The next version of Windows? shouldn't they be concerned about getting the current version to work right? Going on their timeline, Yes I don't doubt they will have multitouch that rivals or is better than the current (First Generation ) Apple multitouch technology....but by they time the next version of Windows is out, Apple will be releasing a version of the Multi-Thought interface which runs on brain waves. Nice prediction Microsoft, their next advertising slogan might as well be " the most mediocre operating system yet."
Wow, after watching the video that can't be close to market. The software wasn't very responsive. I didn't see any multi-touching going on, the gestures weren't intuitive and the use of Aero may look better than Exposé's All Windows feature but it's not efficient.
The fact that you have a lot of knowledge about something does not mean you have a lot of smarts about that thing.
That's true. But they have some really good graphics engine in the Office OneNote app to handle drawings and hand written text as vectors and Vista has a great hand write recognition even for non-english languages. These technologies are out for years now.
OMG, that was so painful to watch. I only made it about 3 minutes and I couldn't watch anymore. It seemed like he was loosing patience with himself flicking through those items one.....at......a......time and would just select one from the middle, not being able to wait for it to come into view.
And that "gesture". Does it really bring up a picture of a mouse and you click the left or right mouse buttons to simulate a left or right mouse button click???
Yes it was really boring and he didn't show multi-touch. The gestures and that ugly mouse is part of the Dell driver.
You guys can go ahead and laugh all you want about Windows, but let me tell you something: Microsoft may look like a big dumb ogre, but they're not complete idiots. They know that Vista is a bust. They know they are losing users to Apple and they know that if they don't do anything about it, they're going to suffer, big time.
Windows 7 is Microsoft's way of turning over a new leaf. They've already written a new, super small (40MB in-use), non-cluttered Kernel (called MinWin), and from there will rebuild windows in the way Vista was meant to be rebuilt. Windows 7 will be lean and it will be fast. It will, for the first time, be a worthy competitor to Mac OS X, and it will get done on time (or heads WILL roll......... Balmer).
Microsoft has the manpower to do it too. They just need the organization that they've never had before. The main reason for delayed OSes is bad management and legacy support. If Microsoft follows this path (and I think they've resolved their managment issues), they will once again become a force to be reckoned with.
This last decade has been an "easy" one for Apple. Windows has been the sleeping giant. But now it's awake and it is MAD. It's no longer going to be a walk in the park for Apple. This excites me, too, because it'll bring greater competition, and henceforth greater innovation between the two companies. It's a great time to be not only a Mac user, but a Windows user as well. Their side of things are about to get considerably better, I feel.
What a laughable comment. Microsoft is hoping to surpass the iPhone with their next version of Windows. So their goal is now to surpass the 2007 Mac OSX by 2012? Way to raise the bar, kids.
Good for them - Microsoft's 2010 desktop UI will blow away Apple's 2007 mobile UI...
*sarcastic applause*
In 2007, Mac OS X Leopard will blow away Windows Mobile 2003!
That's a joke! When do you really think MS will get the next version of their OS out? They took years with Vista and the only thing it blew away were their loyal fans who were foolish enough to install it with it plague of problems!!
The MS developer who is quoted, whose name is HILTON Locke, must be related to Paris Hilton...if he thinks anybody is really going to buy his hype.
Microsoft is always out to duplicate everything everyone else does.... do they ever come up with something on their own....
Are you serious? Didn't they introduces some new products/services like the Mouse Wheel, Media Center, Tablet PC, online gaming on consoles and wireless sharing/syncing for MP3 players...? They do copy and innovate just like every other company.
Wow, after watching the video that can't be close to market. The software wasn't very responsive. I didn't see any multi-touching going on, the gestures weren't intuitive and the use of Aero may look better than Exposé's All Windows feature but it's not efficient.
I just wanted to show the capacity technology of the Dell notebook. The presentation was really bad. BTW a lot of people compare Exposé to that Flip 3D thing. To be realistic: Flip 3D isn't a feature but another way for the old "Flip" feature. The task bar is what the Exposé's "All Windows" feature is and its always there. It was a mistake to advertise Flip 3D as a feature IMO...
You guys can go ahead and laugh all you want about Windows, but let me tell you something: Microsoft may look like a big dumb ogre, but they're not complete idiots. They know that Vista is a bust. They know they are losing users to Apple and they know that if they don't do anything about it, they're going to suffer, big time.
Windows 7 is Microsoft's way of turning over a new leaf. They've already written a new, super small (40MB in-use), non-cluttered Kernel (called MinWin), and from there will rebuild windows in the way Vista was meant to be rebuilt. Windows 7 will be lean and it will be fast. It will, for the first time, be a worthy competitor to Mac OS X, and it will get done on time (or heads WILL roll......... Balmer).
Microsoft has the manpower to do it too. They just need the organization that they've never had before. The main reason for delayed OSes is bad management and legacy support. If Microsoft follows this path (and I think they've resolved their managment issues), they will once again become a force to be reckoned with.
This last decade has been an "easy" one for Apple. Windows has been the sleeping giant. But now it's awake and it is MAD. It's no longer going to be a walk in the park for Apple. This excites me, too, because it'll bring greater competition, and henceforth greater innovation between the two companies. It's a great time to be not only a Mac user, but a Windows user as well. Their side of things are about to get considerably better, I feel.
-Clive
Apple doesn't compete with Microsoft, they lead them. And Microsoft's competition isn't really Apple anyway; it's Google. By the time MS comes out with their new multitouch OS, most of the platform war will have been won by Google. Apple will be on to more innovative consumer products, an area where MS can't compete -- unless you cal the Zune a competitor.
By the Way, Monkey Boy Balmer isn't changing any time soon, either. Microsoft in a dinosaur.
You guys can go ahead and laugh all you want about Windows, but let me tell you something: Microsoft may look like a big dumb ogre, but they're not complete idiots. They know that Vista is a bust. They know they are losing users to Apple and they know that if they don't do anything about it, they're going to suffer, big time.
Windows 7 is Microsoft's way of turning over a new leaf. They've already written a new, super small (40MB in-use), non-cluttered Kernel (called MinWin), and from there will rebuild windows in the way Vista was meant to be rebuilt. Windows 7 will be lean and it will be fast. It will, for the first time, be a worthy competitor to Mac OS X, and it will get done on time (or heads WILL roll......... Balmer).
Microsoft has the manpower to do it too. They just need the organization that they've never had before. The main reason for delayed OSes is bad management and legacy support. If Microsoft follows this path (and I think they've resolved their managment issues), they will once again become a force to be reckoned with.
This last decade has been an "easy" one for Apple. Windows has been the sleeping giant. But now it's awake and it is MAD. It's no longer going to be a walk in the park for Apple. This excites me, too, because it'll bring greater competition, and henceforth greater innovation between the two companies. It's a great time to be not only a Mac user, but a Windows user as well. Their side of things are about to get considerably better, I feel.
-Clive
Clive apparently works for Microsoft, Apple and every other company that appears on Apple Insider. How do you do it all, Clive?
Apple doesn't compete with Microsoft, they lead them. And Microsoft's competition isn't really Apple anyway; it's Google. By the time MS comes out with their new multitouch OS, most of the platform war will have been won by Google. Apple will be on to more innovative consumer products, an area where MS can't compete -- unless you cal the Zune a competitor.
By the Way, Monkey Boy Balmer isn't changing any time soon, either. Microsoft in a dinosaur.
Okay, Zealot. You just go on living in your "Apple Invented the World" box. If you care to test your blind faith, read on. Otherwise, don't even bother. Usually it's no use arging with close-minded ones like you.
Apple leads the landscape right now but believe it or not, this was no always the case. If you were a Mac-User in the OS 8 era, you'd know what I was talking about. Everything between OS 7.5 and OS X was pretty much wheels in the mud: a refreshed (reskinned) Finder with a couple new under-the-hood features. Even the first iterations of OS X stank to high hell but at least it was progress.
At this time in history, Microsoft was finishing Windows XP, and it has become their greatest OS to date (I've used both Macs and PCs equally out of the womb, so yes, I am entitled to say that). Upon its completion, however, MS took a niiiiice loooong nap. Sure they SP'd XP, and shrugged their way through the release of Vista but in that time, Apple has gadually updated OS X and made it into the awesome software it is now... and it has become evident to everyone (including Micrsoft) that Apple is the Tortise and Microsoft is the Hare.
As is fabled, the Hare will race to the finish, only to be beaten by a nose, but the moral here in the software world is that these next round of OSes will finish neck-and-neck.
Microsoft WILL meet it's 2010 goal, and they WILL pack it with the features they need and not the features they don't, so help them Gates (or whatever it is they worship around there. ) Until then, there is literally NO REASON to switch to Vista unless you're a gamer and you want DX10.
As for Google, they are the enemy of BOTH Apple and Microsoft. Web 2.0 is a thing to be DREADED by OS-makers. As you said, Google is at the forefront of the Web OS, and if Apple and Microsoft don't play their cards right, they will be outright replaced by it. Microsoft is actually very safe (if not safer than Apple), I think, with the 360. There really isn't anything that can replace a gaming console than another gaming console, at least for another decade or so. The iPod rocks, but underneath it all is just another OS, waiting to be replaced by Web 2.0.
I hope you took the time to read this, Zealot, and I hope it opened your eyes a little to the reality of the ongoing OS war around us.
That's true if you assume all multitouch is for is replacing the other inputs. However, if you see it as enhancing and adding to what and how we input it is a different story. Remember how similar arguments were made against the mouse by keyboard aficionados back in 1984? Yet try to imagine using Photoshop without a mouse! Of course there was no Photoshop until Apple created Mac Paint and Mac Draw to point the way. Uses for multitouch will emerge that we will look back on 2007 and see it as a turning point in what can be done in the same way we look back at 1984. One small example is the iPhone and that is probably going to seem like a Mac Plus in a few years in terms of its simplicity.
One good thing is Apple has stopped helping the likes of Adobe who just took Mac Paint and ran with it (not to take away from Adobe's work on PostScript). These days Apple keep their genius in house and I can't wait to see what Apple develop for multitouch that will be Apple only.
What are you talking about? Photoshop has NOTHING to do with Mac Paint. Nothing whatsoever. Don't just say things like that.
Wow, after watching the video that can't be close to market. The software wasn't very responsive. I didn't see any multi-touching going on, the gestures weren't intuitive and the use of Aero may look better than Exposé's All Windows feature but it's not efficient.
OMG what a chore. One would be exhausted just trying to create a simple PowerPoint. Blech!
Clive your ability to read timelines is exceeded only by your ability to polish a turd. Windows 2000 was DELIVERED the same year OS X public beta was released. OS 9 was shipped about six months before Win2K. XP was three years later. TWO GENERATIONS in what is considered a typical tech cycle.
While you are mildly correct that mid-90s MacOS features weren't breathtaking by todays standards, overall, your ability to sift fact from fantasy is in serious disrepair. Your predictive ability and past judgement is based on a collapsed house of cards.
You guys can go ahead and laugh all you want about Windows, but let me tell you something: Microsoft may look like a big dumb ogre, but they're not complete idiots. They know that Vista is a bust. They know they are losing users to Apple and they know that if they don't do anything about it, they're going to suffer, big time.
Windows 7 is Microsoft's way of turning over a new leaf. They've already written a new, super small (40MB in-use), non-cluttered Kernel (called MinWin), and from there will rebuild windows in the way Vista was meant to be rebuilt.
So Windows 7 will be out sometime soon? Like 2014?
Clive apparently works for Microsoft, Apple and every other company that appears on Apple Insider. How do you do it all, Clive?
Multiple personalities. What? Who said that?
No, I'm a true Apple fan at heart but I know that Microsoft has been long approaching the apex of this pendulum swing for quite some time. Vista hit it and now they're on their way back. I like to give everybody a fair try, and like I said, I'm a equal-opportunity OS-user, so if MS releases an awesome one, I won't hesitate to use it for what I see fit.
As for "other companies" I don't know who you're talking about. Google? I'm actually starting to hate Google. They're getting a little too imeperialistic, IMO, and I am frighted that Web 2.0 will start to establish some sort of web dynasty that will be monopolistic and we will be forced to live in mediocrity until the Apple of the Internet Age appears.
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I love it. I hope NBC eats crow and comes back on their knees and takes a worse deal than they had before with Apple.
The fact that you have a lot of knowledge about something does not mean you have a lot of smarts about that thing.
That's true. But they have some really good graphics engine in the Office OneNote app to handle drawings and hand written text as vectors and Vista has a great hand write recognition even for non-english languages. These technologies are out for years now.
OMG, that was so painful to watch. I only made it about 3 minutes and I couldn't watch anymore. It seemed like he was loosing patience with himself flicking through those items one.....at......a......time and would just select one from the middle, not being able to wait for it to come into view.
And that "gesture". Does it really bring up a picture of a mouse and you click the left or right mouse buttons to simulate a left or right mouse button click???
Yes it was really boring and he didn't show multi-touch. The gestures and that ugly mouse is part of the Dell driver.
Windows 7 is Microsoft's way of turning over a new leaf. They've already written a new, super small (40MB in-use), non-cluttered Kernel (called MinWin), and from there will rebuild windows in the way Vista was meant to be rebuilt. Windows 7 will be lean and it will be fast. It will, for the first time, be a worthy competitor to Mac OS X, and it will get done on time (or heads WILL roll......... Balmer).
Microsoft has the manpower to do it too. They just need the organization that they've never had before. The main reason for delayed OSes is bad management and legacy support. If Microsoft follows this path (and I think they've resolved their managment issues), they will once again become a force to be reckoned with.
This last decade has been an "easy" one for Apple. Windows has been the sleeping giant. But now it's awake and it is MAD. It's no longer going to be a walk in the park for Apple. This excites me, too, because it'll bring greater competition, and henceforth greater innovation between the two companies. It's a great time to be not only a Mac user, but a Windows user as well. Their side of things are about to get considerably better, I feel.
-Clive
Isn't anybody going to talk about NBC?
I love it. I hope NBC eats crow and comes back on their knees and takes a worse deal than they had before with Apple.
Why? Everyone else had the decency to stay on topic. Go find an NBC thread to bitch about NBC. It's not as if those are hard to find.
What a laughable comment. Microsoft is hoping to surpass the iPhone with their next version of Windows. So their goal is now to surpass the 2007 Mac OSX by 2012? Way to raise the bar, kids.
Good for them - Microsoft's 2010 desktop UI will blow away Apple's 2007 mobile UI...
*sarcastic applause*
In 2007, Mac OS X Leopard will blow away Windows Mobile 2003!
The MS developer who is quoted, whose name is HILTON Locke, must be related to Paris Hilton...if he thinks anybody is really going to buy his hype.
Microsoft is always out to duplicate everything everyone else does.... do they ever come up with something on their own....
Are you serious? Didn't they introduces some new products/services like the Mouse Wheel, Media Center, Tablet PC, online gaming on consoles and wireless sharing/syncing for MP3 players...? They do copy and innovate just like every other company.
Wow, after watching the video that can't be close to market. The software wasn't very responsive. I didn't see any multi-touching going on, the gestures weren't intuitive and the use of Aero may look better than Exposé's All Windows feature but it's not efficient.
I just wanted to show the capacity technology of the Dell notebook. The presentation was really bad. BTW a lot of people compare Exposé to that Flip 3D thing. To be realistic: Flip 3D isn't a feature but another way for the old "Flip" feature. The task bar is what the Exposé's "All Windows" feature is and its always there. It was a mistake to advertise Flip 3D as a feature IMO...
The MS developer who is quoted, whose name is HILTON Locke, must be related to Paris Hilton...
**** Official Nominee for Worst First Post of 2007 ????
You guys can go ahead and laugh all you want about Windows, but let me tell you something: Microsoft may look like a big dumb ogre, but they're not complete idiots. They know that Vista is a bust. They know they are losing users to Apple and they know that if they don't do anything about it, they're going to suffer, big time.
Windows 7 is Microsoft's way of turning over a new leaf. They've already written a new, super small (40MB in-use), non-cluttered Kernel (called MinWin), and from there will rebuild windows in the way Vista was meant to be rebuilt. Windows 7 will be lean and it will be fast. It will, for the first time, be a worthy competitor to Mac OS X, and it will get done on time (or heads WILL roll......... Balmer).
Microsoft has the manpower to do it too. They just need the organization that they've never had before. The main reason for delayed OSes is bad management and legacy support. If Microsoft follows this path (and I think they've resolved their managment issues), they will once again become a force to be reckoned with.
This last decade has been an "easy" one for Apple. Windows has been the sleeping giant. But now it's awake and it is MAD. It's no longer going to be a walk in the park for Apple. This excites me, too, because it'll bring greater competition, and henceforth greater innovation between the two companies. It's a great time to be not only a Mac user, but a Windows user as well. Their side of things are about to get considerably better, I feel.
-Clive
Apple doesn't compete with Microsoft, they lead them. And Microsoft's competition isn't really Apple anyway; it's Google. By the time MS comes out with their new multitouch OS, most of the platform war will have been won by Google. Apple will be on to more innovative consumer products, an area where MS can't compete -- unless you cal the Zune a competitor.
By the Way, Monkey Boy Balmer isn't changing any time soon, either. Microsoft in a dinosaur.
You guys can go ahead and laugh all you want about Windows, but let me tell you something: Microsoft may look like a big dumb ogre, but they're not complete idiots. They know that Vista is a bust. They know they are losing users to Apple and they know that if they don't do anything about it, they're going to suffer, big time.
Windows 7 is Microsoft's way of turning over a new leaf. They've already written a new, super small (40MB in-use), non-cluttered Kernel (called MinWin), and from there will rebuild windows in the way Vista was meant to be rebuilt. Windows 7 will be lean and it will be fast. It will, for the first time, be a worthy competitor to Mac OS X, and it will get done on time (or heads WILL roll......... Balmer).
Microsoft has the manpower to do it too. They just need the organization that they've never had before. The main reason for delayed OSes is bad management and legacy support. If Microsoft follows this path (and I think they've resolved their managment issues), they will once again become a force to be reckoned with.
This last decade has been an "easy" one for Apple. Windows has been the sleeping giant. But now it's awake and it is MAD. It's no longer going to be a walk in the park for Apple. This excites me, too, because it'll bring greater competition, and henceforth greater innovation between the two companies. It's a great time to be not only a Mac user, but a Windows user as well. Their side of things are about to get considerably better, I feel.
-Clive
Clive apparently works for Microsoft, Apple and every other company that appears on Apple Insider. How do you do it all, Clive?
Apple doesn't compete with Microsoft, they lead them. And Microsoft's competition isn't really Apple anyway; it's Google. By the time MS comes out with their new multitouch OS, most of the platform war will have been won by Google. Apple will be on to more innovative consumer products, an area where MS can't compete -- unless you cal the Zune a competitor.
By the Way, Monkey Boy Balmer isn't changing any time soon, either. Microsoft in a dinosaur.
Okay, Zealot. You just go on living in your "Apple Invented the World" box. If you care to test your blind faith, read on. Otherwise, don't even bother. Usually it's no use arging with close-minded ones like you.
Apple leads the landscape right now but believe it or not, this was no always the case. If you were a Mac-User in the OS 8 era, you'd know what I was talking about. Everything between OS 7.5 and OS X was pretty much wheels in the mud: a refreshed (reskinned) Finder with a couple new under-the-hood features. Even the first iterations of OS X stank to high hell but at least it was progress.
At this time in history, Microsoft was finishing Windows XP, and it has become their greatest OS to date (I've used both Macs and PCs equally out of the womb, so yes, I am entitled to say that). Upon its completion, however, MS took a niiiiice loooong nap. Sure they SP'd XP, and shrugged their way through the release of Vista but in that time, Apple has gadually updated OS X and made it into the awesome software it is now... and it has become evident to everyone (including Micrsoft) that Apple is the Tortise and Microsoft is the Hare.
As is fabled, the Hare will race to the finish, only to be beaten by a nose, but the moral here in the software world is that these next round of OSes will finish neck-and-neck.
Microsoft WILL meet it's 2010 goal, and they WILL pack it with the features they need and not the features they don't, so help them Gates (or whatever it is they worship around there.
As for Google, they are the enemy of BOTH Apple and Microsoft. Web 2.0 is a thing to be DREADED by OS-makers. As you said, Google is at the forefront of the Web OS, and if Apple and Microsoft don't play their cards right, they will be outright replaced by it. Microsoft is actually very safe (if not safer than Apple), I think, with the 360. There really isn't anything that can replace a gaming console than another gaming console, at least for another decade or so. The iPod rocks, but underneath it all is just another OS, waiting to be replaced by Web 2.0.
I hope you took the time to read this, Zealot, and I hope it opened your eyes a little to the reality of the ongoing OS war around us.
-Clive
That's true if you assume all multitouch is for is replacing the other inputs. However, if you see it as enhancing and adding to what and how we input it is a different story. Remember how similar arguments were made against the mouse by keyboard aficionados back in 1984? Yet try to imagine using Photoshop without a mouse! Of course there was no Photoshop until Apple created Mac Paint and Mac Draw to point the way. Uses for multitouch will emerge that we will look back on 2007 and see it as a turning point in what can be done in the same way we look back at 1984. One small example is the iPhone and that is probably going to seem like a Mac Plus in a few years in terms of its simplicity.
One good thing is Apple has stopped helping the likes of Adobe who just took Mac Paint and ran with it (not to take away from Adobe's work on PostScript). These days Apple keep their genius in house and I can't wait to see what Apple develop for multitouch that will be Apple only.
What are you talking about? Photoshop has NOTHING to do with Mac Paint. Nothing whatsoever. Don't just say things like that.
Look up the history of Photoshop.
Wow, after watching the video that can't be close to market. The software wasn't very responsive. I didn't see any multi-touching going on, the gestures weren't intuitive and the use of Aero may look better than Exposé's All Windows feature but it's not efficient.
OMG what a chore. One would be exhausted just trying to create a simple PowerPoint. Blech!
While you are mildly correct that mid-90s MacOS features weren't breathtaking by todays standards, overall, your ability to sift fact from fantasy is in serious disrepair. Your predictive ability and past judgement is based on a collapsed house of cards.
You guys can go ahead and laugh all you want about Windows, but let me tell you something: Microsoft may look like a big dumb ogre, but they're not complete idiots. They know that Vista is a bust. They know they are losing users to Apple and they know that if they don't do anything about it, they're going to suffer, big time.
Windows 7 is Microsoft's way of turning over a new leaf. They've already written a new, super small (40MB in-use), non-cluttered Kernel (called MinWin), and from there will rebuild windows in the way Vista was meant to be rebuilt.
So Windows 7 will be out sometime soon? Like 2014?
Clive apparently works for Microsoft, Apple and every other company that appears on Apple Insider. How do you do it all, Clive?
Multiple personalities. What? Who said that?
No, I'm a true Apple fan at heart but I know that Microsoft has been long approaching the apex of this pendulum swing for quite some time. Vista hit it and now they're on their way back. I like to give everybody a fair try, and like I said, I'm a equal-opportunity OS-user, so if MS releases an awesome one, I won't hesitate to use it for what I see fit.
As for "other companies" I don't know who you're talking about. Google? I'm actually starting to hate Google. They're getting a little too imeperialistic, IMO, and I am frighted that Web 2.0 will start to establish some sort of web dynasty that will be monopolistic and we will be forced to live in mediocrity until the Apple of the Internet Age appears.
-Clive