r-41157, if you're so eager to get one JUST BUY A MBP and stop moaning - It's a great machine and you can sell it after getting a new one whenever it is released. I am waiting for the Penryns, too. But I'm patient...
The current Macbook Pro's were great machines six months ago, but now we are on the verge of machines with higher clock speeds and cooler running temps and anyone who is savvy to this info would not buy until the update.
I don't know about you, but I cannot afford to waist money by purchasing a new laptop for $2,000 USD base price and then LOOSE money selling it in a few months. Stupid advice.
P.S. I don't know how long you have been waiting to buy a new machine, but I have been waiting for over a year now. I was waiting until 3 months ago to make sure I had all of the funds I needed, and since then I have waited for MWSF, which was f***ing pointless. And I am still waiting. My iBook G4 cannot hold out much longer.
Patience wears pretty damn thin after a year...
And don't roll your eyes at people who desperately need a new machine and who are not foolish enough to waist money. Very unbecoming.
folks, there's always something better on the horizon. sure, the penryns are near but as always the "mantra" goes: "if you need now, buy now - if you can wait, wait.". if the macbook pros are three months (1 week) away and you buy one of the current models now and sell it in three months (two weeks) you will most likely not loose more than 10 percent of the original price - heck, you may even make PROFIT if you buy with edu-discount and sell afterwards. do not call me stupid!
and by the way there is a stark contrast between throwing 200 dollars out of the window and putting them towards the use of the best apple laptop available for a few months... the current core2duo mbp has all the kinks worked out.
penryn based notebooks available from Dell and HP?
A quick search on the web failed to find any shipping. Though one site did claim that both Apple and Dell would be releasing penryn notebooks next week. CNET is claiming that Dell would put out a penryn notebook by Feb 14.
The current Macbook Pro's were great machines six months ago, but now we are on the verge of machines with higher clock speeds and cooler running temps and anyone who is savvy to this info would not buy until the update.
I don't know about you, but I cannot afford to waist money by purchasing a new laptop for $2,000 USD base price and then LOOSE money selling it in a few months. Stupid advice.
P.S. I don't know how long you have been waiting to buy a new machine, but I have been waiting for over a year now. I was waiting until 3 months ago to make sure I had all of the funds I needed, and since then I have waited for MWSF, which was f***ing pointless. And I am still waiting. My iBook G4 cannot hold out much longer.
Patience wears pretty damn thin after a year...
And don't roll your eyes at people who desperately need a new machine and who are not foolish enough to waist money. Very unbecoming.
You weren't really waiting if you didn't have the money, now were you?
If you were waiting for a year, that means you passed up a perfectly nice upgrade last June, and that would be no one's fault but your own. If you had the money 3 months ago, it should have been obvious Apple was mid-cycle, and updates could appear anytime between January and April.
Has it been worth not having the new computer for the last 3 months? If so, then sit back and patiently wait. If not, then you should have pulled the trigger when you first had the cash.
I know that it is basically impossible to predict when Apple is going to release something, but evidently some of the AI Members are able to get information that the rest of us are not privy to until they share it with us.
I wouldn't bank on anything seen in this forum.
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So, does anyone have any additional info as far as the date is concerned?
Why worry, either you need or you don't need a MBP. If you need one get one, if not sit back so that you can see how badly Apple screws this one up or not.
I too am waiting for an MBP update. Here's what I think:
1. Very unlikely that all rumor sites would be wrong about "imminent MBPs" and that Apple would just skip one cycle altogether to go to Montevina when the company is being very aggressive and the MBP is quite an important product for the company strategically. So: MBPs in February or at the very latest March 17th (Basically all [the many] rumors say february, except an CrunchGear one that says 3/17). I'd bet Apple has been wanting to release the MBPs but has had some complications (Penryn availability, Air being a needy spoiled little brat), which is why the rumored dates have been fuzzy.
2. The Air shows Apple likes the aluminum thing, which I think is classically beautiful and functional, and I doubt Apple has been having an abundance of resources to dedicate to designing a completely new case. So: basically the same case, but with some nice improvements, like a nice keyboard similar to the MB's, the Air's and Apple Bluetooth Keyboard's, Air-like touchpad, some other details, and possibly slightly thinner and nicer (like rounder corners, for example).
3. Of course, 2.5 and 2.6GHz Penryns with 6MB L2 cache, but also improvements to at least some of the following:
Battery
Display
Bigger hard drives
Better video card or more memory (I don't know much about video cards)
I'm sure about many things you've mentioned and I honestly doubt that we'll see the elusive "redesign" — but I even feel uncertain about small refinements. Possible that we'll see new MBPs in a few weeks which look exactly like the current models. A major redesign should be coming later in 2008 with Montevina...
Arrgh.. It's a tough call: my final guess is a new MacBook Pro in the next two weeks with a magnetic latch and the OLD keyboard. Apple will incorporate the new ones with the redesign of the case. We will, however, see nice speed improvements: HDD bump to 160GB on the base model, GeForce 8800m with maybe 256 megs of RAM. The screen resolution will remain at 1440*900px.. The case needs a major reworking to allow embedding of the new keyboard. It would be very untrue to Apple's design history if they put the new keyboard into the old model just to redesign everything 6 months later!
You're welcome to get back to me when the Penryn-based models are finally released
hmmmm i have been reading about a common fault with the MBP keyboard, maybe apple will assess this and make some adjustments with this update??? Who knows!
1. The current MBP case stays basically the same for a few more semesters but is refined, like with the Mac Pro
2. The case stays pretty much exactly the same until it is radically redesigned from the ground up, including all internal placements, etc. like the iBook->MacBook, sometime between tomorrow and 09Q1
I wouldn't be surprised if Apple went way number 1 and kept the current design, which I own and consider excellent, and has been tested and tweaked to almost engineering perfection (I'm surprised, for example, at how well it resists my abuse), and so can dedicate company resources to the many, many things it has goings on (probably a couple of which we don't know about) while refining it with a new keyboard, slimmer profile, bigger trackpad, magnetic latch, etc.
Alternatively, it could go way 2 (complete redesign), which as you say, would make sense with Montevina (which I read somewhere will allow smaller motherboards), and would make refinements on this upcoming update unlikely.
hmmmm i have been reading about a common fault with the MBP keyboard, maybe apple will assess this and make some adjustments with this update??? Who knows!
Yeah, I think the MBP keyboard needs to be changed, and doing that would freshen the look of the MBP with the same stone.
Here's hoping to small refinements. I consider the current design to be industry leading even today after these many years and as you and I have said before they have all the bugs (the core duo's whine for example) ironed out. Truly excellent and perfect machines. Sure, it is even possible that the design stays basically the same for years to come, with small optical refreshment to make them look younger.
We'll see. My prediction stands and I would not be unhappy if they stay the same... I am indifferent, really...
Here's hoping to small refinements. I consider the current design to be industry leading even today after these many years and as you and I have said before they have all the bugs (the core duo's whine for example) ironed out. Truly excellent and perfect machines. Sure, it is even possible that the design stays basically the same for years to come, with small optical refreshment to make them look younger.
We'll see. My prediction stands and I would not be unhappy if they stay the same... I am indifferent, really...
Yes, I bet whatever comes will be sweet--Apple is on fire and they're being very aggressive about matching competitors' specs-price. They'll make the right trade-off for us and we can just lay back and enjoy. I'm leaning towards more than just processor, video, and hard drive upgrades, though. Hopefully it'll be something fun.
i spoke with a mac reseller yesterday and he said the new MBP was supposed to be out last week but thought this next week it would be out. i am a newbie to macs but have been won over. particularly with all the quirks of a pc.
i spoke with a mac reseller yesterday and he said the new MBP was supposed to be out last week but thought this next week it would be out. i am a newbie to macs but have been won over. particularly with all the quirks of a pc.
hey milo, welcome to the boards... recent research (*cough*) has shown that the typical apple reseller has NO clue what's going on with new models. they seem to be totally left in the dark about upcoming releases by apple... secrecy, you know
well he obviously didn't try to take my $4000 that day as i plan to get a full meal deal ie router backup etc. maybe he's on this forum. this reseller is different than a computer plus. he works as a small part of his family's business info business and he only sells the hardware. i plan to give it time.
I too am waiting for an MBP update. Here's what I think:
1. Very unlikely that all rumor sites would be wrong about "imminent MBPs" and that Apple would just skip one cycle altogether to go to Montevina when the company is being very aggressive and the MBP is quite an important product for the company strategically. So: MBPs in February or at the very latest March 17th (Basically all [the many] rumors say february, except an CrunchGear one that says 3/17). I'd bet Apple has been wanting to release the MBPs but has had some complications (Penryn availability, Air being a needy spoiled little brat), which is why the rumored dates have been fuzzy.
2. The Air shows Apple likes the aluminum thing, which I think is classically beautiful and functional, and I doubt Apple has been having an abundance of resources to dedicate to designing a completely new case. So: basically the same case, but with some nice improvements, like a nice keyboard similar to the MB's, the Air's and Apple Bluetooth Keyboard's, Air-like touchpad, some other details, and possibly slightly thinner and nicer (like rounder corners, for example).
3. Of course, 2.5 and 2.6GHz Penryns with 6MB L2 cache, but also improvements to at least some of the following:
Battery
Display
Bigger hard drives
Better video card or more memory (I don't know much about video cards)
What do yous guyses think?
This is good, common sense analysis. Thank you. I agree with what you say, except I think that Apple gives it a revised keyboard and trackpad and makes it slightly thinner with more rounded corners, this amounts to a full case redesign.
(There's a mock of what it might look like on Edgadget)
...except I think that Apple gives it a revised keyboard and trackpad and makes it slightly thinner with more rounded corners, this amounts to a full case redesign.
Haha, yeah, but I was thinking something like how the iMac G5 got half an inch thinner in late 2005 while preserving the case design, or how hard drive iPods have been progressively slimmed down with basically the same case save for refinements. I believe the Mac Pro also got changes while maintaining the fundamental design. I think this conservative approach allows them to leverage having kinks ironed out over time, and presumably for the pro segment, 1. form is not that much of an issue (a pro usually will know what she wants and won't need to be lured by aesthetics as much), and 2. reliability and function is more important, or at least unreliability is more directly costly. A ground-up case redesign (including internals, cooling, seizing the full opportunity provided by a radical rebuilding) I would think is a considerable engineering undertaking that would involve more modeling, planning, testing, and risk-taking, which of late has probably been reserved for the egomaniacal skinny bastard of the lineup. (I say that with love--I myself am an egomaniacal skinny bastard)
Also, I bet the folks at Apple learned a thing or two about making a machine thin with the Air that could be readily applied to the Pro, and it'd be like Apple to want to be able to say it's thinner. Also, for example, the nano has gotten its edges refined while keeping the basic case (nano 1G->nano 2G), which I think the MBP could use. Now that I'm going on about it I find it all less likely, but it still makes sense from a business point of view (and, in a way, from an artist's too).
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r-41157, if you're so eager to get one JUST BUY A MBP and stop moaning - It's a great machine and you can sell it after getting a new one whenever it is released. I am waiting for the Penryns, too. But I'm patient...
The current Macbook Pro's were great machines six months ago, but now we are on the verge of machines with higher clock speeds and cooler running temps and anyone who is savvy to this info would not buy until the update.
I don't know about you, but I cannot afford to waist money by purchasing a new laptop for $2,000 USD base price and then LOOSE money selling it in a few months. Stupid advice.
P.S. I don't know how long you have been waiting to buy a new machine, but I have been waiting for over a year now. I was waiting until 3 months ago to make sure I had all of the funds I needed, and since then I have waited for MWSF, which was f***ing pointless. And I am still waiting. My iBook G4 cannot hold out much longer.
Patience wears pretty damn thin after a year...
And don't roll your eyes at people who desperately need a new machine and who are not foolish enough to waist money. Very unbecoming.
and by the way there is a stark contrast between throwing 200 dollars out of the window and putting them towards the use of the best apple laptop available for a few months... the current core2duo mbp has all the kinks worked out.
just a quick question
penryn based notebooks available from Dell and HP?
A quick search on the web failed to find any shipping. Though one site did claim that both Apple and Dell would be releasing penryn notebooks next week. CNET is claiming that Dell would put out a penryn notebook by Feb 14.
The current Macbook Pro's were great machines six months ago, but now we are on the verge of machines with higher clock speeds and cooler running temps and anyone who is savvy to this info would not buy until the update.
I don't know about you, but I cannot afford to waist money by purchasing a new laptop for $2,000 USD base price and then LOOSE money selling it in a few months. Stupid advice.
P.S. I don't know how long you have been waiting to buy a new machine, but I have been waiting for over a year now. I was waiting until 3 months ago to make sure I had all of the funds I needed, and since then I have waited for MWSF, which was f***ing pointless. And I am still waiting. My iBook G4 cannot hold out much longer.
Patience wears pretty damn thin after a year...
And don't roll your eyes at people who desperately need a new machine and who are not foolish enough to waist money. Very unbecoming.
You weren't really waiting if you didn't have the money, now were you?
If you were waiting for a year, that means you passed up a perfectly nice upgrade last June, and that would be no one's fault but your own. If you had the money 3 months ago, it should have been obvious Apple was mid-cycle, and updates could appear anytime between January and April.
Has it been worth not having the new computer for the last 3 months? If so, then sit back and patiently wait. If not, then you should have pulled the trigger when you first had the cash.
I know that it is basically impossible to predict when Apple is going to release something, but evidently some of the AI Members are able to get information that the rest of us are not privy to until they share it with us.
I wouldn't bank on anything seen in this forum.
So, does anyone have any additional info as far as the date is concerned?
Why worry, either you need or you don't need a MBP. If you need one get one, if not sit back so that you can see how badly Apple screws this one up or not.
Dave
1. Very unlikely that all rumor sites would be wrong about "imminent MBPs" and that Apple would just skip one cycle altogether to go to Montevina when the company is being very aggressive and the MBP is quite an important product for the company strategically. So: MBPs in February or at the very latest March 17th (Basically all [the many] rumors say february, except an CrunchGear one that says 3/17). I'd bet Apple has been wanting to release the MBPs but has had some complications (Penryn availability, Air being a needy spoiled little brat), which is why the rumored dates have been fuzzy.
2. The Air shows Apple likes the aluminum thing, which I think is classically beautiful and functional, and I doubt Apple has been having an abundance of resources to dedicate to designing a completely new case. So: basically the same case, but with some nice improvements, like a nice keyboard similar to the MB's, the Air's and Apple Bluetooth Keyboard's, Air-like touchpad, some other details, and possibly slightly thinner and nicer (like rounder corners, for example).
3. Of course, 2.5 and 2.6GHz Penryns with 6MB L2 cache, but also improvements to at least some of the following:
Battery
Display
Bigger hard drives
Better video card or more memory (I don't know much about video cards)
What do yous guyses think?
You're welcome to get back to me when the Penryn-based models are finally released
1. The current MBP case stays basically the same for a few more semesters but is refined, like with the Mac Pro
2. The case stays pretty much exactly the same until it is radically redesigned from the ground up, including all internal placements, etc. like the iBook->MacBook, sometime between tomorrow and 09Q1
I wouldn't be surprised if Apple went way number 1 and kept the current design, which I own and consider excellent, and has been tested and tweaked to almost engineering perfection (I'm surprised, for example, at how well it resists my abuse), and so can dedicate company resources to the many, many things it has goings on (probably a couple of which we don't know about) while refining it with a new keyboard, slimmer profile, bigger trackpad, magnetic latch, etc.
Alternatively, it could go way 2 (complete redesign), which as you say, would make sense with Montevina (which I read somewhere will allow smaller motherboards), and would make refinements on this upcoming update unlikely.
hmmmm i have been reading about a common fault with the MBP keyboard, maybe apple will assess this and make some adjustments with this update??? Who knows!
Yeah, I think the MBP keyboard needs to be changed, and doing that would freshen the look of the MBP with the same stone.
We'll see. My prediction stands and I would not be unhappy if they stay the same... I am indifferent, really...
Here's hoping to small refinements. I consider the current design to be industry leading even today after these many years and as you and I have said before they have all the bugs (the core duo's whine for example) ironed out. Truly excellent and perfect machines. Sure, it is even possible that the design stays basically the same for years to come, with small optical refreshment to make them look younger.
We'll see. My prediction stands and I would not be unhappy if they stay the same... I am indifferent, really...
Yes, I bet whatever comes will be sweet--Apple is on fire and they're being very aggressive about matching competitors' specs-price. They'll make the right trade-off for us and we can just lay back and enjoy. I'm leaning towards more than just processor, video, and hard drive upgrades, though. Hopefully it'll be something fun.
hey milo, welcome to the boards... recent research (*cough*) has shown that the typical apple reseller has NO clue what's going on with new models. they seem to be totally left in the dark about upcoming releases by apple... secrecy, you know
i would definitely not count on that statement.
I too am waiting for an MBP update. Here's what I think:
1. Very unlikely that all rumor sites would be wrong about "imminent MBPs" and that Apple would just skip one cycle altogether to go to Montevina when the company is being very aggressive and the MBP is quite an important product for the company strategically. So: MBPs in February or at the very latest March 17th (Basically all [the many] rumors say february, except an CrunchGear one that says 3/17). I'd bet Apple has been wanting to release the MBPs but has had some complications (Penryn availability, Air being a needy spoiled little brat), which is why the rumored dates have been fuzzy.
2. The Air shows Apple likes the aluminum thing, which I think is classically beautiful and functional, and I doubt Apple has been having an abundance of resources to dedicate to designing a completely new case. So: basically the same case, but with some nice improvements, like a nice keyboard similar to the MB's, the Air's and Apple Bluetooth Keyboard's, Air-like touchpad, some other details, and possibly slightly thinner and nicer (like rounder corners, for example).
3. Of course, 2.5 and 2.6GHz Penryns with 6MB L2 cache, but also improvements to at least some of the following:
Battery
Display
Bigger hard drives
Better video card or more memory (I don't know much about video cards)
What do yous guyses think?
This is good, common sense analysis. Thank you. I agree with what you say, except I think that Apple gives it a revised keyboard and trackpad and makes it slightly thinner with more rounded corners, this amounts to a full case redesign.
(There's a mock of what it might look like on Edgadget)
...except I think that Apple gives it a revised keyboard and trackpad and makes it slightly thinner with more rounded corners, this amounts to a full case redesign.
Haha, yeah, but I was thinking something like how the iMac G5 got half an inch thinner in late 2005 while preserving the case design, or how hard drive iPods have been progressively slimmed down with basically the same case save for refinements. I believe the Mac Pro also got changes while maintaining the fundamental design. I think this conservative approach allows them to leverage having kinks ironed out over time, and presumably for the pro segment, 1. form is not that much of an issue (a pro usually will know what she wants and won't need to be lured by aesthetics as much), and 2. reliability and function is more important, or at least unreliability is more directly costly. A ground-up case redesign (including internals, cooling, seizing the full opportunity provided by a radical rebuilding) I would think is a considerable engineering undertaking that would involve more modeling, planning, testing, and risk-taking, which of late has probably been reserved for the egomaniacal skinny bastard of the lineup. (I say that with love--I myself am an egomaniacal skinny bastard)
Also, I bet the folks at Apple learned a thing or two about making a machine thin with the Air that could be readily applied to the Pro, and it'd be like Apple to want to be able to say it's thinner. Also, for example, the nano has gotten its edges refined while keeping the basic case (nano 1G->nano 2G), which I think the MBP could use. Now that I'm going on about it I find it all less likely, but it still makes sense from a business point of view (and, in a way, from an artist's too).
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