Apple expected to announce new movie sales in iTunes

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  • Reply 21 of 33
    gizmo2k2kgizmo2k2k Posts: 17member
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    and mini studios to offer many new movie releases, including a broad slate of top-shelf films



    over 20 posts and no one's mentioned apple is going to be selling porn
  • Reply 22 of 33
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    Originally Posted by GQB View Post


    Sorry, but...



    "Enter BitTorrent. An hour and half later, I had my consumer desired fulfilled, and two companies (at least) lost the opportunity to make some money."



    He stole it, even if its just a 'viewing' that he stole. Doesn't matter if its 'doom and gloom'.



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    Say you're Wal-mart and see the DVD for Stargate on sale for $10. You want it but don't think it's worth that price so you shove it in your coat and shoplift it from the store. What's different about this scenario and what you did?



    I think a better analogy is:



    Say you're in Blockbuster Video and see the DVD for Stargate for rent for $4. You want it but don't think it's worth that price so you shove it in your coat and shoplift it from the store. A few days later you sneak it back into the store and put it back on the shelf.



    You stole a service but the store itself is none the worse for it. Still bad but I think it's a distinct difference.
  • Reply 23 of 33
    palegolaspalegolas Posts: 1,276member
    What's sad is that it's so hard for Apple to make the movie services available internationally. It's been like one and a half year or something now since movies was introduced on iTunes. If the history of the music service helps to estimate the future availability of the movie service then here's a recap:



    Day 1: April 2003 US release of iTunes Music Store.

    14 months later: June 2004 first international stores. France, Germany and the UK.

    18 months: October 2004, most of europe

    25 months: May 2005 scandinavia, yeey <-- my territory

    ...



    I don't know why I'm spending all this time on this... maybe because I'd like to see the damn movie rentals available over here. So where are we on the movie service? We're at the point where the first none US movie/TV-shows deals are starting to show up, right? Perhaps not so different schedule from the music business after all...
  • Reply 24 of 33
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,946member
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    Originally Posted by djames42 View Post


    Current iTunes movies (those purchased) are 480p (slightly better than DVD which is effectively 480i, although much of that is diminished by the higher bitrate of a DVD).



    The DVD format is actually more complicated than that. The basic standard is 480i, but most DVDs of theatrical movies are encoded (flagged) in such a way that it's pretty easy for any player to pull out a 480p image without any hard work. Pretty much all "big studio" movie DVDs are that way. Most TV series DVDs on the other hand, don't seem to be that way, but many of them are encoded for easy 480p playback. The DVDs that aren't flagged for 480p do need a special deinterlacer routine or chip, and doing it well is hard.
  • Reply 25 of 33
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,946member
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    Originally Posted by gizmo2k2k View Post


    over 20 posts and no one's mentioned apple is going to be selling porn



    Maybe we didn't understand it that way? It can mean that, but I think it can also mean the better movies. I didn't see any studios or movies listed that suggest to me that porn is going to be sold. It's possible the AI writers weren't aware of that possible connotation when writing the story.
  • Reply 26 of 33
    pairof9spairof9s Posts: 67member
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    Originally Posted by federmoose View Post


    No physical distribution (which costs more money than a file) was stolen. You're completely off the mark here. Plus, he deleted the file I'm sure, so its the effect of shoplifting, then coming to put it back. Granted, its not great, but its not the black-and-while scenario you just put forth.



    It's not the physical DVD disk that is the property stolen, it's the movie viewing. However you do it, whether sneaking into a movie theater, lifting a DVD at Blockbuster, or in this case, downloading a pirated DVD via bittorrent, you've stolen the rights to watch that movie...you might want to thoroughly read the copyright warning before each movie to see that this is the case.



    And deleting the file is not the same as taking a shoplifted DVD back, it's the same as throwing it in your trash can. As stated above, the value of the item has already compromised upon viewing, not in the physical cost of a plastic DVD disk and case. It's like stealing a pie from a store, eating it, then returning the tray to the store...you've consumed what's really of value.



    In any case, I doubt anyone is going to be happy to see you return an item you stole from them. Then you're not only a thief but an idiot, too!



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  • Reply 27 of 33
    gizmo2k2kgizmo2k2k Posts: 17member
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    but I think it can also mean the better movies



    oh crap, you're probably right
  • Reply 28 of 33
    federmoosefedermoose Posts: 195member
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    Originally Posted by pairof9s View Post


    It's not the physical DVD disk that is the property stolen, it's the movie viewing. However you do it, whether sneaking into a movie theater, lifting a DVD at Blockbuster, or in this case, downloading a pirated DVD via bittorrent, you've stolen the rights to watch that movie...you might want to thoroughly read the copyright warning before each movie to see that this is the case.



    And deleting the file is not the same as taking a shoplifted DVD back, it's the same as throwing it in your trash can. As stated above, the value of the item has already compromised upon viewing, not in the physical cost of a plastic DVD disk and case. It's like stealing a pie from a store, eating it, then returning the tray to the store...you've consumed what's really of value.



    In any case, I doubt anyone is going to be happy to see you return an item you stole from them. Then you're not only a thief but an idiot, too!



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    Granted on the last ("idiot, too") point. But You analogy is still flawed. The DVD is not thrown away, because if you return it others can still view it. It's not like blockbuster only rents a movie once, so if you steal one view of the movie, its not like the DVD is worthless.

    and again, granted on the copyright warning. nevertheless, your analogy is an overstatement.



    can we get a copyright/properties lawyer in on this discussion? cause otherwise I think we're in a deadlock.
  • Reply 29 of 33
    gqbgqb Posts: 1,934member
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    Originally Posted by federmoose View Post


    Granted on the last ("idiot, too") point. But You analogy is still flawed. The DVD is not thrown away, because if you return it others can still view it. It's not like blockbuster only rents a movie once, so if you steal one view of the movie, its not like the DVD is worthless.

    and again, granted on the copyright warning. nevertheless, your analogy is an overstatement.



    can we get a copyright/properties lawyer in on this discussion? cause otherwise I think we're in a deadlock.



    It doesn't take a lawyer to know that downloading copyrighted bits without compensating the owner is wrong. Perhaps the professional to be consulted may be a moral advisor.



    But easier yet, try this...

    Look your 10-year-old in the face and tell them its wrong to steal when they come back at you with "But Dad!... you rip DVDs you've rented for your collection! Isn't that stealing too?"

    I subjected myself to that exactly once, then let my daughter watch as I deleted the files.



    Try it.
  • Reply 30 of 33
    penchantedpenchanted Posts: 1,070member
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    Originally Posted by federmoose View Post


    Granted on the last ("idiot, too") point. But You analogy is still flawed. The DVD is not thrown away, because if you return it others can still view it. It's not like blockbuster only rents a movie once, so if you steal one view of the movie, its not like the DVD is worthless.

    and again, granted on the copyright warning. nevertheless, your analogy is an overstatement.



    can we get a copyright/properties lawyer in on this discussion? cause otherwise I think we're in a deadlock.



    There is no deadlock.



    As others have stated, the real value (the viewing of the movie) was stolen. People don't go to Blockbuster thinking they are going to rent some plastic disc, they go to rent the entertainment that is on the disc.
  • Reply 31 of 33
    federmoosefedermoose Posts: 195member
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    Originally Posted by penchanted View Post


    There is no deadlock.



    As others have stated, the real value (the viewing of the movie) was stolen. People don't go to Blockbuster thinking they are going to rent some plastic disc, they go to rent the entertainment that is on the disc.



    the deadlock was relating to the severity of the crime. stealing is stealing (and I hear you on the daughter aspect, but as a college student those years are a tad ahead of me), but the analogy is a tad more malicious/damaging than I believe it should be.



    and I'm not saying they are renting a plastic disk, I'm saying that one person ripping the value is ripping the value of one person watching it, not the value of the DVD.

    that's like saying if someone steals a physical DVD, the movie no longer has any value.
  • Reply 32 of 33
    pairof9spairof9s Posts: 67member
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    Originally Posted by federmoose View Post


    the deadlock was relating to the severity of the crime. stealing is stealing (and I hear you on the daughter aspect, but as a college student those years are a tad ahead of me), but the analogy is a tad more malicious/damaging than I believe it should be.



    and I'm not saying they are renting a plastic disk, I'm saying that one person ripping the value is ripping the value of one person watching it, not the value of the DVD.

    that's like saying if someone steals a physical DVD, the movie no longer has any value.



    Only that someone who rips the DVD and/or downloads it from bittorrent, can then themselves burn DVDs to give to others (e.g. - Chinese black market), so once again a DVD on disk has no bearing in the argument. That's the point that is trying to be made...the medium the movie is viewed upon is irrelevant to the crime, it's the watching the movie without compensating those who produced it that is the crime.



    Once again, I refer you to the extensive movie copyright warning shown before any major studio movie. It clearly states its rights without distinguishing a medium or the relevance of such a medium to the crime's severity.



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  • Reply 33 of 33
    Digital downloads usually lack the details of the DVD. Rarely do they come closecaptioned, except when foreign movies are subtitled. This is a snub for those ipdiots whose ears have been blown, not to mention other deaf and hardofhearing folks -- numbers are growing exponentially as ipodiots age.
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