Thus, you are in effect paying to work on a beta for Apple, so you are essentially paying to work for Apple.
One of the nifty perks of being a full member (probably the top level) is you can reserve access to run/test your apps on ALL of Apple's currently shipping machines, plus a selection of older ones as well running current and older OSes. A dedicated beta test farm for developers to try their apps on.
All I know is that I intend to be the first in line at the newly established 1 Infinite Loop drive-thru window when 10.5.2 is released, and handed out; they are serving coffee too.
Thanks for clearing that up (and for not flaming me, I'm surprised so many people jumped on my case for a simple question. Sheesh).
I spotted that too. Hopefully my response didn't come across that way. I just assumed that anyone not a part of ADC probably isn't aware of the benefits. Many of the responses seemed to be more like, "you friggin' idiot, how dare you not know everything about the universe."
While I suffer through the bugs of Leopard like everyone else, I for one say let Apple take their time so 10.5.2 is the Leopard we should have received in the first place.
I don't care if the download is 600mb. I don't care if it takes a few more weeks. I just need a reliable environment.
Apple needs to remember that "it just works" is still a huge differentiator. Better design with horific quality will put Apple and its products back in the niche category.
I spotted that too. Hopefully my response didn't come across that way. I just assumed that anyone not a part of ADC probably isn't aware of the benefits. Many of the responses seemed to be more like, "you friggin' idiot, how dare you not know everything about the universe."
I actually thought the responses were tempered and informative. Which makes sense, because it wasn't a dumb question to begin with--if you are not in the developer community, the only part of the interaction between them and Apple that we hear about is the seeding of OS betas and the like.
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Academics can join ADC for only $99/year and receive hardware discounts, but they do not receive beta seeds.
Speaking of informative...with the retail Academic Discount diminishing (or disapearing) maybe I need to look into joining up... I wonder what the qualifications are...
I hear the discounts are good!
I even know the secret chant ("Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers!")
I've been waiting for a couple of updates before upgrading to Leopard. Once 10.5.2 is in the wild I will be ordering a family pack to load onto our 5 Macs.
Man, I sure hope it fix's the Mac Pro problems. My dual 2ghz G5 has the freeze on boot / after sleep, problem... which tens of thousands of G5 owners started having at the same time. I was going to replace it with the new Mac Pro, but seems those are even worse with random crash's, graphics distortion, kernel panics, re-booting when waking from sleep and so forth.
To top it all off, Leopard disabled Matshita superdrives, which has left my powerbookc useless to me... and the uproar from my clients who trusted my advise and bought Mac's.
... of course in typical Apple fashion, not a peep or acknowledgment of any issue's.
Yes, 10.5.2 had better be the second coming of Apple. To hell with ipods and phones, movie downloads and other shit... if they let their core business completely fall apart. Time to put the good engineers back on the important stuff, and the interns on the fluff.
My frustration with Apple is reaching it's boiling point.
To top it all off, Leopard disabled Matshita superdrives, which has left my powerbookc useless to me... and the uproar from my clients who trusted my advise and bought Mac's.
I've provided Mac tech support to numerous clients, associates and friends. I've consistently told everyone to hold off on buying a newly released OS until at least 2-3 updates. I've stuck with this no matter how good the reviews are. Not only does Apple have to work out bugs but so do 3-party developers.
Sounds like you need to readjust your advise if you want to keep clients. Very few people truly benefit from having to always be on the bleeding edge of technology.
well, for those in the creative community that use after effects or adobe premiere like myself, i hope apple addresses the catastrophic effects of quicktime 7.4 which rendered AE and premiere useless if you want to actually render out your work. you had to downgrade to 7.3.1 which means you pretty much had to do a clean install because you can't just downgrade quicktime (even with pacifist you're playing with fire). i'd like to see that addressed in the update but i have a feeling it won't be. cinema 4D also has major issues with leopard. these users are major sectors of the mac community...and we aren't happy. i'm frankly already dissapointed in the amount of time that has lapsed between the discovery of the quicktime problem (the day it was made available) and now. there should have been a fix out already.
All I know is that I intend to be the first in line at the newly established 1 Infinite Loop drive-thru window when 10.5.2 is released, and handed out; they are serving coffee too.
If that's true that has gotta be the grooviest thing I've heard in a long time. Shame I live in France. Then again, if 10.5.2 keeps growing like it is it might be quicker for me to pop on a plane to California than download it!
Does anyone know whether this latest version offers insights into whether Time Machine will support external hard disks attached to Airport Extremes?
I doubt it, the seeds, from what I have read so far, do not include that functionality. Apple appears to be forcing people to their time capsule hardware solution for this, even though it appears to be the same functionality and was supposed to be in the initial release before they pulled the plug on it a few days before the release.
Regarding numerous posts about beta testers needing to be a paying developer, keep in mind that Apple also uses AppleSeed testers to test these minor (and major) releases. So when writes write about developers getting a new seed, often times regular users who are beta testers will also receive the new seeds.
Does anyone know if Apple has fixed Wireless access on the new Macbooks? I can log in just fine on my home network, but the campus network connections is ALWAYS dropped by leopard until I manually enter the Wireless network name, and the WEP key. The funny thing is that Leopard will connect to the network, and the drop it, and offer me the option to connect to other networks, although the one it connects to is higher on the Wifi networks list.
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Thus, you are in effect paying to work on a beta for Apple, so you are essentially paying to work for Apple.
One of the nifty perks of being a full member (probably the top level) is you can reserve access to run/test your apps on ALL of Apple's currently shipping machines, plus a selection of older ones as well running current and older OSes. A dedicated beta test farm for developers to try their apps on.
Thanks for clearing that up (and for not flaming me, I'm surprised so many people jumped on my case for a simple question. Sheesh).
I spotted that too. Hopefully my response didn't come across that way. I just assumed that anyone not a part of ADC probably isn't aware of the benefits. Many of the responses seemed to be more like, "you friggin' idiot, how dare you not know everything about the universe."
I don't care if the download is 600mb. I don't care if it takes a few more weeks. I just need a reliable environment.
Apple needs to remember that "it just works" is still a huge differentiator. Better design with horific quality will put Apple and its products back in the niche category.
I spotted that too. Hopefully my response didn't come across that way. I just assumed that anyone not a part of ADC probably isn't aware of the benefits. Many of the responses seemed to be more like, "you friggin' idiot, how dare you not know everything about the universe."
I actually thought the responses were tempered and informative. Which makes sense, because it wasn't a dumb question to begin with--if you are not in the developer community, the only part of the interaction between them and Apple that we hear about is the seeding of OS betas and the like.
Academics can join ADC for only $99/year and receive hardware discounts, but they do not receive beta seeds.
Speaking of informative...with the retail Academic Discount diminishing (or disapearing) maybe I need to look into joining up... I wonder what the qualifications are...
I hear the discounts are good!
I even know the secret chant ("Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers!")
I've been waiting for a couple of updates before upgrading to Leopard. Once 10.5.2 is in the wild I will be ordering a family pack to load onto our 5 Macs.
To top it all off, Leopard disabled Matshita superdrives, which has left my powerbookc useless to me... and the uproar from my clients who trusted my advise and bought Mac's.
... of course in typical Apple fashion, not a peep or acknowledgment of any issue's.
Yes, 10.5.2 had better be the second coming of Apple. To hell with ipods and phones, movie downloads and other shit... if they let their core business completely fall apart. Time to put the good engineers back on the important stuff, and the interns on the fluff.
My frustration with Apple is reaching it's boiling point.
Among the latest additions were fixes to....iChat's Bluetooth functionality
Sorry... what have I missed? What does this do?
I tried iChat when it came out, most people I knew had Skype, and I haven't used it much (though the remote takeover looks good).
Thanks
Hopefully THIS will be the prime-time hardened release. That is clearly what AAPL has in mind.
To top it all off, Leopard disabled Matshita superdrives, which has left my powerbookc useless to me... and the uproar from my clients who trusted my advise and bought Mac's.
I've provided Mac tech support to numerous clients, associates and friends. I've consistently told everyone to hold off on buying a newly released OS until at least 2-3 updates. I've stuck with this no matter how good the reviews are. Not only does Apple have to work out bugs but so do 3-party developers.
Sounds like you need to readjust your advise if you want to keep clients. Very few people truly benefit from having to always be on the bleeding edge of technology.
All I want to know is... When??
I'd guess right about the time the Apple TV update appears, and it's been delayed about 2 weeks, to mid-February.
This is odd for Apple. We now have 3 point release seeds that have had no known issues.
I reckon it's revenge for people daring to criticise the arguably premature release of Leopard in the first place!
All I know is that I intend to be the first in line at the newly established 1 Infinite Loop drive-thru window when 10.5.2 is released, and handed out; they are serving coffee too.
If that's true that has gotta be the grooviest thing I've heard in a long time. Shame I live in France. Then again, if 10.5.2 keeps growing like it is it might be quicker for me to pop on a plane to California than download it!
Does anyone know whether this latest version offers insights into whether Time Machine will support external hard disks attached to Airport Extremes?
I doubt it, the seeds, from what I have read so far, do not include that functionality. Apple appears to be forcing people to their time capsule hardware solution for this, even though it appears to be the same functionality and was supposed to be in the initial release before they pulled the plug on it a few days before the release.