also, zdnet did scoop this story two years ago, as well, with screenshots, and we all (including me) denounced them as fake. you can still check out the story here...
<strong>also, zdnet did scoop this story two years ago, as well, with screenshots, and we all (including me) denounced them as fake. you can still check out the story here...
newton hadwriting recognition with years of additional work, and gestures built-in... for every mac os x app... this is so friggin cool!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Good find! I remember seeing this but couldn't remember where.
<strong>Now a small subnote where the screen folds right around to become a tablet? That would be something cool and useful. xWide format, like the Sony picturebooks, but istead of conventional opening, the displat flips around (like bending over the spine of a book) to make a tablet surface fo the times when you can't sit down to type.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Acer had a prototype with that feature that was on the cover of PC Magazine a month or so ago. They have a couple of articles linked from Acer's americas home page. The unit weighs 3 pounds and looks pretty spiffy.
[quote]also, zdnet did scoop this story two years ago, as well, with screenshots, and we all (including me) denounced them as fake.<hr></blockquote>
Not all of us.
As for Acer's machine, I've used it and it's not completely terrible other than the fact that XP crashes every 3 minutes on it. It also doesn't 'translate' your handwriting, it just puts it on the screen, and the pen doesn't have a way to 'right click' or easily double click. Very inconvenient.
As for Acer's machine, I've used it and it's not completely terrible other than the fact that XP crashes every 3 minutes on it. It also doesn't 'translate' your handwriting, it just puts it on the screen, and the pen doesn't have a way to 'right click' or easily double click. Very inconvenient.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I figured as much, but I am intrigued by the form factor. I could see the iBook becoming such an animal if Apple decided to do that.
Steve Jobs mentioned but chose not to discuss Inkwell at the last MacWorld. Given the concensus here, it seems unlikely Inkwell is to be accompanied by any new PDA device in the near future. Does anyone know of an OS X graphic tablet? Or Apple plans for one? What good then is Inkwell? What I am getting from this discussion is that only the Trackpad seeps a possibility.
Does anyone know for sure whether or not the present trackpad is capable of access for imput of shapes by pen? If not, surely one could be added to the system as an addition to an inpensive keyboard .
If this is possible, then contemplate the cash Apple could make in China or Japan. You write a Chinese character with a particular stroke order [top to bottom, left to right, the same way every time ] which could be used to suggest characters as strokes are added and really speed up the process. You can scribble quite a bit before finishing a sentence in Chinese in formal Chinese. Also, This could be toggled to allow use of the special simplfied characters also used in Chinese and in Japanese and Korean.
It could be useful for alphabet languages too, in the case where you are jotting phone or conference notes. While it might at first seem a bit odd to be writing letters on top of one another, you could see the words on the screen immediately and make corrections as you scribble, toggles for drawings of course.
Yes Inkwell is very interesting. But imagine how interesting it would be if all Apple laptops running 10.2 all of a sudden could recognize pen input! Signatures, art, WOO HOO! :eek: It would have to be a special pen, as pointed out. Programmer, anyone, how do trackpads work? I was guessing electrostatic discharge... <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
Yup, trackpads are sensative to electricity. Try taking your USB cord connected to your mouse, printer etc.... and touch the trackpad....only with the rubber on the wire...it works!!!
Mac OS X's Inkwell, does this mean we will see a stylus equipped iBook? After all, the iBook is a succesor to the eMate, which capable of accepting both keyboard and stylus.
Besides, one of the iBook's markets is education (school), and kids loves using a stylus to draw and write things. And also, if you combined touch screen device and a iMac, people could write things without a keyboard, a nice feature for an electronic kiosk type applications.
Touchpads use a principle called coupling capacitance, and requires a conductive pointer such as a finger. They contain a two-layer grid of electrodes which are connected to an integrated circuit (IC) mounted under the pad. The upper layer contains vertical electrode strips while the lower layer is composed of horizontal electrode strips. Capacitance from each of the horizontal electrodes to each of the vertical electrodes is measured by the IC. A finger near the intersection of two electrodes modifies the capacitance between them, since a finger has very different dielectric properties than air. The position of the finger is precisely determined based on these changes at various locations.
inkwell is only the translation software that will allow yr handwritten notes to be dumped into computer fonts. period.
long before tablets become common, we will be using our bluetooth capable mac to receive our handwritten notes that are written with the new bluetooth capable pens that send the data to the mac (or the P800 fon...).
you will be in a meeting, writing with yr bluetooth pen, and press the send button on the pen, sending yr message to everyone in yr pan, to their iBooks, their Palms, their P800s.
apple is great at putting together bits of programs and making it user friendly. iTunes, iPod, iPhoto, all are just nice and easy to use.
same with inkwell and the suite of other apps that apple will use to put it all together in one neat application.
we dont carry graphics tablets around with us. we do,or rather, will be carrying bluetooh capable pens around.
As I predicted a good while back. Such beasts already exist and will be available from 3rd parties within the year. Not on specialized paper either. Priced between 80-140 USD.
How would such Bluetooth-enabled pens be powered? solar? or wind?
MY cell phone is always low on charge when I really need it - methinks it wouldn't be any different with such a pen... now, if power could be transferred wirelessly!
Having said that, the BT pen is a far more sensible proposition than using the tiny space offered by a touchpad - not to mention the awkward hand positioning it would demand.
I still see the addition of InkWell as SJ's method of icing the cake - giving glitz to a seriously empowered update (most of the improvements of which are under-the-hood and thus not as sell-apple as "Wow, I can write my CLI commands by hand!"). The ol' fox (eh, jagwire?) knows how to touch your mind and your wallet! :-)
<strong>How would such Bluetooth-enabled pens be powered? solar? or wind?
MY cell phone is always low on charge when I really need it - methinks it wouldn't be any different with such a pen... now, if power could be transferred wirelessly!
I'm not sure how the spammer chose this thread to bump, but its pretty interesting reading these old pre-iOS comments. If you were to mention hand writing recognition today, I doubt many people would begin thinking about Mac-oriented applications of it.
I got a kick out of this; it kinda struck me as a "flying cars" type of prediction. LOL
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dont think tablets.
inkwell is only the translation software that will allow yr handwritten notes to be dumped into computer fonts. period.
long before tablets become common, we will be using our bluetooth capable mac to receive our handwritten notes that are written with the new bluetooth capable pens that send the data to the mac (or the P800 fon...).
you will be in a meeting, writing with yr bluetooth pen, and press the send button on the pen, sending yr message to everyone in yr pan, to their iBooks, their Palms, their P800s.
apple is great at putting together bits of programs and making it user friendly. iTunes, iPod, iPhoto, all are just nice and easy to use.
same with inkwell and the suite of other apps that apple will use to put it all together in one neat application.
we dont carry graphics tablets around with us. we do,or rather, will be carrying bluetooh capable pens around.
I'm not sure how the spammer chose this thread to bump, but its pretty interesting reading these old pre-iOS comments. If you were to mention hand writing recognition today, I doubt many people would begin thinking about Mac-oriented applications of it.
I got a kick out of this; it kinda struck me as a "flying cars" type of prediction. LOL
I've noticed that odd phenomenon of spammers reviving old threads, too. But it's always amusing and nostalgic.
Look at all the old names... Well as I sit here looking at my huge trackpad on my MacBook Pro (2010 release) I am wondering what the status is. We still can't use it for Inkwell like a tablet, right? Does anyone know if there is a "hack" to do it? I mean the trackpad is just huge. It's really great for gestures and all but it would be so cool to use it to scribble stuff. In fact, it could even be used to take notes in class. As you write, it scrolls sideways on the screen in a little popup magnifier window. Since folks back in the day responded it needs electric charge, I suppose it would require a stylus. Or maybe it could be smart enough to use the finger. Perhaps the stylus could tuck away into the side of the case or something. Thoughts?
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newton hadwriting recognition with years of additional work, and gestures built-in... for every mac os x app... this is so friggin cool!
<strong>also, zdnet did scoop this story two years ago, as well, with screenshots, and we all (including me) denounced them as fake. you can still check out the story here...
<a href="http://zdnet.com.com/2100-11-522507.html?legacy=zdnn"; target="_blank">http://zdnet.com.com/2100-11-522507.html?legacy=zdnn</a>;
newton hadwriting recognition with years of additional work, and gestures built-in... for every mac os x app... this is so friggin cool!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Good find! I remember seeing this but couldn't remember where.
<strong>Now a small subnote where the screen folds right around to become a tablet? That would be something cool and useful. xWide format, like the Sony picturebooks, but istead of conventional opening, the displat flips around (like bending over the spine of a book) to make a tablet surface fo the times when you can't sit down to type.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Acer had a prototype with that feature that was on the cover of PC Magazine a month or so ago. They have a couple of articles linked from Acer's americas home page. The unit weighs 3 pounds and looks pretty spiffy.
Not all of us.
As for Acer's machine, I've used it and it's not completely terrible other than the fact that XP crashes every 3 minutes on it. It also doesn't 'translate' your handwriting, it just puts it on the screen, and the pen doesn't have a way to 'right click' or easily double click. Very inconvenient.
<strong>
As for Acer's machine, I've used it and it's not completely terrible other than the fact that XP crashes every 3 minutes on it. It also doesn't 'translate' your handwriting, it just puts it on the screen, and the pen doesn't have a way to 'right click' or easily double click. Very inconvenient.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I figured as much, but I am intrigued by the form factor. I could see the iBook becoming such an animal if Apple decided to do that.
Does anyone know for sure whether or not the present trackpad is capable of access for imput of shapes by pen? If not, surely one could be added to the system as an addition to an inpensive keyboard .
If this is possible, then contemplate the cash Apple could make in China or Japan. You write a Chinese character with a particular stroke order [top to bottom, left to right, the same way every time ] which could be used to suggest characters as strokes are added and really speed up the process. You can scribble quite a bit before finishing a sentence in Chinese in formal Chinese. Also, This could be toggled to allow use of the special simplfied characters also used in Chinese and in Japanese and Korean.
It could be useful for alphabet languages too, in the case where you are jotting phone or conference notes. While it might at first seem a bit odd to be writing letters on top of one another, you could see the words on the screen immediately and make corrections as you scribble, toggles for drawings of course.
If not, why not?
Sure, I'm using a Wacom Graphire in OS X right now.
Besides, one of the iBook's markets is education (school), and kids loves using a stylus to draw and write things. And also, if you combined touch screen device and a iMac, people could write things without a keyboard, a nice feature for an electronic kiosk type applications.
Touchpads use a principle called coupling capacitance, and requires a conductive pointer such as a finger. They contain a two-layer grid of electrodes which are connected to an integrated circuit (IC) mounted under the pad. The upper layer contains vertical electrode strips while the lower layer is composed of horizontal electrode strips. Capacitance from each of the horizontal electrodes to each of the vertical electrodes is measured by the IC. A finger near the intersection of two electrodes modifies the capacitance between them, since a finger has very different dielectric properties than air. The position of the finger is precisely determined based on these changes at various locations.
inkwell is only the translation software that will allow yr handwritten notes to be dumped into computer fonts. period.
long before tablets become common, we will be using our bluetooth capable mac to receive our handwritten notes that are written with the new bluetooth capable pens that send the data to the mac (or the P800 fon...).
you will be in a meeting, writing with yr bluetooth pen, and press the send button on the pen, sending yr message to everyone in yr pan, to their iBooks, their Palms, their P800s.
apple is great at putting together bits of programs and making it user friendly. iTunes, iPod, iPhoto, all are just nice and easy to use.
same with inkwell and the suite of other apps that apple will use to put it all together in one neat application.
we dont carry graphics tablets around with us. we do,or rather, will be carrying bluetooh capable pens around.
[ 08-11-2002: Message edited by: niji ]</p>
MY cell phone is always low on charge when I really need it - methinks it wouldn't be any different with such a pen... now, if power could be transferred wirelessly!
Having said that, the BT pen is a far more sensible proposition than using the tiny space offered by a touchpad - not to mention the awkward hand positioning it would demand.
I still see the addition of InkWell as SJ's method of icing the cake - giving glitz to a seriously empowered update (most of the improvements of which are under-the-hood and thus not as sell-apple as "Wow, I can write my CLI commands by hand!"). The ol' fox (eh, jagwire?) knows how to touch your mind and your wallet! :-)
engpjp
<strong>How would such Bluetooth-enabled pens be powered? solar? or wind?
MY cell phone is always low on charge when I really need it - methinks it wouldn't be any different with such a pen... now, if power could be transferred wirelessly!
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Bluetooth pen with a <a href="http://www.braincourse.com/wirelessa.html"; target="_blank">Tesla Coil!</a>
[ 08-10-2002: Message edited by: Blizaine ]</p>
I got a kick out of this; it kinda struck me as a "flying cars" type of prediction. LOL
dont think tablets.
inkwell is only the translation software that will allow yr handwritten notes to be dumped into computer fonts. period.
long before tablets become common, we will be using our bluetooth capable mac to receive our handwritten notes that are written with the new bluetooth capable pens that send the data to the mac (or the P800 fon...).
you will be in a meeting, writing with yr bluetooth pen, and press the send button on the pen, sending yr message to everyone in yr pan, to their iBooks, their Palms, their P800s.
apple is great at putting together bits of programs and making it user friendly. iTunes, iPod, iPhoto, all are just nice and easy to use.
same with inkwell and the suite of other apps that apple will use to put it all together in one neat application.
we dont carry graphics tablets around with us. we do,or rather, will be carrying bluetooh capable pens around.
I'm not sure how the spammer chose this thread to bump, but its pretty interesting reading these old pre-iOS comments. If you were to mention hand writing recognition today, I doubt many people would begin thinking about Mac-oriented applications of it.
I got a kick out of this; it kinda struck me as a "flying cars" type of prediction. LOL
I've noticed that odd phenomenon of spammers reviving old threads, too. But it's always amusing and nostalgic.
Look at all the old names... Well as I sit here looking at my huge trackpad on my MacBook Pro (2010 release) I am wondering what the status is. We still can't use it for Inkwell like a tablet, right? Does anyone know if there is a "hack" to do it? I mean the trackpad is just huge. It's really great for gestures and all but it would be so cool to use it to scribble stuff. In fact, it could even be used to take notes in class. As you write, it scrolls sideways on the screen in a little popup magnifier window. Since folks back in the day responded it needs electric charge, I suppose it would require a stylus. Or maybe it could be smart enough to use the finger. Perhaps the stylus could tuck away into the side of the case or something. Thoughts?