It's obvious that he's talking about both voice dialing while driving and handsfree.
While the iPhone comes with headphones/mic, it would be nice if they allowed it to work seamlessly with more cars via Bluetooth and add hands-free dialing.
Yup, exactly. And only on AI would someone be so literal to think one was talking about dialing while the phone was pressed to your ear.
Yup, exactly. And only on AI would someone be so literal to think one was talking about dialing while the phone was pressed to your ear.
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state the obvious get an obvious answer.
as i already said, your problem is already solved in multiple ways.
if you want voicedialing there is already a native app for it, if you don't want to jailbreak you can rest assured it will be out when apps start coming out in itunes.
if you're worried about not having the phone up to your ear, so as not to break the law, there is nothing to worry about. dial like normal and use a BT headset.
if you're worried about not having the phone up to your ear, so as not to break the law, there is nothing to worry about. dial like normal and use a BT headset.
I don't think you're supposed to "dial like normal" while driving either, under the new law. Kinda defeats the purpose of hands-free.
Recent studies have shown that even hands free phone use is as dangerous as hands on phone use, which, as we all know, is as dangerous as having a blood alcohol level above legal limits.
There are debates as to whether all phone use in autos, while driving, should be banned. Here in NY state, the fines for hands on use might be raised a great deal. Afterwards, who knows?
That's sad Mel, but it does make sense. The conversation itself is probably as much of a distraction as actually holding the cellphone.
But then, where does it stop? Do we then ban ppl in the car from conversing with the driver? Good effing luck with that.
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The problem is that talking on the phone, no matter how, takes much more concentration than talking to someone in the car itself. People don't realize that.
Somehow, this story implies that when adding 3G to the iPhone, it won't have EDGE. That is NOT TRUE, correct? Just wondering if adding 3G circuitry would mean removing EDGE circuitry, for the sake of the space needed. Thanks
I know that 3GSM phones in Europe and Australia are much larger than 2G phones.
I only recently learned that 3GSM phones in Japan are the same size as their older 2G version was. The reason for this was that they couldn't roam back onto the 2G network - they were 3G only. When Vodafone bought a Japanese Telco it decided to sell their standard European phones, which were much bulkier, and it went badly for Vodafone's operation (Vodafone are now exiting Japan).
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Originally Posted by TBaggins
The 3G/HSDPA chipsets are also compatible with EDGE. If there's a 3G network where you are, it'll use it, but if EDGE is the fastest network where you are, it'll go with that. Yay!
It all comes down to what the chip is capable of. If they can fit the functions on the chip without increasing the size or cost there'd be no question ... but when does that happen . Will handset makers pay extra for EDGE on the chip or would they rather just fall back to regular GPRS speeds (1/3 of Edge)?
Recent studies have shown that even hands free phone use is as dangerous as hands on phone use
Yep the studies are showing that. It also depends on the type of handsfree, though I'm not aware of studies differentiating that. I've found that a good handsfree device is significantly easier than a cheaper one that comes with the handset. I'd say cheap handsfree are worse than just putting the phone up to your ear.
I hope they start improving the studies and the handsfree systems - though I'm not sure how a police officer could recognise the difference easily in order to enforce a fine for bad handsfree.
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Originally Posted by melgross
The problem is that talking on the phone, no matter how, takes much more concentration than talking to someone in the car itself. People don't realize that.
One of the effects is shared perception - when you're talking to someone and they're glancing at things in the environment, we tend to pick up those minimal cues. We'll notice things they notice. The same happens when we're in a car with someone. And if they see something important they'll focus on it and stop speaking. The passenger actually helps us to focus on what's important.
Not so much when the passenger is a 4 year old child!
Anyway, when we're on the phone, the other person's speech is not affected by what's going on in or around your car. The rapport built on the phone takes us a step away from the car environment. I'm not sure how you would avoid that.
I do know that if I'm talking handsfree my eyes will glance towards the handsfree-speaker occasionally - so perhaps the illusion of the caller speaking from the windscreen would be useful (come to think of it - some good kits I've used have the conversation coming out the rear speaker behind the driver, which until now puzzled me, but should actually avoid that issue).
Yep the studies are showing that. It also depends on the type of handsfree, though I'm not aware of studies differentiating that. I've found that a good handsfree device is significantly easier than a cheaper one that comes with the handset. I'd say cheap handsfree are worse than just putting the phone up to your ear.
I hope they start improving the studies and the handsfree systems - though I'm not sure how a police officer could recognise the difference easily in order to enforce a fine for bad handsfree.
One of the effects is shared perception - when you're talking to someone and they're glancing at things in the environment, we tend to pick up those minimal cues. We'll notice things they notice. The same happens when we're in a car with someone. And if they see something important they'll focus on it and stop speaking. The passenger actually helps us to focus on what's important.
Not so much when the passenger is a 4 year old child!
Anyway, when we're on the phone, the other person's speech is not affected by what's going on in or around your car. The rapport built on the phone takes us a step away from the car environment. I'm not sure how you would avoid that.
I do know that if I'm talking handsfree my eyes will glance towards the handsfree-speaker occasionally - so perhaps the illusion of the caller speaking from the windscreen would be useful (come to think of it - some good kits I've used have the conversation coming out the rear speaker behind the driver, which until now puzzled me, but should actually avoid that issue).
Indeedy. I've almost been hit by people talking on their phones, handsfree, or otherwise.
One of the effects is shared perception - when you're talking to someone and they're glancing at things in the environment, we tend to pick up those minimal cues. We'll notice things they notice. The same happens when we're in a car with someone. And if they see something important they'll focus on it and stop speaking. The passenger actually helps us to focus on what's important.
Perhaps. I think there would also be substantial abatement of driver error if only the cell phones used a higher quality voice stream. They advertise 14Mbits of data, but the talk stream is more like 14kbits: often less. A 32kbit voice stream would make a huge difference in call quality.
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It's obvious that he's talking about both voice dialing while driving and handsfree.
While the iPhone comes with headphones/mic, it would be nice if they allowed it to work seamlessly with more cars via Bluetooth and add hands-free dialing.
Yup, exactly. And only on AI would someone be so literal to think one was talking about dialing while the phone was pressed to your ear.
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Yup, exactly. And only on AI would someone be so literal to think one was talking about dialing while the phone was pressed to your ear.
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Hmmm, ear dialing, I don't know, could be a first.
Hmmm, ear dialing, I don't know, could be a first.
<rushes to file patent that I'll never develop in hopes someone else will so I can sue the pants off them>
Yup, exactly. And only on AI would someone be so literal to think one was talking about dialing while the phone was pressed to your ear.
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state the obvious get an obvious answer.
as i already said, your problem is already solved in multiple ways.
if you want voicedialing there is already a native app for it, if you don't want to jailbreak you can rest assured it will be out when apps start coming out in itunes.
if you're worried about not having the phone up to your ear, so as not to break the law, there is nothing to worry about. dial like normal and use a BT headset.
you're complaining about a non-existent problem.
<rushes to file patent that I'll never develop in hopes someone else will so I can sue the pants off them>
<watches as Microsoft buys solipism out for absolutely no good reason>
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<watches as Microsoft buys solipism out for absolutely no good reason>
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If they buy him out, he won't be posting here anymore.
If they buy him out, he won't be posting here anymore.
Shhh! I know of a few posters here who might want to pool their money together just so that very thing happens.
Shhh! I know of a few posters here who might want to pool their money together just so that very thing happens.
Hmmm. Count me in!
Shhh! I know of a few posters here who might want to pool their money together just so that very thing happens.
What?!? They can't do that to the Father of Ear-Dialing? !!
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if you're worried about not having the phone up to your ear, so as not to break the law, there is nothing to worry about. dial like normal and use a BT headset.
I don't think you're supposed to "dial like normal" while driving either, under the new law. Kinda defeats the purpose of hands-free.
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Recent studies have shown that even hands free phone use is as dangerous as hands on phone use, which, as we all know, is as dangerous as having a blood alcohol level above legal limits.
There are debates as to whether all phone use in autos, while driving, should be banned. Here in NY state, the fines for hands on use might be raised a great deal. Afterwards, who knows?
But then, where does it stop? Do we then ban ppl in the car from conversing with the driver? Good effing luck with that.
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I don't think you're supposed to "dial like normal" while driving either, under the new law. Kinda defeats the purpose of hands-free.
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that sucks.
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That's sad Mel, but it does make sense. The conversation itself is probably as much of a distraction as actually holding the cellphone.
But then, where does it stop? Do we then ban ppl in the car from conversing with the driver? Good effing luck with that.
.
The problem is that talking on the phone, no matter how, takes much more concentration than talking to someone in the car itself. People don't realize that.
Somehow, this story implies that when adding 3G to the iPhone, it won't have EDGE. That is NOT TRUE, correct? Just wondering if adding 3G circuitry would mean removing EDGE circuitry, for the sake of the space needed. Thanks
I know that 3GSM phones in Europe and Australia are much larger than 2G phones.
I only recently learned that 3GSM phones in Japan are the same size as their older 2G version was. The reason for this was that they couldn't roam back onto the 2G network - they were 3G only. When Vodafone bought a Japanese Telco it decided to sell their standard European phones, which were much bulkier, and it went badly for Vodafone's operation (Vodafone are now exiting Japan).
The 3G/HSDPA chipsets are also compatible with EDGE. If there's a 3G network where you are, it'll use it, but if EDGE is the fastest network where you are, it'll go with that. Yay!
It all comes down to what the chip is capable of. If they can fit the functions on the chip without increasing the size or cost there'd be no question ... but when does that happen
Recent studies have shown that even hands free phone use is as dangerous as hands on phone use
Yep the studies are showing that. It also depends on the type of handsfree, though I'm not aware of studies differentiating that. I've found that a good handsfree device is significantly easier than a cheaper one that comes with the handset. I'd say cheap handsfree are worse than just putting the phone up to your ear.
I hope they start improving the studies and the handsfree systems - though I'm not sure how a police officer could recognise the difference easily in order to enforce a fine for bad handsfree.
The problem is that talking on the phone, no matter how, takes much more concentration than talking to someone in the car itself. People don't realize that.
One of the effects is shared perception - when you're talking to someone and they're glancing at things in the environment, we tend to pick up those minimal cues. We'll notice things they notice. The same happens when we're in a car with someone. And if they see something important they'll focus on it and stop speaking. The passenger actually helps us to focus on what's important.
Not so much when the passenger is a 4 year old child!
Anyway, when we're on the phone, the other person's speech is not affected by what's going on in or around your car. The rapport built on the phone takes us a step away from the car environment. I'm not sure how you would avoid that.
I do know that if I'm talking handsfree my eyes will glance towards the handsfree-speaker occasionally - so perhaps the illusion of the caller speaking from the windscreen would be useful (come to think of it - some good kits I've used have the conversation coming out the rear speaker behind the driver, which until now puzzled me, but should actually avoid that issue).
Yep the studies are showing that. It also depends on the type of handsfree, though I'm not aware of studies differentiating that. I've found that a good handsfree device is significantly easier than a cheaper one that comes with the handset. I'd say cheap handsfree are worse than just putting the phone up to your ear.
I hope they start improving the studies and the handsfree systems - though I'm not sure how a police officer could recognise the difference easily in order to enforce a fine for bad handsfree.
One of the effects is shared perception - when you're talking to someone and they're glancing at things in the environment, we tend to pick up those minimal cues. We'll notice things they notice. The same happens when we're in a car with someone. And if they see something important they'll focus on it and stop speaking. The passenger actually helps us to focus on what's important.
Not so much when the passenger is a 4 year old child!
Anyway, when we're on the phone, the other person's speech is not affected by what's going on in or around your car. The rapport built on the phone takes us a step away from the car environment. I'm not sure how you would avoid that.
I do know that if I'm talking handsfree my eyes will glance towards the handsfree-speaker occasionally - so perhaps the illusion of the caller speaking from the windscreen would be useful (come to think of it - some good kits I've used have the conversation coming out the rear speaker behind the driver, which until now puzzled me, but should actually avoid that issue).
Indeedy. I've almost been hit by people talking on their phones, handsfree, or otherwise.
One of the effects is shared perception - when you're talking to someone and they're glancing at things in the environment, we tend to pick up those minimal cues. We'll notice things they notice. The same happens when we're in a car with someone. And if they see something important they'll focus on it and stop speaking. The passenger actually helps us to focus on what's important.
Perhaps. I think there would also be substantial abatement of driver error if only the cell phones used a higher quality voice stream. They advertise 14Mbits of data, but the talk stream is more like 14kbits: often less. A 32kbit voice stream would make a huge difference in call quality.