Honestly, if he was saying, "Nyah, nyah, Macs sucks, PCs rule" or some other vomit, I'd be the first to have the admin delete the post, or I'd be dropping the flame bombs. But he isn't doing that.
He wants cheaper Macs. I think he said fairly obnoxiously, but that's pretty common on AI.
If he says something like "Macs are worthless" or crosses over into well-worn troll territory, I'll happily hop on over to your side of the fence and call him out as a troll, if I'm around.
What a stupid recommendation. It would be valid if the difference between the top and base models were only CPU clockspeed, but it isn't. Larger and much better LCD panel, larger hard-drive, more (base) RAM and much better graphics are all very good reasons to get a 24" instead of a 20".
Oh no, most Macs in the install base and all new Macs can easily play HD media. The problem lies with consumers thinking they can easily and quickly move these files to their iDevices like other audio and video so they pay for the more expensive HD media and then realize when it's too late that they can't move these over. Then they blame Apple. If I were at Apple i'd rather not give the option at all.
Of course, the whole idea of purchasing HD media from iTS could be with the studios wanting more control.
I think sometimes we forget that the average computer user is not that savvy, and I want to quash that idea because no man is an island, like Australia.
It can be converted to play on an iphone/ipod, as a matter of fact quicktime will export that for a user if I understandc the issue right. So it's not that you're stuck with something that can't be played on the iPod, it just needs to be automatically converted.
It can be converted to play on an iphone/ipod, as a matter of fact quicktime will export that for a user if I understandc the issue right. So it's not that you're stuck with something that can't be played on the iPod, it just needs to be automatically converted.
There is no option to rent I'd buy HD media from iTS so there is no matter of fact about it. There is an option built into iTunes to convert to iPod but this also converts to codecs that iDevices can play as iTunes can play video from any codecs so long as you have the correct codecs in QT and it's encapsulated in a .MOV.
Any purchased video from iTS can be played in any video-capable iDevice. Even the new DVD-quality movies that exceed the spec ratings in both bit rate and resolution. So no conversion is needed, just syncing. However, at this point all the devices Apple sells can't play HD video with 720p @ 5Mb/s. This conversion would not be fast; now think about those cheap PCs running iTunes. How fast I'd average computer being used (not being sold)? What you purchased an HD movie you love from iTS for a higher price than the SD version and found you couldn't easily put it on your iPod for a trip you were about to embark on? You couldn't add it without converting it first. This isn't a quick process like with audio. Perhaps when the iPod gets faster and HW accelerted H.264 en/decoding are able to make quick work of it.
However, at this point all the devices Apple sells can't play HD video with 720p @ 5Mb/s. This conversion would not be fast; now think about those cheap PCs running iTunes. .
The AVC (mpeg4-10, h264) standards group is working on a way of extracting a low res version from a high res movie.
Much like Apple's pro codec, if something is being played at high res it builds the picture by using a combination of the low res information with the higher resolution information. On a lesser device it can just extract the low res information and use that.
I imagine the resulting file is slightly bigger than a regular HD-only file, but it's smaller than the size of the low & high-res combined.
Allowing direct purchase makes the Apple TV more useful as a stand-alone device, but purchases could run into storage limitations. Xbox Live allows unlimited re-downloading of purchased content to mitigate that but that has not been iTunes' policy.
Yeah, it's time for the virtual library. All the films and songs you've purchased, accessible from any of your 5 authorised machines. (Of course, if you want to watch a movie on your computer that is already downloaded to your AppleTV, I hope it would copy it across your local network rather than re-download.)
It's a step on the way to my dream - sit at any Mac in the world and put in my .Mac ID, and have all my email, desktop, files, applications, music, etc at my fingertips. No need to backup ever again (but you can if you want) since a dead machine or hard disk is simply replaced and reloads its data. Similar settings to IMAP email of course - "dont keep copies of any files", "only files I've accessed", "all file lists (but omit files)", or "all files". Perfect. Oh.. add something like "up to 5GB locally cached"
The AVC (mpeg4-10, h264) standards group is working on a way of extracting a low res version from a high res movie.
Much like Apple's pro codec, if something is being played at high res it builds the picture by using a combination of the low res information with the higher resolution information. On a lesser device it can just extract the low res information and use that.
I imagine the resulting file is slightly bigger than a regular HD-only file, but it's smaller than the size of the low & high-res combined.
Unless Apple will also allow the option of DLing an iPod optimized copy with your HD purchase then that sounds like a great compromise.
There is no option to rent I'd buy HD media from iTS so there is no matter of fact about it. There is an option built into iTunes to convert to iPod but this also converts to codecs that iDevices can play as iTunes can play video from any codecs so long as you have the correct codecs in QT and it's encapsulated in a .MOV.
The mater of fact about it is that quicktime can convert HD content into the correct format for ipods, iphones, apple tv etc.. That is a fact. The fact that they don't rent HD material is the heart of the discussion, your point was that it can't be played on an iDevice, my point was it clearly could be exported to do so.
The mater of fact about it is that quicktime can convert HD content into the correct format for ipods, iphones, apple tv etc.. That is a fact. The fact that they don't rent HD material is the heart of the discussion, your point was that it can't be played on an iDevice, my point was it clearly could be exported to do so.
I stated that Tunes HAS this capability but that it's NOT convenient for the average user to convert every HD video that is purchased just to play on their iPod as it's not common knowledge the limitations of iDevices. Do you think it's acceptable to selling HD content to users and then have the wait 2 hours while their video is down-converted to fit on their iPod? Not exactly the "it just works" mantra Apple tries to convey.
Jesus F@#king Christ! What part of my comment that stated iTunes HAS this capability but that it's NOT convenient for the average user did you not understand? Do you think it's acceptable to selling HD content to users and then have the wait 2 hours while their video is down-converted to fit on their iPod? Not exactly the "it just works" mantra Apple tries to convey.
The part where you said
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There is no option to rent I'd buy HD media from iTS so there is no matter of fact about it.
Implied that you didn't fully understand what I meant by my post.
Implied that you didn't fully understand what I meant by my post.
You said it was a matter of fact. I stated that since their is no option to rent or buy HD media from iTS on your computer that there is no matter of fact since it isn't possible.
In a previous post I stated,"[Most] Macs can easily play HD media. The problem lies with consumers thinking they can easily and quickly move these files to their iDevices like other audio and video so they pay for the more expensive HD media and then realize when it's too late that they can't move these over."
The following sentence that you quoted above started:,"There is an option built into iTunes to convert to iPod..." I should have added "There is an option built into iTunes to convert [any video to fit the] iPod..."
I was typing on my iPhone and so there are some extra errors in the sentence you quoted. For instance 'I'd' should be 'or', but that change the meaning
Anyway, I'm grumpy this afternoon so I should probably get off these boards for awhile. Sorry to be a be arse, I've had a trying day.
Oh no, most Macs in the install base and all new Macs can easily play HD media. The problem lies with consumers thinking they can easily and quickly move these files to their iDevices like other audio and video so they pay for the more expensive HD media and then realize when it's too late that they can't move these over. Then they blame Apple. If I were at Apple i'd rather not give the option at all.
Of course, the whole idea of purchasing HD media from iTS could be with the studios wanting more control.
I think sometimes we forget that the average computer user is not that savvy, and I want to quash that idea because no man is an island, like Australia.
I was just kidding you, of course. But the point was valid. Apple only allows rental of HD movies through ATv. Why? Most of us can easily view HD through our Macs. So why can't we rent them through our Macs?
Since Apple can tell if our computer can view them through our connection, there shouldn't be a problem there.
As for the idevices, Hd movies could easily be prevented from installing on them.
I was just kidding you, of course. But the point was valid. Apple only allows rental of HD movies through ATv. Why? Most of us can easily view HD through our Macs. So why can't we rent them through our Macs?
Since Apple can tell if our computer can view them through our connection, there shouldn't be a problem there.
As for the idevices, Hd movies could easily be prevented from installing on them.
I don't see the problem.
It must be more than that.
I think it's due to HDCP. I assume the HDMI output of the AppleTV has High Def Copy Protection. So you can't record the Digital Video signal directly. Since Macs have a DVI port (same as HDMI, but without copy protection or sound), the studios might be worried that we would copy via that port.
Perhaps Apple is able to disable the DVI port of laptops & iMacs for High Def movies. Of course, I see little point in a high def movie if I have to watch it on my computer screen.
You said it was a matter of fact. I stated that since their is no option to rent or buy HD media from iTS on your computer that there is no matter of fact since it isn't possible.
In a previous post I stated,"[Most] Macs can easily play HD media. The problem lies with consumers thinking they can easily and quickly move these files to their iDevices like other audio and video so they pay for the more expensive HD media and then realize when it's too late that they can't move these over."
The following sentence that you quoted above started:,"There is an option built into iTunes to convert to iPod..." I should have added "There is an option built into iTunes to convert [any video to fit the] iPod..."
I was typing on my iPhone and so there are some extra errors in the sentence you quoted. For instance 'I'd' should be 'or', but that change the meaning
Anyway, I'm grumpy this afternoon so I should probably get off these boards for awhile. Sorry to be a be arse, I've had a trying day.
I'm not thin skinned, no problem... Hopefully they will come up with a way that will solve it, whether it be with the studios or a way to offer it converted etc...
Of course, I see little point in a high def movie if I have to watch it on my computer screen.
Look for HDMI on future macs.
I used to say the same thing until I viewed HDTV and Standard TV on my 24" iMac. The difference in my experience was drastic. Close up or far away, much better viewing experience.
I used to say the same thing until I viewed HDTV and Standard TV on my 24" iMac. The difference in my experience was drastic. Close up or far away, much better viewing experience.
Yeah... I almost made that proviso in my comment... :-)
Still, Mac Mini's as media centres wouldn't work, and my MBP is too small for it to be worth it.
Australia isn't an island - it's a continent. Around the size of the US actually. Calling the Land Down Under an island is, to the Aussies, like saying that the Mac is a Windows based computer. I know - I'm married to one.
Actually it is an island and a continent. And we like being an island.
I think it's due to HDCP. I assume the HDMI output of the AppleTV has High Def Copy Protection. So you can't record the Digital Video signal directly. Since Macs have a DVI port (same as HDMI, but without copy protection or sound), the studios might be worried that we would copy via that port.
Perhaps Apple is able to disable the DVI port of laptops & iMacs for High Def movies. Of course, I see little point in a high def movie if I have to watch it on my computer screen.
Look for HDMI on future macs.
That's only valid for 1080p uncompressed files. It's not a problem for the files being offered on iTunes.
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Is it trolling to have an opinion?
Honestly, if he was saying, "Nyah, nyah, Macs sucks, PCs rule" or some other vomit, I'd be the first to have the admin delete the post, or I'd be dropping the flame bombs. But he isn't doing that.
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So, what do you think he was saying?
So, what do you think he was saying?
He wants cheaper Macs. I think he said fairly obnoxiously, but that's pretty common on AI.
If he says something like "Macs are worthless" or crosses over into well-worn troll territory, I'll happily hop on over to your side of the fence and call him out as a troll, if I'm around.
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'Cause I live in a city with great reception (actually, its been rated independently the most "livable" city in the world :P)
That's gotta be Perth. I lived in Duncraig for 8 years in the 70's & 80's and loved it.
You'll get your iPhone before too long. We just take our time sending stuff to Australia because of what you did to us in the America's Cup.
Oh no, most Macs in the install base and all new Macs can easily play HD media. The problem lies with consumers thinking they can easily and quickly move these files to their iDevices like other audio and video so they pay for the more expensive HD media and then realize when it's too late that they can't move these over. Then they blame Apple. If I were at Apple i'd rather not give the option at all.
Of course, the whole idea of purchasing HD media from iTS could be with the studios wanting more control.
I think sometimes we forget that the average computer user is not that savvy, and I want to quash that idea because no man is an island, like Australia.
It can be converted to play on an iphone/ipod, as a matter of fact quicktime will export that for a user if I understandc the issue right. So it's not that you're stuck with something that can't be played on the iPod, it just needs to be automatically converted.
It can be converted to play on an iphone/ipod, as a matter of fact quicktime will export that for a user if I understandc the issue right. So it's not that you're stuck with something that can't be played on the iPod, it just needs to be automatically converted.
There is no option to rent I'd buy HD media from iTS so there is no matter of fact about it. There is an option built into iTunes to convert to iPod but this also converts to codecs that iDevices can play as iTunes can play video from any codecs so long as you have the correct codecs in QT and it's encapsulated in a .MOV.
Any purchased video from iTS can be played in any video-capable iDevice. Even the new DVD-quality movies that exceed the spec ratings in both bit rate and resolution. So no conversion is needed, just syncing. However, at this point all the devices Apple sells can't play HD video with 720p @ 5Mb/s. This conversion would not be fast; now think about those cheap PCs running iTunes. How fast I'd average computer being used (not being sold)? What you purchased an HD movie you love from iTS for a higher price than the SD version and found you couldn't easily put it on your iPod for a trip you were about to embark on? You couldn't add it without converting it first. This isn't a quick process like with audio. Perhaps when the iPod gets faster and HW accelerted H.264 en/decoding are able to make quick work of it.
However, at this point all the devices Apple sells can't play HD video with 720p @ 5Mb/s. This conversion would not be fast; now think about those cheap PCs running iTunes. .
The AVC (mpeg4-10, h264) standards group is working on a way of extracting a low res version from a high res movie.
Much like Apple's pro codec, if something is being played at high res it builds the picture by using a combination of the low res information with the higher resolution information. On a lesser device it can just extract the low res information and use that.
I imagine the resulting file is slightly bigger than a regular HD-only file, but it's smaller than the size of the low & high-res combined.
Allowing direct purchase makes the Apple TV more useful as a stand-alone device, but purchases could run into storage limitations. Xbox Live allows unlimited re-downloading of purchased content to mitigate that but that has not been iTunes' policy.
Yeah, it's time for the virtual library. All the films and songs you've purchased, accessible from any of your 5 authorised machines. (Of course, if you want to watch a movie on your computer that is already downloaded to your AppleTV, I hope it would copy it across your local network rather than re-download.)
It's a step on the way to my dream - sit at any Mac in the world and put in my .Mac ID, and have all my email, desktop, files, applications, music, etc at my fingertips. No need to backup ever again (but you can if you want) since a dead machine or hard disk is simply replaced and reloads its data. Similar settings to IMAP email of course - "dont keep copies of any files", "only files I've accessed", "all file lists (but omit files)", or "all files". Perfect. Oh.. add something like "up to 5GB locally cached"
The AVC (mpeg4-10, h264) standards group is working on a way of extracting a low res version from a high res movie.
Much like Apple's pro codec, if something is being played at high res it builds the picture by using a combination of the low res information with the higher resolution information. On a lesser device it can just extract the low res information and use that.
I imagine the resulting file is slightly bigger than a regular HD-only file, but it's smaller than the size of the low & high-res combined.
Unless Apple will also allow the option of DLing an iPod optimized copy with your HD purchase then that sounds like a great compromise.
There is no option to rent I'd buy HD media from iTS so there is no matter of fact about it. There is an option built into iTunes to convert to iPod but this also converts to codecs that iDevices can play as iTunes can play video from any codecs so long as you have the correct codecs in QT and it's encapsulated in a .MOV.
The mater of fact about it is that quicktime can convert HD content into the correct format for ipods, iphones, apple tv etc.. That is a fact. The fact that they don't rent HD material is the heart of the discussion, your point was that it can't be played on an iDevice, my point was it clearly could be exported to do so.
The mater of fact about it is that quicktime can convert HD content into the correct format for ipods, iphones, apple tv etc.. That is a fact. The fact that they don't rent HD material is the heart of the discussion, your point was that it can't be played on an iDevice, my point was it clearly could be exported to do so.
I stated that Tunes HAS this capability but that it's NOT convenient for the average user to convert every HD video that is purchased just to play on their iPod as it's not common knowledge the limitations of iDevices. Do you think it's acceptable to selling HD content to users and then have the wait 2 hours while their video is down-converted to fit on their iPod? Not exactly the "it just works" mantra Apple tries to convey.
Jesus F@#king Christ! What part of my comment that stated iTunes HAS this capability but that it's NOT convenient for the average user did you not understand? Do you think it's acceptable to selling HD content to users and then have the wait 2 hours while their video is down-converted to fit on their iPod? Not exactly the "it just works" mantra Apple tries to convey.
The part where you said
There is no option to rent I'd buy HD media from iTS so there is no matter of fact about it.
Implied that you didn't fully understand what I meant by my post.
Implied that you didn't fully understand what I meant by my post.
You said it was a matter of fact. I stated that since their is no option to rent or buy HD media from iTS on your computer that there is no matter of fact since it isn't possible.
In a previous post I stated,"[Most] Macs can easily play HD media. The problem lies with consumers thinking they can easily and quickly move these files to their iDevices like other audio and video so they pay for the more expensive HD media and then realize when it's too late that they can't move these over."
The following sentence that you quoted above started:,"There is an option built into iTunes to convert to iPod..." I should have added "There is an option built into iTunes to convert [any video to fit the] iPod..."
I was typing on my iPhone and so there are some extra errors in the sentence you quoted. For instance 'I'd' should be 'or', but that change the meaning
Anyway, I'm grumpy this afternoon so I should probably get off these boards for awhile. Sorry to be a be arse, I've had a trying day.
Oh no, most Macs in the install base and all new Macs can easily play HD media. The problem lies with consumers thinking they can easily and quickly move these files to their iDevices like other audio and video so they pay for the more expensive HD media and then realize when it's too late that they can't move these over. Then they blame Apple. If I were at Apple i'd rather not give the option at all.
Of course, the whole idea of purchasing HD media from iTS could be with the studios wanting more control.
I think sometimes we forget that the average computer user is not that savvy, and I want to quash that idea because no man is an island, like Australia.
I was just kidding you, of course. But the point was valid. Apple only allows rental of HD movies through ATv. Why? Most of us can easily view HD through our Macs. So why can't we rent them through our Macs?
Since Apple can tell if our computer can view them through our connection, there shouldn't be a problem there.
As for the idevices, Hd movies could easily be prevented from installing on them.
I don't see the problem.
It must be more than that.
I was just kidding you, of course. But the point was valid. Apple only allows rental of HD movies through ATv. Why? Most of us can easily view HD through our Macs. So why can't we rent them through our Macs?
Since Apple can tell if our computer can view them through our connection, there shouldn't be a problem there.
As for the idevices, Hd movies could easily be prevented from installing on them.
I don't see the problem.
It must be more than that.
I think it's due to HDCP. I assume the HDMI output of the AppleTV has High Def Copy Protection. So you can't record the Digital Video signal directly. Since Macs have a DVI port (same as HDMI, but without copy protection or sound), the studios might be worried that we would copy via that port.
Perhaps Apple is able to disable the DVI port of laptops & iMacs for High Def movies. Of course, I see little point in a high def movie if I have to watch it on my computer screen.
Look for HDMI on future macs.
You said it was a matter of fact. I stated that since their is no option to rent or buy HD media from iTS on your computer that there is no matter of fact since it isn't possible.
In a previous post I stated,"[Most] Macs can easily play HD media. The problem lies with consumers thinking they can easily and quickly move these files to their iDevices like other audio and video so they pay for the more expensive HD media and then realize when it's too late that they can't move these over."
The following sentence that you quoted above started:,"There is an option built into iTunes to convert to iPod..." I should have added "There is an option built into iTunes to convert [any video to fit the] iPod..."
I was typing on my iPhone and so there are some extra errors in the sentence you quoted. For instance 'I'd' should be 'or', but that change the meaning
Anyway, I'm grumpy this afternoon so I should probably get off these boards for awhile. Sorry to be a be arse, I've had a trying day.
I'm not thin skinned, no problem... Hopefully they will come up with a way that will solve it, whether it be with the studios or a way to offer it converted etc...
Of course, I see little point in a high def movie if I have to watch it on my computer screen.
Look for HDMI on future macs.
I used to say the same thing until I viewed HDTV and Standard TV on my 24" iMac. The difference in my experience was drastic. Close up or far away, much better viewing experience.
I used to say the same thing until I viewed HDTV and Standard TV on my 24" iMac. The difference in my experience was drastic. Close up or far away, much better viewing experience.
Yeah... I almost made that proviso in my comment... :-)
Still, Mac Mini's as media centres wouldn't work, and my MBP is too small for it to be worth it.
Australia isn't an island - it's a continent. Around the size of the US actually. Calling the Land Down Under an island is, to the Aussies, like saying that the Mac is a Windows based computer. I know - I'm married to one.
Actually it is an island and a continent. And we like being an island.
Christine Anu: Island Home (iTunes link)
A non-exclusivity deal could do wonders for plan rates.
I think it's due to HDCP. I assume the HDMI output of the AppleTV has High Def Copy Protection. So you can't record the Digital Video signal directly. Since Macs have a DVI port (same as HDMI, but without copy protection or sound), the studios might be worried that we would copy via that port.
Perhaps Apple is able to disable the DVI port of laptops & iMacs for High Def movies. Of course, I see little point in a high def movie if I have to watch it on my computer screen.
Look for HDMI on future macs.
That's only valid for 1080p uncompressed files. It's not a problem for the files being offered on iTunes.