10.5.3 Server details; Apple updates; iPhone exclusivity in question

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  • Reply 21 of 39
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,954member
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    Originally Posted by Cubert View Post


    So, you are saying that Safari does not work with 64-bit chips? There is no Safari for a G5 Mac or most of the Intel Macs?



    I think it means that Safari must be a 64 bit program to use the new Java. I wasn't aware that Firefox was available in 64 bit code. Anyway, 64 bit capabilities in a chip is an empty bullet point without software coded to use 64 bit instructions.
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  • Reply 22 of 39
    tbagginstbaggins Posts: 2,306member
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    Originally Posted by AppleInsider


    Apple could break from its current practice of choosing an exclusive carrier when it brings the iPhone south of the US, the Spanish-language business paper Cinco Dias reports.



    The California electronics giant is reportedly having doubts after witnessing poor sales in Europe, which have often seen customers unlock the phones themselves for use on unsanctioned carriers.



    Alleged sources close to negotiations say the company may allow the phone to be sold through multiple providers in Latin American nations. This is likely due to the different cellular service climate in the region, according to the paper: while large carriers like Telefonica Movil dominate in some countries, they only hold on to minority shares in others.



    Future European deals may also see Apple breaking its mould, the report adds. Discussions with Telefonica in Spain have been ongoing for months, while Apple may use Italy as a testbed and include more than just Telecom Italia as a provider.






    /duh

    /about_time

    /yay!





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  • Reply 23 of 39
    macinthe408macinthe408 Posts: 1,050member
    Blackberry users are typically buttoned-up-shirt tightwads who work at companies with a org chart bigger than the government. They usually the middle aged, overworked husband with two children whose wife heads the PTA and whose kids' names, invariably, are Taylor and Jordan. They usually drive a Camry or Taurus, with the wife in the Honda Odyssey or one of those hideously ugly Lexus SUVs. They tend to live close a Safeway and do their bulk shopping at Wal-Mart or Kohl's.



    iPhone users, OTOH, are more carefree, graphic artist types who are tuned to the ergonomics, aesthetics and user interface of the iPhone. They tend to hang out at art galleries and drive Subarus, Volkswagens or Audi A3s. They have a fixed gear bike and had myriad threesomes while in college on the East Coast, or UC Berkeley. They don't own a TV, but, rather, watch their media fix by watching MoveOn.org videos on Democracy Player running on their MacBook Pro. They never shop at the Gap, and have a Razor scooter in the trunk of their car.



    I'm a Blackberry user, BTW, just in case you thought I was dissin' them.
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  • Reply 24 of 39
    mactelmactel Posts: 1,275member
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    Originally Posted by MartiNZ View Post


    Indeed, still eagerly awaiting 10.5.3 - enough with the "within 2 weeks" that we've had for the last two weeks .



    Messenger 7 is interesting - I've just installed and not much seems different. Video ... well there are no visible menu options for it, but searching in the help menu shows that there should be a couple - maybe a corruption from previous version preferences hmmm.





    Good deal! I didn't know Messenger 7.0 was out. Checking it out now.



    Looking forward to 10.5.3 and hoping some new features are in the mix.
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  • Reply 25 of 39
    mdriftmeyermdriftmeyer Posts: 7,503member
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    Originally Posted by noirdesir View Post


    Apple often releases several minor updates a few days before releasing a 'major' update, so the Java update might indicate that 10.5.3 is coming soon (given that there also have been multiple 10.5.3 seeds over the last two weeks), but then again it is just an increased likelihood not a determining condition.



    I worked there and at NeXT. I was being rhetorical.
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  • Reply 26 of 39
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    Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post


    I don't know what MS is thinking by not adding video chatting support to the Messenger! do they think that they can pressure users to switch back to Windows by making their life a more difficult?! Anyway, I am using Messenger on Parallels to chat with my family and friends who don't have a Mac.



    It is almost impossible to find a cross platform chat client the support video and audio chatting these days.



    you know there's skype too. www.skype.com



    And the nice thing about skype is it works wonders when doing international video chats.
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  • Reply 27 of 39
    teckstudteckstud Posts: 6,476member
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    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    Study: iPhone, BlackBerry appeal to very different audiences



    BlackBerry users, by contrast, are said to be conservative and have little to demand.



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    Me thinks it because most Blackberry users don't actually pay for them i.e. don't have any interest in the basics since they've been required to use them for work. And fiscally conservative because their companies own them.

    Most iPhone users are owners and are therefor more interest in how they function- big difference.\
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  • Reply 28 of 39
    ajmasajmas Posts: 604member
    I am a little peeved about Apple Java 6 release. Notably it doesn't support any 32-bit Intel machines. Sure I can code for Java 5, but it is the point of locking out recent computers, since any Intel Mac can't be older than three years.
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  • Reply 29 of 39
    tundraboytundraboy Posts: 1,932member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by macinthe408 View Post


    Blackberry users are typically buttoned-up-shirt tightwads who work at companies with a org chart bigger than the government. They usually the middle aged, overworked husband with two children whose wife heads the PTA and whose kids' names, invariably, are Taylor and Jordan. They usually drive a Camry or Taurus, with the wife in the Honda Odyssey or one of those hideously ugly Lexus SUVs. They tend to live close a Safeway and do their bulk shopping at Wal-Mart or Kohl's.



    iPhone users, OTOH, are more carefree, graphic artist types who are tuned to the ergonomics, aesthetics and user interface of the iPhone. They tend to hang out at art galleries and drive Subarus, Volkswagens or Audi A3s. They have a fixed gear bike and had myriad threesomes while in college on the East Coast, or UC Berkeley. They don't own a TV, but, rather, watch their media fix by watching MoveOn.org videos on Democracy Player running on their MacBook Pro. They never shop at the Gap, and have a Razor scooter in the trunk of their car.



    I'm a Blackberry user, BTW, just in case you thought I was dissin' them.



    Nobody really cares who you are, what you are, and who and what you think other people are. You and your prejudices have as much effect on our lives as the speck of dried phlegm stuck on the tip of a dust mite's smallest limb.
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  • Reply 30 of 39
    hezekiahbhezekiahb Posts: 448member
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    Originally Posted by ajmas View Post


    I am a little peeved about Apple Java 6 release. Notably it doesn't support any 32-bit Intel machines. Sure I can code for Java 5, but it is the point of locking out recent computers, since any Intel Mac can't be older than three years.



    Is this an Apple issue? What does Java 6 bring to the table? If it only brings features utilized by 64-bit systems I don't see how this is Apple's fault or even an issue worth complaining about. It's like complaining that any 64-bit app doesn't work on your 32-bit system. Usually the 64-bit systems add features only able to be supported on 64-bit, that being the case it is pointless to complain about it. Buy a new Mac or live with it, Apple can't help that Intel didn't come out with a 64-bit chip for the first Intel Mac off the line.
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  • Reply 31 of 39
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    Java for Mac OS X 10.5 Update 1



    Also launched is Update 1 for Leopard's Java engine (57MB).



    The upgrade installs Java SE 6 1.6.0_05 for all compatible Macs, bringing them up to date with the more recent codebase. The update doesn't replace J2SE 5 or override earlier Java preferences.



    It's about time!!!! It kills me that apple is 9 months behind the times when it comes to Java. For months upon months the only version of Java5 available for macs was plagued with a known memory leak. Well, I guess the only version of java5 still is, but at least we can use java6 now.
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  • Reply 32 of 39
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ajmas View Post


    I am a little peeved about Apple Java 6 release. Notably it doesn't support any 32-bit Intel machines. Sure I can code for Java 5, but it is the point of locking out recent computers, since any Intel Mac can't be older than three years.



    Older machines still support Java 5, so who cares? Just make your code backwards compatible for a while. I mean, most major industries are still requiring backwards compatibility with Java 1.4, so its not like you're being rapidly forced into a Brave New World of Java.
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  • Reply 33 of 39
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    Originally Posted by imjeffro View Post


    Java 6.0 only works in 64bit browsers. So good for Firefox, useless for Safari.



    so we need a Safari update. Apple was way behind the times on Java, I'm really glad they caught up. Just because Safari doesn't support Java6 doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to develop it on our Macs.
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  • Reply 34 of 39
    leafyleafy Posts: 34member
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    Originally Posted by federmoose View Post


    so we need a Safari update. Apple was way behind the times on Java, I'm really glad they caught up. Just because Safari doesn't support Java6 doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to develop it on our Macs.



    I don't believe I have seen any applet that strictly requires Java 6. The changes in Java 6 are mostly related to desktop applications. Major language improvements (some may disagree) were already in Java 5. If you are developing for Java 6, chances are you aren't developing for the browser context.
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  • Reply 35 of 39
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by leafy View Post


    I don't believe I have seen any applet that strictly requires Java 6. The changes in Java 6 are mostly related to desktop applications. Major language improvements (some may disagree) were already in Java 5. If you are developing for Java 6, chances are you aren't developing for the browser context.



    agreed.
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  • Reply 36 of 39
    res08haores08hao Posts: 114member
    [QUOTE=AppleInsider;1245950]Apple is reportedly winding down updates to its 10.5.3 Server update, AppleInsider has learned. Officially, Apple has released updates for iMac graphics and its Java engine in Leopard, and Microsoft has finally updated Messenger for Macs. Unofficial reports have Apple changing its mind on exclusive carrier deals, and say that iPhone users have very different tastes than BlackBerry owners.



    And most are probably windows using saps used to suffering.
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  • Reply 37 of 39
    -cj--cj- Posts: 58member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by macinthe408 View Post


    Blackberry users are typically buttoned-up-shirt tightwads who work at companies with a org chart bigger than the government. They usually the middle aged, overworked husband with two children whose wife heads the PTA and whose kids' names, invariably, are Taylor and Jordan. They usually drive a Camry or Taurus, with the wife in the Honda Odyssey or one of those hideously ugly Lexus SUVs. They tend to live close a Safeway and do their bulk shopping at Wal-Mart or Kohl's.



    iPhone users, OTOH, are more carefree, graphic artist types who are tuned to the ergonomics, aesthetics and user interface of the iPhone. They tend to hang out at art galleries and drive Subarus, Volkswagens or Audi A3s. They have a fixed gear bike and had myriad threesomes while in college on the East Coast, or UC Berkeley. They don't own a TV, but, rather, watch their media fix by watching MoveOn.org videos on Democracy Player running on their MacBook Pro. They never shop at the Gap, and have a Razor scooter in the trunk of their car.



    I thought this was hilarious. Almost as funny as the line, "BlackBerry users are said to be conservative and have little to demand."
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  • Reply 38 of 39
    l255jl255j Posts: 57member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by macinthe408 View Post


    Blackberry users are typically buttoned-up-shirt tightwads who work at companies with a org chart bigger than the government. They usually the middle aged, overworked husband with two children whose wife heads the PTA and whose kids' names, invariably, are Taylor and Jordan. They usually drive a Camry or Taurus, with the wife in the Honda Odyssey or one of those hideously ugly Lexus SUVs. They tend to live close a Safeway and do their bulk shopping at Wal-Mart or Kohl's.



    iPhone users, OTOH, are more carefree, graphic artist types who are tuned to the ergonomics, aesthetics and user interface of the iPhone. They tend to hang out at art galleries and drive Subarus, Volkswagens or Audi A3s. They have a fixed gear bike and had myriad threesomes while in college on the East Coast, or UC Berkeley. They don't own a TV, but, rather, watch their media fix by watching MoveOn.org videos on Democracy Player running on their MacBook Pro. They never shop at the Gap, and have a Razor scooter in the trunk of their car.



    I'm a Blackberry user, BTW, just in case you thought I was dissin' them.



    *lols @ this*
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  • Reply 39 of 39
    mdriftmeyermdriftmeyer Posts: 7,503member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hezekiahb View Post


    Is this an Apple issue? What does Java 6 bring to the table? If it only brings features utilized by 64-bit systems I don't see how this is Apple's fault or even an issue worth complaining about. It's like complaining that any 64-bit app doesn't work on your 32-bit system. Usually the 64-bit systems add features only able to be supported on 64-bit, that being the case it is pointless to complain about it. Buy a new Mac or live with it, Apple can't help that Intel didn't come out with a 64-bit chip for the first Intel Mac off the line.



    It's a business decision. Moving your entire code base to 64bit only streamlines a lot of your management processes.
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