Cool chart, I had no idea that 3G speeds could be so high. What system is AT&T using?
According to the links below AT&T uses HSUPA, but they only advertise HSDPA (probably for marketing reasons?). While a carrier may use such standards don't mistake this for being a widespread offering, as I've read, AT&T is pretty far behind Versizona dn Sprint with 3G coverage, though they appear to have upped their game since the arrival of the iPhone.
Also, I'd say you'd get visual voicemail. All the (Australian) carriers would implement it to provide proper support for the phone. Why wouldn't they. It's not rocket science.
I agree, but Apple could always charge a lot for the feature, stating that if a carrier implements this before other carriers in a country they are more likely to obtain more new subscribers and keep their current customers.
Wow. It says "support for video telephony, streaming, recording, and playback" and "supports up to 5MP camera." Wow.
Yeh, support for, but don't expect Apple to go and take full advantage of many of the functions that the chip offers. Even though it's called a 3G iPhone, Apple needs to leave some stuff out so they'll have plenty of room to make hardware upgrades in the iPhone model just to make sure the money continues to roll in.
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Once the iPhone goes 3G, I wonder what the next gripe will be. How many of you are going to complain if it doesn't come with true GPS in it? "Gee, every other smartphone has true GPS, how come my iPhone doesn't after I paid all my hard-earned cash for it?. I guess I'd better wait for iPhone GPS." I hope the U.S. networks can handle lots of 3G users, otherwise there'll be another bottleneck to keep users unhappy.
Many of us have been doing a features list for the iPhone. I'll bet Apple barely manages to put half those features into the 3G iPhone. I'll hate to see what happens to Apple's share price at that point. I remember when the MacBook Air got introduced and many of us thought it would have so many groundbreaking features (WIMAX and built-in telephony) and that caused a big disappointment. Down went the share price. I just hope buyers will be satisfied with the 3G iPhone. I think updated firmware and SDK software should keep users happy. Well, that's my hope.\
This is exactly the news i want to hear. I stupidly recontracted with my phone company 3 (yes all they actually DO is 3g). It was a good choice at the time, cause it meant they paid out my old Nokie n70 AND gave me a free Sony k800i. I actually love my phone company, they're great.. but i'm contracted till April 2009 now cause i saved a bit of money.. and i'd cop a hefty penalty if i were to cancel the contract. But this means i can just purchase the iPhone outright and be on my merry way.
this means i can just purchase the iPhone outright and be on my merry way.
I'd expect the outright purchase price to be similar to the French unlocked price - A$1275 (but we should allow for minor price changes for 3G and inexplicable minor differences in Aussie/European pricing).
So I don't think this will help you (or me) switch to an iPhone mid contract.
On a related note:
An $800 Nokia phone is free on a Vodafone $49/mth (2 year) contract - which gives $280 worth of calls.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the iPhone for $499 on a $49/mth (2 year) contract, plus $10/mth for "unlimited" data (with fair use policy keeping it down to 1 GB)
Awesome news, but will this mean the iPhone will finally be coming to New Zealand as well?
Does anyone know what kind of networks Telecom NZ/Vodafone NZ use?
Vodafone uses GSM (for 2G) and 3GSM/UMTS (for 3G). So totally compatible.
Telecom NZ uses CDMA (for 2G) and I believe has that 3G version which is incompatible with 3GSM. HOWEVER, they said a couple of years back they would move their network across to 3GSM/UMTS, not sure how far down that track they are (if at all).
Once the iPhone goes 3G, I wonder what the next gripe will be.
My gripes -- independent of Gs -- will continue with the 3G version as well, unless fixed: At this stage it is plainly STUPID for the iPhone to not have cut-copy-paste or voice-activated dialing or ability to search within email.
Vodafone uses GSM (for 2G) and 3GSM/UMTS (for 3G). So totally compatible.
Telecom NZ uses CDMA (for 2G) and I believe has that 3G version which is incompatible with 3GSM. HOWEVER, they said a couple of years back they would move their network across to 3GSM/UMTS, not sure how far down that track they are (if at all).
Yeah Telecom have been talking about it for ages to try and compete with Vodafone, but it seems Telecom is always behind the ball in NZ. I've only ever used Vodafone for mobiles anyway but it would be nice if Telecom did something about the broadband speeds here. Anyone coming from S Korea or whatever must think they are in a backwater down here. I almost had kittens when I came back from overseas and found out how much mobile charges were in NZ.
Sorry Constable Odo, but the Macbook Air had nothing to do with AAPL's share price dropping. It was the downturn in the economy compounded by Apple's low guidance for the March quarter. Period.
I would hope that Apple takes advantage of most of the new chip's features. 5MP camera and video recording are a must. They can't get away with not having those when pretty much every camera out there does have those features.
Now all they know is that they didn't agree to a 2.5 G phone which means all Mac tragics would have bought one of them and then upgraded to the 3G phone meaning more units sold in total and a whole lot more people locked into their network for 2 years.
A whole lot of lost revenue that Telstra shareholders should be asking Sol about next time they get a chance.
Now the iPhone looks to be available to all networks.
I'm just pissed off because it means we had to wait a whole year before we got the damn thing!
Vodafone uses GSM (for 2G) and 3GSM/UMTS (for 3G). So totally compatible.
Telecom NZ uses CDMA (for 2G) and I believe has that 3G version which is incompatible with 3GSM. HOWEVER, they said a couple of years back they would move their network across to 3GSM/UMTS, not sure how far down that track they are (if at all).
excellent. Do you think apple will officially launch the iPhone in New Zealand simultaeniously as part of some sort of "Australasia" deal rather than a sole Australia deal?
I agree. If you look at the original site which lists the code, it looks like it's just cycling through the three versions of the chipset. It's proof of nothing. But I still think we'll see a 3G phone announcement in June.
Do you think apple will officially launch the iPhone in New Zealand simultaeniously as part of some sort of "Australasia" deal rather than a sole Australia deal?
Who knows?
If Apple has decided to charge "full price" for unlocked phones in Australia, and then let mobile phone operators subsidise the price down by putting them on contracts as they see fit, then they MIGHT decide that's just as valid in NZ and local Asian countries.
However - if Australia is a test-bed, as the article says, and Apple hasn't decided whether the model will be effective - then I'd guess they'd start by doing just the one country.
Another factor is that for now there is only one choice in NZ, and Apple hasn't released into that situation anywhere in the world (I assume it gives them very little power to dictate terms). The "full price" model rumoured doesn't need to have Apple dictating terms (so might work anywhere), BUT a country with 3 eager networks selling the iPhone is more likely to let competition provide reasonable terms to all those buying an iPhone.
So based on the rumour I'd lean towards Australia only, for now.
If Apple has decided to charge "full price" for unlocked phones in Australia, and then let mobile phone operators subsidise the price down by putting them on contracts as they see fit, then they MIGHT decide that's just as valid in NZ and local Asian countries.
However - if Australia is a test-bed, as the article says, and Apple hasn't decided whether the model will be effective - then I'd guess they'd start by doing just the one country.
Another factor is that for now there is only one choice in NZ, and Apple hasn't released into that situation anywhere in the world (I assume it gives them very little power to dictate terms). The "full price" model rumoured doesn't need to have Apple dictating terms (so might work anywhere), BUT a country with 3 eager networks selling the iPhone is more likely to let competition provide reasonable terms to all those buying an iPhone.
So based on the rumour I'd lean towards Australia only, for now.
Now all they know is that they didn't agree to a 2.5 G phone which means all Mac tragics would have bought one of them and then upgraded to the 3G phone meaning more units sold in total and a whole lot more people locked into their network for 2 years.
A whole lot of lost revenue that Telstra shareholders should be asking Sol about next time they get a chance.
Now the iPhone looks to be available to all networks.
I'm just pissed off because it means we had to wait a whole year before we got the damn thing!
Why do we keep employing these malodorous morons from the USA?
They keep arrogantly pontificating on all matters telecommunication whilst simultaneously showing amazing antipathy to their customers and Australia as a whole and singular incompetency in all their ventures.
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Solipsism,
Cool chart, I had no idea that 3G speeds could be so high. What system is AT&T using?
According to the links below AT&T uses HSUPA, but they only advertise HSDPA (probably for marketing reasons?). While a carrier may use such standards don't mistake this for being a widespread offering, as I've read, AT&T is pretty far behind Versizona dn Sprint with 3G coverage, though they appear to have upped their game since the arrival of the iPhone. PS: I think AT&T plan to use the newly acquired 700MHz spectrum for LTE.
PPS: The chart is by AI poster Winterspan from another thread.
Also, I'd say you'd get visual voicemail. All the (Australian) carriers would implement it to provide proper support for the phone. Why wouldn't they. It's not rocket science.
I agree, but Apple could always charge a lot for the feature, stating that if a carrier implements this before other carriers in a country they are more likely to obtain more new subscribers and keep their current customers.
According to the links below AT&T uses HSUPA, but they only advertise HSDPA (probably for marketing reasons?).
PS: I think AT&T plan to use the newly acquired 700MHz spectrum for LTE.
PPS: The chart is by AI poster Winterspan from another thread.
Thanks! One more question, why do the speeds for HSDPA and HSUPA have 3 levels?
And if Winterspan is out there, reading this thread, thanks to you too!
Thanks! One more question, why do the speeds for HSDPA and HSUPA have 3 levels?!
The answer is somewhere in the link below, but I can't explain it.
Wow. It says "support for video telephony, streaming, recording, and playback" and "supports up to 5MP camera." Wow.
Yeh, support for, but don't expect Apple to go and take full advantage of many of the functions that the chip offers. Even though it's called a 3G iPhone, Apple needs to leave some stuff out so they'll have plenty of room to make hardware upgrades in the iPhone model just to make sure the money continues to roll in.
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Once the iPhone goes 3G, I wonder what the next gripe will be. How many of you are going to complain if it doesn't come with true GPS in it? "Gee, every other smartphone has true GPS, how come my iPhone doesn't after I paid all my hard-earned cash for it?. I guess I'd better wait for iPhone GPS." I hope the U.S. networks can handle lots of 3G users, otherwise there'll be another bottleneck to keep users unhappy.
Many of us have been doing a features list for the iPhone. I'll bet Apple barely manages to put half those features into the 3G iPhone. I'll hate to see what happens to Apple's share price at that point. I remember when the MacBook Air got introduced and many of us thought it would have so many groundbreaking features (WIMAX and built-in telephony) and that caused a big disappointment. Down went the share price. I just hope buyers will be satisfied with the 3G iPhone. I think updated firmware and SDK software should keep users happy. Well, that's my hope.\
this means i can just purchase the iPhone outright and be on my merry way.
I'd expect the outright purchase price to be similar to the French unlocked price - A$1275 (but we should allow for minor price changes for 3G and inexplicable minor differences in Aussie/European pricing).
So I don't think this will help you (or me) switch to an iPhone mid contract.
On a related note:
An $800 Nokia phone is free on a Vodafone $49/mth (2 year) contract - which gives $280 worth of calls.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the iPhone for $499 on a $49/mth (2 year) contract, plus $10/mth for "unlimited" data (with fair use policy keeping it down to 1 GB)
Does anyone know what kind of networks Telecom NZ/Vodafone NZ use?
Awesome news, but will this mean the iPhone will finally be coming to New Zealand as well?
Does anyone know what kind of networks Telecom NZ/Vodafone NZ use?
Vodafone uses GSM (for 2G) and 3GSM/UMTS (for 3G). So totally compatible.
Telecom NZ uses CDMA (for 2G) and I believe has that 3G version which is incompatible with 3GSM. HOWEVER, they said a couple of years back they would move their network across to 3GSM/UMTS, not sure how far down that track they are (if at all).
edit: Telecom NZ should have a compatible 3G network in November 2008? http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/net_nzte.shtml
Once the iPhone goes 3G, I wonder what the next gripe will be.
My gripes -- independent of Gs -- will continue with the 3G version as well, unless fixed: At this stage it is plainly STUPID for the iPhone to not have cut-copy-paste or voice-activated dialing or ability to search within email.
Vodafone uses GSM (for 2G) and 3GSM/UMTS (for 3G). So totally compatible.
Telecom NZ uses CDMA (for 2G) and I believe has that 3G version which is incompatible with 3GSM. HOWEVER, they said a couple of years back they would move their network across to 3GSM/UMTS, not sure how far down that track they are (if at all).
edit: Telecom NZ should have a compatible 3G network in November 2008? http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/net_nzte.shtml
Yeah Telecom have been talking about it for ages to try and compete with Vodafone, but it seems Telecom is always behind the ball in NZ. I've only ever used Vodafone for mobiles anyway but it would be nice if Telecom did something about the broadband speeds here. Anyone coming from S Korea or whatever must think they are in a backwater down here. I almost had kittens when I came back from overseas and found out how much mobile charges were in NZ.
/end rant
I would hope that Apple takes advantage of most of the new chip's features. 5MP camera and video recording are a must. They can't get away with not having those when pretty much every camera out there does have those features.
Now all they know is that they didn't agree to a 2.5 G phone which means all Mac tragics would have bought one of them and then upgraded to the 3G phone meaning more units sold in total and a whole lot more people locked into their network for 2 years.
A whole lot of lost revenue that Telstra shareholders should be asking Sol about next time they get a chance.
Now the iPhone looks to be available to all networks.
I'm just pissed off because it means we had to wait a whole year before we got the damn thing!
Vodafone uses GSM (for 2G) and 3GSM/UMTS (for 3G). So totally compatible.
Telecom NZ uses CDMA (for 2G) and I believe has that 3G version which is incompatible with 3GSM. HOWEVER, they said a couple of years back they would move their network across to 3GSM/UMTS, not sure how far down that track they are (if at all).
edit: Telecom NZ should have a compatible 3G network in November 2008? http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/net_nzte.shtml
excellent. Do you think apple will officially launch the iPhone in New Zealand simultaeniously as part of some sort of "Australasia" deal rather than a sole Australia deal?
it is SGOLD3 chipset, not SGOLD3H chipset.
They got it right in the first article. Pointing it out from Ziphone. Then they put down a link to SGOLD3H chipset. Which is completely wrong.
On Tuesday evening it was discovered that the latest private beta of iPhone software v2.0 includes references to Infineon's SGOLD3H chipset.
Which is wrong again because the article point out the reference to Infineon's SGOLD3 chipset.
Sigh.....
Do you think apple will officially launch the iPhone in New Zealand simultaeniously as part of some sort of "Australasia" deal rather than a sole Australia deal?
Who knows?
If Apple has decided to charge "full price" for unlocked phones in Australia, and then let mobile phone operators subsidise the price down by putting them on contracts as they see fit, then they MIGHT decide that's just as valid in NZ and local Asian countries.
However - if Australia is a test-bed, as the article says, and Apple hasn't decided whether the model will be effective - then I'd guess they'd start by doing just the one country.
Another factor is that for now there is only one choice in NZ, and Apple hasn't released into that situation anywhere in the world (I assume it gives them very little power to dictate terms). The "full price" model rumoured doesn't need to have Apple dictating terms (so might work anywhere), BUT a country with 3 eager networks selling the iPhone is more likely to let competition provide reasonable terms to all those buying an iPhone.
So based on the rumour I'd lean towards Australia only, for now.
Who knows?
If Apple has decided to charge "full price" for unlocked phones in Australia, and then let mobile phone operators subsidise the price down by putting them on contracts as they see fit, then they MIGHT decide that's just as valid in NZ and local Asian countries.
However - if Australia is a test-bed, as the article says, and Apple hasn't decided whether the model will be effective - then I'd guess they'd start by doing just the one country.
Another factor is that for now there is only one choice in NZ, and Apple hasn't released into that situation anywhere in the world (I assume it gives them very little power to dictate terms). The "full price" model rumoured doesn't need to have Apple dictating terms (so might work anywhere), BUT a country with 3 eager networks selling the iPhone is more likely to let competition provide reasonable terms to all those buying an iPhone.
So based on the rumour I'd lean towards Australia only, for now.
typical
i hope they ll sell it here -officially- soon.
thanks for all the info.
Now they will be stuck with the slower incompatible version.
They who put their heads too early on the starting block invite them to be chopped off.
Telstra obviously thought they knew better.
Now all they know is that they didn't agree to a 2.5 G phone which means all Mac tragics would have bought one of them and then upgraded to the 3G phone meaning more units sold in total and a whole lot more people locked into their network for 2 years.
A whole lot of lost revenue that Telstra shareholders should be asking Sol about next time they get a chance.
Now the iPhone looks to be available to all networks.
I'm just pissed off because it means we had to wait a whole year before we got the damn thing!
Why do we keep employing these malodorous morons from the USA?
They keep arrogantly pontificating on all matters telecommunication whilst simultaneously showing amazing antipathy to their customers and Australia as a whole and singular incompetency in all their ventures.
You're an Ass Sol!