So you like the idea? Sounds like you may like the actual product then. You say it wont happen, but if it did I'd bet you think about buying one. Therefore if Apple is thinking like that, they will want to get on producing these things.
"Take some work with you."
I want to.
If this could be done, and I"m not sure it could be, from the parameters you have given, I might buy one. But then, I'm not price sensitive, and sometimes buy things just because they look interesting. I'm not so sanguine about Apples' thinking the public at large would feel the same way.
I simply don't agree about the price, and that's one of the biggest sticking problems. With your specs, I feel confident it would have to cost $2,000, possibly more.
This is close to a full sized tablet, and I just don't see a market for such a thing. I can't imagine what it would be used for in a general sense. It's simply too big to carry around, and too small for any serious work that Mac people do, such as graphics. The CPU/GPU won't be powerful enough for that. For fun, where would you take it?
This is a full tablet, and a full Mac. Just not one for serious work, that's why it's an ultra-portable. It's a take-everywhere, note-taking, eBook-reading, moving-watching, web-browsing, email-reading & writing, take-some-work-with-you extension of your desktop computer. All with a totally new multi-touch user-interface. I want, I want, we all want!
If this could be done, and I"m not sure it could be, from the parameters you have given, I might buy one. But then, I'm not price sensitive, and sometimes buy things just because they look interesting. I'm not so sanguine about Apples' thinking the public at large would feel the same way.
I simply don't agree about the price, and that's one of the biggest sticking problems. With your specs, I feel confident it would have to cost $2,000, possibly more.
Well I'd say the 64GB version would cost about that $1,199. The 128GB version could be double that price. Though pricing would rapidly coming down over the following three years.
I think the biggest you could get with such a device would be 5.5"x8.5". This would put it right in the sweet spot of the majority of paper-based planners.
I'd want it to be 10" or 11", that's the perfect size IMO.
Personally, I'd love a tablet. If Apple doesn't make one, I wouldn't mind getting a ModBook some day, assuming they're being made. I really don't care for solid state storage right now, too expensive and it doesn't live up to much of the hype.
First: Prince McLean is Daniel Eran Dilger of RoughlyDrafted. So why the occasional use of his real name on reviews here when he's already using a pen name?
Sorry Ireland, I don't think it will happen and I don't like it. What would it accomplish that a ridiculously thin laptop wouldn't? And with a laptop you would have a keyboard (instead of hauling around a wireless keyboard like in your set-up), and a base for the screen so watching movies, surfing the net, pretty much anything, would be much MUCH easier.
You get your porn name by taking your first pet's name and your mothers maiden name, mine's Rocky Foley
Your pet's name is a very common password people have, and pet name and mother's maiden name are the answers to the most popular secret questions for resetting passwords.
Don't tell me you actually posted your real personal data.
Your pet's name is a very common password people have, and pet name and mother's maiden name are the answers to the most popular secret questions for resetting passwords.
Don't tell me you actually posted your real personal data.
I did, I never use that option dude. I always choose my father's middle name or something random, and I would never use my dog's name as my password - way too obvious. Now who's the smart one?
Come on guys. It's just not going to happen. There is no point in a 11 odd inch tablet device as has been proved in the past by Windows Tablets and even Tablet XP / Vista doesn't sell that well.
Next I don't really see the need for a smaller Apple laptop. If you want an always take it with you device then the iPhone is it. Any bigger and it's not an always with you device anymore. For those other occasions when an iPhone isn't enough then a 13 inch laptop isn't a big deal.
Also ultraportables sell to business people mostly. What is the Market that Apple doesn't do well in? Business sales. They clearly target home users who aren't going to shell out the dosh for this when they can get a more powerful machine for less and all they have to put up with is a bit more weight and a little bit more size.
I'm saying the ultraportable won't happen but it'll hardly be mass market for Apple. I thought Apple was in it for the mass market these days.
7 to 8 inch screen. Touch keyboard. Any larger would be too large, as some have said.
I'm guessing the new iPad will be in the 7-8 inch area.
It has to be enough larger than the Touch to be a viable product and enough smaller than the MacBook as well.
I don't ever see Apple bring out a UMPC as we know it. I see them bringing out what the Newton would be if it had continued being produced and improved upon, not something as large as an 11" screen, obviously using MultiTouch in a way that is more of a scale-up of the iPhone than a scale down of the MacOS with Finder, etc.
Sorry, Ireland. I love your concept but just think your screen size is too large.
Pretty well everything else you have in your description I agree with, except the size. I believe you could put your specs into an 8" design and have a very viable product, but no larger.
Smokey Imperial here. My dog and my parent's house have blessed me with the best porn name ever.
Anywho, once you're bigger than pocket size (ala the iPhone), what really constitutes a "take it with you anywhere" size? 5"? 6"? 7"? 8"? Does it matter?
If I can't slip it into a shirt or pants pocket then I have to carry it in a bag or in my hand. If I have to carry it in a bag, what is the advantage of 5" over 8"? I'm just making it small to be small but not getting the pocketable advantage, which to my mind is the entire advantage of small.
After that, it's just a few inches in the bag or the hand, so why not get the extra real estate and all the enhanced functionality that entails?
Seems like the "natural" dividing line of the next size up from iPhone size (and before sub-notebook size) is "easy to hold in the one hand".
For my hand, I make that about the 5x8, 6x9 area some people have already mentioned. After that, I really can't see the advantage over a sub-notebook, multi-touch notwithstanding.
Smokey Imperial here. My dog and my parent's house have blessed me with the best porn name ever.
Anywho, once you're bigger than pocket size (ala the iPhone), what really constitutes a "take it with you anywhere" size? 5"? 6"? 7"? 8"? Does it matter?
Case in point: For me it's 17".
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Originally Posted by addabox
Seems like the "natural" dividing line of the next size up from iPhone size (and before sub-notebook size) is "easy to hold in the one hand".
Yes. Also, easy to pocket. The Newton 2100 was just a little too tall and too thick to pull that off. If it fits in most hands when used, and in most pockets when not used, that's the sweet spot.
I can see uses for large multitouch surfaces. One word: Wacom.
Come on guys. It's just not going to happen. There is no point in a 11 odd inch tablet device as has been proved in the past by Windows Tablets and even Tablet XP / Vista doesn't sell that well.
MP3 players didn't sell that well for several years until Apple started making them.
Anywho, once you're bigger than pocket size (ala the iPhone), what really constitutes a "take it with you anywhere" size? 5"? 6"? 7"? 8"? Does it matter?
If I can't slip it into a shirt or pants pocket then I have to carry it in a bag or in my hand. If I have to carry it in a bag, what is the advantage of 5" over 8"? I'm just making it small to be small but not getting the pocketable advantage, which to my mind is the entire advantage of small.
Good point. Your reasoning lends some support to Ireland's screen size. I also think they could make an UMPC about 1/3 larger than the iPhone, it would still be pocket-sized, and it could have a big enough screen to be usable for some "real" software. I'd be all over that.
7 to 8 inch screen. Touch keyboard. Any larger would be too large, as some have said.
I'm guessing the new iPad will be in the 7-8 inch area.
It has to be enough larger than the Touch to be a viable product and enough smaller than the MacBook as well.
I don't ever see Apple bring out a UMPC as we know it. I see them bringing out what the Newton would be if it had continued being produced and improved upon, not something as large as an 11" screen, obviously using MultiTouch in a way that is more of a scale-up of the iPhone than a scale down of the MacOS with Finder, etc.
Sorry, Ireland. I love your concept but just think your screen size is too large.
Pretty well everything else you have in your description I agree with, except the size. I believe you could put your specs into an 8" design and have a very viable product, but no larger.
IMHO.
Point taken, I just think as it'll be a Mac I know how a bigger screen does miracles for productivity. Screen size matters. Why do you think Apple's current portables are 13, 15 & 17", exactly that reason. Apple could bring out an ultra-portable (multi-touch tablet), give it an 11" screen and make it really useful. I personally wouldn't buy it if it has an 8" screen as I'd rather use my iPhone then, as that's pocketable. 8" isn't pocketable (as many folks including addabox have pointed out), so the device may as well be 11", and be way more useful. I'd settle for 10", but any smaller and the Mac touch as I see it won't be for me.
In a perfect (productivity) world I'd like to have my 24" iMac (which I have), my 3.5 iPhone (which I have), and a 10 or 11" Mac touch to do "some" work on the move.
Oh, and another thing I almost forgot. Making it 11" gives Apple the opportunity to give us a much more palpable (as it were) keyboard. I'd much rather type on a touch-keyboard that came with the 11" device than the one on 7 or 8" device. The iPhone is a different kettle of fish, as that needs to be pocketable, and the touch screen keyboard concept was chosen there for a specific reason, and I think was a great choice. And at the end of the day it's a phone. The Mac touch will be a Mac, so we need as close to a full keyboard as possible.
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So you like the idea? Sounds like you may like the actual product then. You say it wont happen, but if it did I'd bet you think about buying one. Therefore if Apple is thinking like that, they will want to get on producing these things.
"Take some work with you."
I want to.
If this could be done, and I"m not sure it could be, from the parameters you have given, I might buy one. But then, I'm not price sensitive, and sometimes buy things just because they look interesting. I'm not so sanguine about Apples' thinking the public at large would feel the same way.
I simply don't agree about the price, and that's one of the biggest sticking problems. With your specs, I feel confident it would have to cost $2,000, possibly more.
This is close to a full sized tablet, and I just don't see a market for such a thing. I can't imagine what it would be used for in a general sense. It's simply too big to carry around, and too small for any serious work that Mac people do, such as graphics. The CPU/GPU won't be powerful enough for that. For fun, where would you take it?
This is a full tablet, and a full Mac. Just not one for serious work, that's why it's an ultra-portable. It's a take-everywhere, note-taking, eBook-reading, moving-watching, web-browsing, email-reading & writing, take-some-work-with-you extension of your desktop computer. All with a totally new multi-touch user-interface. I want, I want, we all want!
If this could be done, and I"m not sure it could be, from the parameters you have given, I might buy one. But then, I'm not price sensitive, and sometimes buy things just because they look interesting. I'm not so sanguine about Apples' thinking the public at large would feel the same way.
I simply don't agree about the price, and that's one of the biggest sticking problems. With your specs, I feel confident it would have to cost $2,000, possibly more.
Well I'd say the 64GB version would cost about that $1,199. The 128GB version could be double that price. Though pricing would rapidly coming down over the following three years.
I don't think this will come to pass, either. I think the device will need to be more laptop-like than iPhone to succeed.
I leave it up to Apple to change your mind on that one. Once you saw this device you'd faint, and then wake up and buy one
I think the biggest you could get with such a device would be 5.5"x8.5". This would put it right in the sweet spot of the majority of paper-based planners.
I'd want it to be 10" or 11", that's the perfect size IMO.
First: Prince McLean is Daniel Eran Dilger of RoughlyDrafted. So why the occasional use of his real name on reviews here when he's already using a pen name?
It sounds more like a porn name to me.
It sounds more like a porn name to me.
You get your porn name by taking your first pet's name and your mothers maiden name, mine's Rocky Foley
You get your porn name by taking your first pet's name and your mothers maiden name, mine's Rocky Foley
Your pet's name is a very common password people have, and pet name and mother's maiden name are the answers to the most popular secret questions for resetting passwords.
Don't tell me you actually posted your real personal data.
i'm still betting apple will bring out a 7 - 8 incher
And some smartass will include a tagline: Satisfying more women than the competition.
Your pet's name is a very common password people have, and pet name and mother's maiden name are the answers to the most popular secret questions for resetting passwords.
Don't tell me you actually posted your real personal data.
I did, I never use that option dude. I always choose my father's middle name or something random, and I would never use my dog's name as my password - way too obvious. Now who's the smart one?
You get your porn name by taking your first pet's name and your mothers maiden name, mine's Rocky Foley
Actually, I thought it was "first pet's name" & "street name you grew up on."
So, just call me "Cindy Spruce"
Next I don't really see the need for a smaller Apple laptop. If you want an always take it with you device then the iPhone is it. Any bigger and it's not an always with you device anymore. For those other occasions when an iPhone isn't enough then a 13 inch laptop isn't a big deal.
Also ultraportables sell to business people mostly. What is the Market that Apple doesn't do well in? Business sales. They clearly target home users who aren't going to shell out the dosh for this when they can get a more powerful machine for less and all they have to put up with is a bit more weight and a little bit more size.
I'm saying the ultraportable won't happen but it'll hardly be mass market for Apple. I thought Apple was in it for the mass market these days.
I'm guessing the new iPad will be in the 7-8 inch area.
It has to be enough larger than the Touch to be a viable product and enough smaller than the MacBook as well.
I don't ever see Apple bring out a UMPC as we know it. I see them bringing out what the Newton would be if it had continued being produced and improved upon, not something as large as an 11" screen, obviously using MultiTouch in a way that is more of a scale-up of the iPhone than a scale down of the MacOS with Finder, etc.
Sorry, Ireland. I love your concept but just think your screen size is too large.
Pretty well everything else you have in your description I agree with, except the size. I believe you could put your specs into an 8" design and have a very viable product, but no larger.
IMHO.
Anywho, once you're bigger than pocket size (ala the iPhone), what really constitutes a "take it with you anywhere" size? 5"? 6"? 7"? 8"? Does it matter?
If I can't slip it into a shirt or pants pocket then I have to carry it in a bag or in my hand. If I have to carry it in a bag, what is the advantage of 5" over 8"? I'm just making it small to be small but not getting the pocketable advantage, which to my mind is the entire advantage of small.
After that, it's just a few inches in the bag or the hand, so why not get the extra real estate and all the enhanced functionality that entails?
Seems like the "natural" dividing line of the next size up from iPhone size (and before sub-notebook size) is "easy to hold in the one hand".
For my hand, I make that about the 5x8, 6x9 area some people have already mentioned. After that, I really can't see the advantage over a sub-notebook, multi-touch notwithstanding.
Smokey Imperial here. My dog and my parent's house have blessed me with the best porn name ever.
Anywho, once you're bigger than pocket size (ala the iPhone), what really constitutes a "take it with you anywhere" size? 5"? 6"? 7"? 8"? Does it matter?
Case in point: For me it's 17".
Seems like the "natural" dividing line of the next size up from iPhone size (and before sub-notebook size) is "easy to hold in the one hand".
Yes. Also, easy to pocket. The Newton 2100 was just a little too tall and too thick to pull that off. If it fits in most hands when used, and in most pockets when not used, that's the sweet spot.
I can see uses for large multitouch surfaces. One word: Wacom.
Come on guys. It's just not going to happen. There is no point in a 11 odd inch tablet device as has been proved in the past by Windows Tablets and even Tablet XP / Vista doesn't sell that well.
MP3 players didn't sell that well for several years until Apple started making them.
Anywho, once you're bigger than pocket size (ala the iPhone), what really constitutes a "take it with you anywhere" size? 5"? 6"? 7"? 8"? Does it matter?
If I can't slip it into a shirt or pants pocket then I have to carry it in a bag or in my hand. If I have to carry it in a bag, what is the advantage of 5" over 8"? I'm just making it small to be small but not getting the pocketable advantage, which to my mind is the entire advantage of small.
Good point. Your reasoning lends some support to Ireland's screen size. I also think they could make an UMPC about 1/3 larger than the iPhone, it would still be pocket-sized, and it could have a big enough screen to be usable for some "real" software. I'd be all over that.
7 to 8 inch screen. Touch keyboard. Any larger would be too large, as some have said.
I'm guessing the new iPad will be in the 7-8 inch area.
It has to be enough larger than the Touch to be a viable product and enough smaller than the MacBook as well.
I don't ever see Apple bring out a UMPC as we know it. I see them bringing out what the Newton would be if it had continued being produced and improved upon, not something as large as an 11" screen, obviously using MultiTouch in a way that is more of a scale-up of the iPhone than a scale down of the MacOS with Finder, etc.
Sorry, Ireland. I love your concept but just think your screen size is too large.
Pretty well everything else you have in your description I agree with, except the size. I believe you could put your specs into an 8" design and have a very viable product, but no larger.
IMHO.
Point taken, I just think as it'll be a Mac I know how a bigger screen does miracles for productivity. Screen size matters. Why do you think Apple's current portables are 13, 15 & 17", exactly that reason. Apple could bring out an ultra-portable (multi-touch tablet), give it an 11" screen and make it really useful. I personally wouldn't buy it if it has an 8" screen as I'd rather use my iPhone then, as that's pocketable. 8" isn't pocketable (as many folks including addabox have pointed out), so the device may as well be 11", and be way more useful. I'd settle for 10", but any smaller and the Mac touch as I see it won't be for me.
In a perfect (productivity) world I'd like to have my 24" iMac (which I have), my 3.5 iPhone (which I have), and a 10 or 11" Mac touch to do "some" work on the move.
Oh, and another thing I almost forgot. Making it 11" gives Apple the opportunity to give us a much more palpable (as it were) keyboard. I'd much rather type on a touch-keyboard that came with the 11" device than the one on 7 or 8" device. The iPhone is a different kettle of fish, as that needs to be pocketable, and the touch screen keyboard concept was chosen there for a specific reason, and I think was a great choice. And at the end of the day it's a phone. The Mac touch will be a Mac, so we need as close to a full keyboard as possible.