This isn't an unqualified vote for Bose, but in general terms - If there aren't folks that hate your product with a passion, there probably are very few who love it with a passion. Blanket acceptance probably means a companies products are OK but in a mediocrely non-threatening way.
Bose fits the love it or hate it spectrum much as Apple does. It doesn't mean any particular product of either company is an automatic home run, but it does mean there is enough quality and willingness to actually design useful, friendly products that chances are they don't suck.
This isn't an unqualified vote for Bose, but in general terms - If there aren't folks that hate your product with a passion, there probably are very few who love it with a passion. Blanket acceptance probably means a companies products are OK but in a mediocrely non-threatening way.
Bose fits the love it or hate it spectrum much as Apple does. It doesn't mean any particular product of either company is an automatic home run, but it does mean there is enough quality and willingness to actually design useful, friendly products that chances are they don't suck.
Mmmm...I suppose there is something to that argument but there isn't really much to speakers that make one more or less user unfriendly.
I guess the question is what do you get for the extra $$$ you pay for a Bose? The Acoustimass 10 system is not exactly cheap at a grand. Why would you want what Bose sells over an Anthony Gallo Nucleus Micro system that's also a grand? Plastic vs Aluminum. Cheap drivers vs better drivers. Boring cube vs very cool Sphere.
Or Tannoys at half the price although the sats are bigger than the Bose sats.
Sat/Sub combos of any make have high WAF and low usability issues given the size/unobtrusiveness trumps other concerns. Mostly they go where she lets you put them and sonic characteristics take a distant back seat. If not you'd have floorstanders.
Bose doesn't "suck" except perhaps in the price/performance category. They can be easy to listen to but I wouldn't buy em. Too many other better choices. "Not sucking" is a minimum criteria.
This isn't an unqualified vote for Bose, but in general terms - If there aren't folks that hate your product with a passion, there probably are very few who love it with a passion. Blanket acceptance probably means a companies products are OK but in a mediocrely non-threatening way.
Bose fits the love it or hate it spectrum much as Apple does. It doesn't mean any particular product of either company is an automatic home run, but it does mean there is enough quality and willingness to actually design useful, friendly products that chances are they don't suck.
Bose products sound good enough for most, just like iPod/stock ear plugs sound good enough for most.
My personal experience is that Bose products in general sound dull because it fails at true high and low frequency sound reproduction. Considering Bose as satellite audio system, it sounds okay at most, but it just cost way too much for the value. For those looking for Bose esthetics, I'm sure it's worth the price, but if anyone's looking for performance per price then there are many models and brands that cost half as much as Bose sounding noticeably better.
I helped one of my co-worker replacing his $1500 Bose Surround system with 5 B&W LM1's with a 12" infinity sub for about $900 total cost. This was about two years ago, but you get the idea. Anyway, the 5 LM1's + a sub sounded so much better that even my co-worker said that the $1500 Bose system sounded like a boom-box compared to his new system.
Well... it's your money, so just buy what you like and be happy!
Uh, perhaps you missed the part about my brother being a patent examiner. You are simply wrong. I have talked with him at length. Minor and obvious variations are NOT patentable. Period.
You mean: "Minor and obvious variations should NOT be patentable". I know what the guidelines are, I know what sort of standards applications are meant to reach. However, what the guidelines say and what patents end up getting granted do not match up over the last several years. E.g. Amazon's "one click" should not have been granted a patent. Period.
Anyway, that source is one of many. Every time you search you'll come up with lots of BOSE SUCKS opinions (usually capitalized just like that). Yet my own experience is different. True, their better system are $3000. But what is that? If I by nice receiver and a good set of surrounds with sub, that's what I'll pay.
I have a $950 sound system that I think is great. I thought it would take about $3000 until I discovered the Yamaha Sound Projector. It is 32 inches wide box, but just over 6 inches high and 4 1/2 inches deep, and it sits on a shelf above the HDTV. The price I paid includes an Energy subwoofer. That's all there is, just two boxes -- no receiver needed. The sound is great -- to my ear.
Someone told me that Bose now has a system like this. Maybe it is what you are looking at. Check out the Yamaha. It handles the DVD player, TV tuner, Satellite TV receiver, and room for still more inputs.
You buy an Apple product because you like it even if it is/was overpriced. Why should a Bose be any different?
The form factor of the Bose speakers are unique. The current Lifestyle 48 systems with the ability to drive two different audio streams in different rooms of your house and the ability to store a boat load of audio CDs internally with a built-in Grace CCDB database (really lame without regular updates - no internet capability) are nice touches. Sure there are better systems out there, but I haven't seen anything that compares to the size/form-factor/style, whatever you want to call it. The audio sounds good too. If you can afford it and you like it, go for it.
I have one of the original Wave Radios, through which I run my cable TV and iPod sound. Works fine. Sounds great.
Could I run it all through my Alesis reference amp + some reference speakers? Sure. But the thing sounds fine. A little muddy on the low-mids/bass, but it sounds fine otherwise.
My mother has one of the surround sound AV systems. I've never really tinkered with it much other than to set it up, but I would imagine that you could put together something that sounds comparable, if not better, for less money. But if you want a system in a box, it's fine.
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Bose fits the love it or hate it spectrum much as Apple does. It doesn't mean any particular product of either company is an automatic home run, but it does mean there is enough quality and willingness to actually design useful, friendly products that chances are they don't suck.
This isn't an unqualified vote for Bose, but in general terms - If there aren't folks that hate your product with a passion, there probably are very few who love it with a passion. Blanket acceptance probably means a companies products are OK but in a mediocrely non-threatening way.
Bose fits the love it or hate it spectrum much as Apple does. It doesn't mean any particular product of either company is an automatic home run, but it does mean there is enough quality and willingness to actually design useful, friendly products that chances are they don't suck.
Mmmm...I suppose there is something to that argument but there isn't really much to speakers that make one more or less user unfriendly.
I guess the question is what do you get for the extra $$$ you pay for a Bose? The Acoustimass 10 system is not exactly cheap at a grand. Why would you want what Bose sells over an Anthony Gallo Nucleus Micro system that's also a grand? Plastic vs Aluminum. Cheap drivers vs better drivers. Boring cube vs very cool Sphere.
Or Tannoys at half the price although the sats are bigger than the Bose sats.
Sat/Sub combos of any make have high WAF and low usability issues given the size/unobtrusiveness trumps other concerns. Mostly they go where she lets you put them and sonic characteristics take a distant back seat. If not you'd have floorstanders.
Bose doesn't "suck" except perhaps in the price/performance category. They can be easy to listen to but I wouldn't buy em. Too many other better choices. "Not sucking" is a minimum criteria.
http://www.avrev.com/equip/gallomicro/index.html
This isn't an unqualified vote for Bose, but in general terms - If there aren't folks that hate your product with a passion, there probably are very few who love it with a passion. Blanket acceptance probably means a companies products are OK but in a mediocrely non-threatening way.
Bose fits the love it or hate it spectrum much as Apple does. It doesn't mean any particular product of either company is an automatic home run, but it does mean there is enough quality and willingness to actually design useful, friendly products that chances are they don't suck.
Bose products sound good enough for most, just like iPod/stock ear plugs sound good enough for most.
My personal experience is that Bose products in general sound dull because it fails at true high and low frequency sound reproduction. Considering Bose as satellite audio system, it sounds okay at most, but it just cost way too much for the value. For those looking for Bose esthetics, I'm sure it's worth the price, but if anyone's looking for performance per price then there are many models and brands that cost half as much as Bose sounding noticeably better.
I helped one of my co-worker replacing his $1500 Bose Surround system with 5 B&W LM1's with a 12" infinity sub for about $900 total cost. This was about two years ago, but you get the idea. Anyway, the 5 LM1's + a sub sounded so much better that even my co-worker said that the $1500 Bose system sounded like a boom-box compared to his new system.
Well... it's your money, so just buy what you like and be happy!
it even comes with mounting arm...
http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/displa...rid=2028&sc=hf
Uh, perhaps you missed the part about my brother being a patent examiner. You are simply wrong. I have talked with him at length. Minor and obvious variations are NOT patentable. Period.
You mean: "Minor and obvious variations should NOT be patentable". I know what the guidelines are, I know what sort of standards applications are meant to reach. However, what the guidelines say and what patents end up getting granted do not match up over the last several years. E.g. Amazon's "one click" should not have been granted a patent. Period.
Anyway, that source is one of many. Every time you search you'll come up with lots of BOSE SUCKS opinions (usually capitalized just like that). Yet my own experience is different. True, their better system are $3000. But what is that? If I by nice receiver and a good set of surrounds with sub, that's what I'll pay.
I have a $950 sound system that I think is great. I thought it would take about $3000 until I discovered the Yamaha Sound Projector. It is 32 inches wide box, but just over 6 inches high and 4 1/2 inches deep, and it sits on a shelf above the HDTV. The price I paid includes an Energy subwoofer. That's all there is, just two boxes -- no receiver needed. The sound is great -- to my ear.
Someone told me that Bose now has a system like this. Maybe it is what you are looking at. Check out the Yamaha. It handles the DVD player, TV tuner, Satellite TV receiver, and room for still more inputs.
The form factor of the Bose speakers are unique. The current Lifestyle 48 systems with the ability to drive two different audio streams in different rooms of your house and the ability to store a boat load of audio CDs internally with a built-in Grace CCDB database (really lame without regular updates - no internet capability) are nice touches. Sure there are better systems out there, but I haven't seen anything that compares to the size/form-factor/style, whatever you want to call it. The audio sounds good too. If you can afford it and you like it, go for it.
I have one of the original Wave Radios, through which I run my cable TV and iPod sound. Works fine. Sounds great.
Could I run it all through my Alesis reference amp + some reference speakers? Sure. But the thing sounds fine. A little muddy on the low-mids/bass, but it sounds fine otherwise.
My mother has one of the surround sound AV systems. I've never really tinkered with it much other than to set it up, but I would imagine that you could put together something that sounds comparable, if not better, for less money. But if you want a system in a box, it's fine.