<strong>could you go in the terminal and do a "hostinfo"? Do Sping-loaded folders work? If so, do they just replicate OS9esque functionality, or do they go a step further? What build is this? Any sign of better application binding? Any other new features? New preferences? Speed? Does SMB come with a browser interface? Does it feel more responsive? What build of IE has it got?
etc. etc. </strong><hr></blockquote>
I'll have to go grab the hard drive and boot onto it again, but I can answer some questions. It's basically the build that made the rumor sites rounds a couple of months back with all the screenshots.
Spring loaded folders had settings in the Finder, but they didn't work. I don't use SMB, so didn't notice a browser interface. It was the same version of IE that you're driving right now. One thing was that whenever you open a folder... for instance, you double click your hard drive on the desktop... the window zooms from the icon out to the full size of the window. And it's not like Mac OS 9's zoom rects... it's scaling the whole window. I'd have to go use it again to verify precisely what is happening, but I didn't see an option to turn it off.
And I guess the thing was faster than 10.1, but it was a clean install with nothing running in it. I did a clean install of X Server on a 466MHz G3 and it seemed fast Anyhow, I'll go plug the drive into another box and boot off of it, but really, it isn't that exciting, so I'm hoping JD is right about the upgrade...
One thing was that whenever you open a folder... for instance, you double click your hard drive on the desktop... the window zooms from the icon out to the full size of the window. And it's not like Mac OS 9's zoom rects... it's scaling the whole window. I'd have to go use it again to verify precisely what is happening, but I didn't see an option to turn it off...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Great, something else to slow down the UI.
Can use use Snapz Pro X to make a movie of this? I'm just curious as to how it works.
Sure, I'm finishing up some work for a client today, so I may not get to it until later... I'll post a link here in any case when I get around to it...
I don't necessarily believe the DAWG but I've seen enough elsewhere on the net to concur that 10.2 is going to kick some major ass. Bug fixes, under-the-hood tune ups, recompiled, new GUI gizmos...probably new API features. It's going to trounce 10.1 the way 10.1 trounced 10.0.
And I say again: WWDC. Think Academic Departments....
Ok, well, you can't really see the window scaling thing in Snapz Pro... I set it to 30fps and it still wouldn't capture well. Even if you go frame by frame. In any case, inquiring minds probably want to look at the 4MB QuickTime movie anyhow, so it's up at: <a href="http://www.turborodent.com/renegade.mov"; target="_blank">http://www.turborodent.com/renegade.mov</a>;
Oh, also, it should be noted that in IE in 10.2, all the fonts in the browser were anti-aliased just like in OmniWeb. The version of IE looked identical to the one in 10.1 when I went to the About box, but they did have different creation dates *shrugs*. So I don't know if it is a system level thing, or an IE thing...
Any chance you'll tell us about the search box in the title bar? I would venture to guess it acts as a filter similar to what's in Mail and ProcessViewer. Although, there was a similar box in DP3, but it just acted like a "go to path" tool.
PS. You'll get higher framerates if you switch the monitor to thousands instead of millions.
sure, I'll boot back into it tonight and take some screen shots. And thanks for the tip, starfleet x, I'll try another capture of the windows opening then as well.
As for the search box, it didn't seem to be functional, else I was going to record that. When I did type something in, and hit return, it switched to list view and displayed nothing, even though I typed in something it should have found.
If anyone else has any other pressing questions they want answered, let me know. This drive is supposed to go back into my Avid at some point in the near future, and it's most definitely getting wiped then
you can see the zooming in a couple of frames, it seems fast...
What I'd like to know is: If you get a .sit file, strip its extension and resource fork so that it's unidentifiable to the system (you might do that by stripping the extension, uploading it to an ftp server and then dling it again), does the "open with" menu yield something? ie, does the Finder read through the header of the file to determine what it might be or is it dumb like windows?
<strong>Yeah, TinkerTool, right on, and FruitMenu, and SNAX, and WindowShade, and LaunchBar, and ASM, and Duality or MetamorphX, and TransparentDock.
Give us the choice to customize our machines without having to fork out bucks for it every time we want to do it, Apple. If independent developers can do it, then why not Apple? And make X faster. PLEASE.
- T.I.</strong><hr></blockquote>
There's a reason why microsoft releases a pack of unsupported hacks separately after each release - the support part. The last thing Apple wants is 2x as many phone calls coming into support because some clueless idiots installed a screwed up theme or whatnot.
Wait until tomorrow, it's been a long week I could do it now, but instead I'm going to slip off to the pub with a friend of mine and discuss how much our clients suck
So at some point on Saturday I'll snap some pictures and attempt another movie. For now, I'm going to go enjoy the end of another week.
Any idea if this uses HFS+ or something else? Could you also try what I posted earlier :
[quote]What I'd like to know is: If you get a .sit file, strip its extension and resource fork so that it's unidentifiable to the system (you might do that by stripping the extension, uploading it to an ftp server and then dling it again), does the "open with" menu yield something? ie, does the Finder read through the header of the file to determine what it might be or is it dumb like windows?<hr></blockquote>
Ok, two new movies. The first one is done in Thousands of Colors and shows off everything. Be sure to read the essay I wrote in Word ;-) Someone on the Usenet was giving away a free SPARCstation 10 to the student with the best essay. Surprisingly, I lost Someone with a real sob story got it instead.
can you get a screen-shot of the anti-aliased IE text?
Frankly, Word v. X as well.
If this is true, they've implemented the 'quickdraw for text layout, coregraphics for rendering' for carbon apps... a godsend.
Tell me it's true!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Look at this. It seems that 10.2 IE(in the back in moviegrab) has inherited the anti aliasing, yet uses the same spacing as current Carbon IE..... see Quartz Mozilla on the top and current IE at the buttom. The quartz Mozilla uses the AA and the spacing... interesting... Is the spacing due to ATSUI and the AA due to quartz? Are they two separetaly implementable things?
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<strong>could you go in the terminal and do a "hostinfo"? Do Sping-loaded folders work? If so, do they just replicate OS9esque functionality, or do they go a step further? What build is this? Any sign of better application binding? Any other new features? New preferences? Speed? Does SMB come with a browser interface? Does it feel more responsive? What build of IE has it got?
etc. etc.
I'll have to go grab the hard drive and boot onto it again, but I can answer some questions. It's basically the build that made the rumor sites rounds a couple of months back with all the screenshots.
Spring loaded folders had settings in the Finder, but they didn't work. I don't use SMB, so didn't notice a browser interface. It was the same version of IE that you're driving right now. One thing was that whenever you open a folder... for instance, you double click your hard drive on the desktop... the window zooms from the icon out to the full size of the window. And it's not like Mac OS 9's zoom rects... it's scaling the whole window. I'd have to go use it again to verify precisely what is happening, but I didn't see an option to turn it off.
And I guess the thing was faster than 10.1, but it was a clean install with nothing running in it. I did a clean install of X Server on a 466MHz G3 and it seemed fast
<strong>
One thing was that whenever you open a folder... for instance, you double click your hard drive on the desktop... the window zooms from the icon out to the full size of the window. And it's not like Mac OS 9's zoom rects... it's scaling the whole window. I'd have to go use it again to verify precisely what is happening, but I didn't see an option to turn it off...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Great, something else to slow down the UI.
Can use use Snapz Pro X to make a movie of this? I'm just curious as to how it works.
Thanks.
J :cool:
<strong>Call it bad humor, call it genius...</strong><hr></blockquote>
"call it genius"... muhahaha!!!!! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
ah... thanks JYD, you gave me a really good laugh here! <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
now bring on the snaxxed movies!!
And I say again: WWDC. Think Academic Departments....
Have fun
can you get a screen-shot of the anti-aliased IE text?
Frankly, Word v. X as well.
If this is true, they've implemented the 'quickdraw for text layout, coregraphics for rendering' for carbon apps... a godsend.
Tell me it's true!
PS. You'll get higher framerates if you switch the monitor to thousands instead of millions.
As for the search box, it didn't seem to be functional, else I was going to record that. When I did type something in, and hit return, it switched to list view and displayed nothing, even though I typed in something it should have found.
If anyone else has any other pressing questions they want answered, let me know. This drive is supposed to go back into my Avid at some point in the near future, and it's most definitely getting wiped then
What I'd like to know is: If you get a .sit file, strip its extension and resource fork so that it's unidentifiable to the system (you might do that by stripping the extension, uploading it to an ftp server and then dling it again), does the "open with" menu yield something? ie, does the Finder read through the header of the file to determine what it might be or is it dumb like windows?
<strong>Yeah, TinkerTool, right on, and FruitMenu, and SNAX, and WindowShade, and LaunchBar, and ASM, and Duality or MetamorphX, and TransparentDock.
Give us the choice to customize our machines without having to fork out bucks for it every time we want to do it, Apple. If independent developers can do it, then why not Apple? And make X faster. PLEASE.
- T.I.</strong><hr></blockquote>
There's a reason why microsoft releases a pack of unsupported hacks separately after each release - the support part. The last thing Apple wants is 2x as many phone calls coming into support because some clueless idiots installed a screwed up theme or whatnot.
<strong>
can you get a screen-shot of the anti-aliased IE text?
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah I'd like to see some screenies of this and anything else of interest.
Thanks for the movie BTW
J :cool:
*ouch*
Can we see some screenshots?
So at some point on Saturday I'll snap some pictures and attempt another movie. For now, I'm going to go enjoy the end of another week.
Any idea if this uses HFS+ or something else? Could you also try what I posted earlier :
[quote]What I'd like to know is: If you get a .sit file, strip its extension and resource fork so that it's unidentifiable to the system (you might do that by stripping the extension, uploading it to an ftp server and then dling it again), does the "open with" menu yield something? ie, does the Finder read through the header of the file to determine what it might be or is it dumb like windows?<hr></blockquote>
<a href="http://www.turborodent.com/renegade1.mov"; target="_blank">http://www.turborodent.com/renegade1.mov</a>; (~10.6MB)
<a href="http://www.turborodent.com/renegade2.mov"; target="_blank">http://www.turborodent.com/renegade2.mov</a>; (~650k)
The second movie only shows off the opening and closing of finder windows. Enjoy!
<strong>Dear christ man.
can you get a screen-shot of the anti-aliased IE text?
Frankly, Word v. X as well.
If this is true, they've implemented the 'quickdraw for text layout, coregraphics for rendering' for carbon apps... a godsend.
Tell me it's true!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Look at this. It seems that 10.2 IE(in the back in moviegrab) has inherited the anti aliasing, yet uses the same spacing as current Carbon IE..... see Quartz Mozilla on the top and current IE at the buttom. The quartz Mozilla uses the AA and the spacing... interesting... Is the spacing due to ATSUI and the AA due to quartz? Are they two separetaly implementable things?
<a href="http://www.antigen.addr.com/fonts.gif"; target="_blank">http://www.antigen.addr.com/fonts.gif</A>;
little easier to see here:
EDIT - smaller comparison graphic
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The antialiasing in Carbon apps looks great. Any sign of Services, translucent Sheets, or Drawers in any Carbon apps?
I guess you've toured through System Prefs and not seen anything new, eh?