, CHP rocked in its day. But the goalposts have moved, and today even the simplest sites need the database driven ideal coupled with WYSIWYG entry. Blogs are now simple to make, but every other type of site (news-focused, product-focused) is still tedious.



    I think that this category is waiting for such a tool to appear to become the next generation Dreamweaver/GoLive. Ordinarily, I'd think Apple's integrated approach would make it the clear favourite to do this.



    However, their reluctance to decouple .Mac from iWeb may be the thing that keeps them from winning this time around. If Sandvox or RapidWeaver have solutions for building database driven sites I hope they release them soon.



    But RapidWeaver also really needs to build in the Blocks plug-in. The app is useless without it.
  • Reply 13 of 19
    midwintermidwinter Posts: 10,060member
    Well, the real issue is that these days, you just about have to have a degree in web coding to make a professional looking site.



    If a database is a key component, I'd just install Wordpress or Drupal.
  • Reply 14 of 19
    frank777frank777 Posts: 5,807member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by midwinter View Post


    Well, the real issue is that these days, you just about have to have a degree in web coding to make a professional looking site.



    How true.



    I think that some people have a vested interest in keeping professional grade design relegated to coders. Imagine how backward things would be if you have to learn coding just to design a brochure in Quark Xpress or InDesign. Or had to learn complex math just to draw curves in Illustrator.



    The web needs to grow up. Designing a professional website in 2007 should require more emphasis on good design skills than technical wizardry.
  • Reply 15 of 19
    midwintermidwinter Posts: 10,060member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Frank777 View Post


    How true.



    I think that some people have a vested interest in keeping professional grade design relegated to coders. Imagine how backward things would be if you have to learn coding just to design a brochure in Quark Xpress or InDesign. Or had to learn complex math just to draw curves in Illustrator.



    The web needs to grow up. Designing a professional website in 2007 should require more emphasis on good design skills than technical wizardry.



    Well, in defense of the webmonkeys, I would point out that people are often doing very complex things with the web. Once we got to dynamic pages, the game was over for the non-skilled. Sure, you could write a blog using nothing but text files, but that's not what people want anymore. And what people want is complicated. I want dynamically loading pages that are keyword searchable, indexed by month and day, taggable, and have categories! Well, that's pretty complex.



    With that said, I'm pretty happy with the way that the CMSes are going to ready-to-use templates.
  • Reply 16 of 19
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by midwinter View Post


    I'd just install Wordpress or Drupal.



    I agree with midwinter. There is no real point in creating static content that is hard to update. If your website has content that needs frequent updates and requires some level of user interaction, you are better off getting a hosted service that supports Wordpress or Drupal or any of these http://www.opensourcecms.com/.



    The headache in setting these up is easily offset by the variety of theme packs they offer and the ease of creating and updating content.
  • Reply 17 of 19
    wait, can you really insert html into iweb. i have used it to build a beautiful website (www.thesagetable.com, but have been frustrated around not being able to use any html, like for subscribe to my newsletter. is this possible? what am i missing? enlighten me please!!! any help much appreciated.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Token View Post


    I can understand ypur longing for another Claris Homepage 3, i really loved that program back then. But times has changed a lot.



    I think you should look into iWeb, as its really easy to make something both good looking AND minimalist like you seemingly prefer. And ypu can integrate HTML code for stuff like paypal with its 'Insert HTML snippet' feature. It integrates well with .Mac, but its easy to publish to a regular ftp server with an ftp application like Cyberduck. Its free and integrate with the other iApps.



  • Reply 18 of 19
    midwintermidwinter Posts: 10,060member
    1) Open the file up in a text editor like Textwrangler.

    2) Insert code.

    3) ...

    4) Profit!
  • Reply 19 of 19
    Read the tutorials on http://www.htmldog.com



    Then use Coda from Panic.



    http://www.panic.com/coda/





    Otherwise if you really are too lazy/busy to learn basic html/css then any of those you mentioned first are ok. iWeb tends to make incredibly large, slow pages IME. Sandvox or Rapidweaver produce leaner sites.
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