The one thing I'm not fond of is the screw used for the memory slot cover. I think it's a poor choice for a Phillips head. It's not a size most people will have.
I don't understand that. A #2 philips screwdriver is incredibly common and easy to come by. If a person only owns three hand tools, tool #3 should be a #2 philips.
I don't understand that. A #2 philips screwdriver is incredibly common and easy to come by. If a person only owns three hand tools, tool #3 should be a #2 philips.
As I write this, I'm installing the latest Canon software on my daughter's machine.
The one thing I'm not fond of is the screw used for the memory slot cover. I think it's a poor choice for a Phillips head. It's not a size most people will have.
I was suprised that I needed to install any printer software, but i haven't personally needed to use a printer in several years. It was for a Canon MX700.
And I was surprised that I could not send fax requests from the Mac and receive them as saved documents. Now, I know I can get the USb modem and route the faxs from the Mac to a printer, but I thought this printer could do that too over USB. Oh well.
As for the screwdriver, i was surprised that the screwdriver I ususally use wouldn't work for the RAM cover. MY parents have absolutely nothing worthwhile in the basic tools so I had find a Phillips head bit for a drill and use that to unscrew it.
I don't understand that. A #2 philips screwdriver is incredibly common and easy to come by. If a person only owns three hand tools, tool #3 should be a #2 philips.
I thought it was a #2 as well, but it isn't. It's almost a #2. I thought it might be a Japanese cross point, but it's too wide across the flats for that.
It's about halfway between a #1 and a #2 with a flatter tip inside.
I have almost every tip known to mankind, and none fit exactly.
I was suprised that I needed to install any printer software, but i haven't personally needed to use a printer in several years. It was for a Canon MX700.
And I was surprised that I could not send fax requests from the Mac and receive them as saved documents. Now, I know I can get the USb modem and route the faxs from the Mac to a printer, but I thought this printer could do that too over USB. Oh well.
As for the screwdriver, i was surprised that the screwdriver I ususally use wouldn't work for the RAM cover. MY parents have absolutely nothing worthwhile in the basic tools so I had find a Phillips head bit for a drill and use that to unscrew it.
Some printers have complex software, and need installation. The Canon IPF5100 has quite a few ICC profiles to install, as well as a driver for PS and other programs, in addition, a 16 bit plug-in for PS, and their own camera programs.
What I just found out, as my daughter went to print her homework, was that her Samsung laser on her desk wasn't in the printer menu. In fact, it didn't show up at all in Add Printer, along with our Hp CLJ 8500N.
I had to have her print out through our Samsung Laser fax for tonight while I figure out the problems with the other printers tomorrow.
I thought it was a #2 as well, but it isn't. It's almost a #2. I thought it might be a Japanese cross point, but it's too wide across the flats for that.
It's about halfway between a #1 and a #2 with a flatter tip inside.
I have almost every tip known to mankind, and none fit exactly.
Unfortunately no. I have those too. The walls of the Pozidrive are too thin, and aren't curved. The tip is too pointy.
I'm wondering if it's just a bad batch of screws. I've had plenty of malformed screws over the years
A little confused here.
The major difference between a Philips and a Pozidriv is the 'flat' tip on the Pozidriv and the walls are thicker.
I have them all and they are quite distinct from each other. Even have a Snap-On 'Reed & Prince for my boat.* One thing for sure, each are tailored to fit and if not, one can damage the other so nothing fits.
Because of the loss of patent, a Philips is not necessarily a Philips. Lots of variations came prior to the judgement and many more after. One can only imagine the consequences of a screw manufacturer that cast their dies based on the best 'Philips' screw driver in their tool box. Doubt that there are a hundred experts in the world that could positively identify all the members of the Philips-type' family.
I thought it was a #2 as well, but it isn't. It's almost a #2. I thought it might be a Japanese cross point, but it's too wide across the flats for that.
It's about halfway between a #1 and a #2 with a flatter tip inside.
I have almost every tip known to mankind, and none fit exactly.
The Apple manual specifically says #2, so maybe you got bad screws. If both of yours are like that, then that's really odd, maybe the assembling company got a set of cheap screws.
Unfortunately no. I have those too. The walls of the Pozidrive are too thin, and aren't curved. The tip is too pointy.
I'm wondering if it's just a bad batch of screws. I've had plenty of malformed screws over the years
OK, if we're done "screwing" around, what are your impressions of the new 24" iMac? Have you tried any photo editing? What about the back lighting? Give it up!
The Apple manual specifically says #2, so maybe you got bad screws. If both of yours are like that, then that's really odd, maybe the assembling company got a set of cheap screws.
I would doubt that they are 'cheap' screws.
Unfortunately, there are a number of 'philip' (cross-head) type screws, e.g., Phillips, Reed & Prince, Pozidriv, Japanese (JIS), French Recess, Supradriv, etc., available.
Basically, the original Philips is now generic and anybody can use the name to describe their brand of cross-head. Even the Philips Screw Company has varying configurations. http://www.phillips-screw.com/index.htm
Many years ago (before the Mac), I produced a program for Xerox that required users to open their computers with a cross-headed screwdriver. As part of the packaging, I included a Philips( "Xerox") screwdriver to match the screws used. Although it was a gimmick, the idea came from having to get a Reed & Prince driver or ruin the screw heads used on my Trojan Sports Fish. Leave it to the Amish to build a boat with the 'best' of parts.
Unfortunately, there are a number of 'philip' (cross-head) type screws, e.g., Phillips, Reed & Prince, Pozidriv, Japanese (JIS), French Recess, Supradriv, etc., available.
But the manual does specifically state #2 philips. Posidrive is clearly a different standard, though sometimes hard to identify if the head is rusted. Except for the 1-in-10,000 bad screw, or rusted screw, and a posidrive, I've not had a "+" screw that didn't work with an appropriately sized philips screwdriver. But most of my work is on computers, some electronic devices, some house work and some autos, as well as products that I made in the past, but I don't use philips for that anymore. I don't do marine. I even have a variety of crap-cheap to good quality screw drivers and bits, nothing has really caused me a problem.
The iMac I bought last year had demo versions of iWork and Office, but you have to pay to play.
I guess Apple found that most users weren't using AppleWorks (some have to use Office) and then came up with a viable alternative, but chose to give the user an option instead of adding it in to the price of the machine.
Since we are talking about the new iMacs, when did they stop putting iWork on the factory install? There is also no MS Office, making the Mac completely free of any trial software.
The iMac I bought last year had demo versions of iWork and Office, but you have to pay to play.
I guess Apple found that most users weren't using AppleWorks (some have to use Office) and then came up with a viable alternative, but chose to give the user an option instead of adding it in to the price of the machine.
I figure Apple contract to include MS Office 2004 expired when Office 2008 came out and so they saw no need to include iWork either. But I see that as a bad move. You can DL the trail from their website but I don't think the software is well known enough that they should have removed it. It's not even on the install discs as an install option.
The major difference between a Philips and a Pozidriv is the 'flat' tip on the Pozidriv and the walls are thicker.
I have them all and they are quite distinct from each other. Even have a Snap-On 'Reed & Prince for my boat.* One thing for sure, each are tailored to fit and if not, one can damage the other so nothing fits.
Because of the loss of patent, a Philips is not necessarily a Philips. Lots of variations came prior to the judgement and many more after. One can only imagine the consequences of a screw manufacturer that cast their dies based on the best 'Philips' screw driver in their tool box. Doubt that there are a hundred experts in the world that could positively identify all the members of the Philips-type' family.
As I said, I have all of these. Over the years I've had need for many odd types.
None fit properly.
My first thought was that they were a Phillips #1, because the screw head is too small for a #2. They really are sized for a #1. But that was too small. I then tried a #2, but that wouldn't fit. Most of my tips are Wiha, and are pretty well sized and shaped.
The Apple manual specifically says #2, so maybe you got bad screws. If both of yours are like that, then that's really odd, maybe the assembling company got a set of cheap screws.
Whatever they are, none of my different tips fit properly.
But the manual does specifically state #2 philips. Posidrive is clearly a different standard, though sometimes hard to identify if the head is rusted. Except for the 1-in-10,000 bad screw, or rusted screw, and a posidrive, I've not had a "+" screw that didn't work with an appropriately sized philips screwdriver. But most of my work is on computers, some electronic devices, some house work and some autos, as well as products that I made in the past, but I don't use philips for that anymore. I don't do marine. I even have a variety of crap-cheap to good quality screw drivers and bits, nothing has really caused me a problem.
It's a strange screw to begin with, because the recess, if it is supposed to be a Phillips #2, doesn't fit into the standard size screw head reserved for a #2.
This screw head is below the size #2 Phillips heads normally have.
It's an odd combination. So there is a problem there. Perhaps these are made up specially for this purpose.
But whatever the reason, mine still don't fit.
While I'm here, I'm wondering about something else.
The remote control doesn't stick to the side of the computer as I seem to remember it did on older iMac's. It is supposed to on the aluminum machines as well, or no?
The remote control doesn't stick to the side of the computer as I seem to remember it did on older iMac's. It is supposed to on the aluminum machines as well, or no?
I recall other reports from the original aluminium imacs that the magnet was removed. IMO, that is a poor decision.
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The one thing I'm not fond of is the screw used for the memory slot cover. I think it's a poor choice for a Phillips head. It's not a size most people will have.
I don't understand that. A #2 philips screwdriver is incredibly common and easy to come by. If a person only owns three hand tools, tool #3 should be a #2 philips.
I don't understand that. A #2 philips screwdriver is incredibly common and easy to come by. If a person only owns three hand tools, tool #3 should be a #2 philips.
Should I ask what the first two are?
As I write this, I'm installing the latest Canon software on my daughter's machine.
The one thing I'm not fond of is the screw used for the memory slot cover. I think it's a poor choice for a Phillips head. It's not a size most people will have.
I was suprised that I needed to install any printer software, but i haven't personally needed to use a printer in several years. It was for a Canon MX700.
And I was surprised that I could not send fax requests from the Mac and receive them as saved documents. Now, I know I can get the USb modem and route the faxs from the Mac to a printer, but I thought this printer could do that too over USB. Oh well.
As for the screwdriver, i was surprised that the screwdriver I ususally use wouldn't work for the RAM cover. MY parents have absolutely nothing worthwhile in the basic tools so I had find a Phillips head bit for a drill and use that to unscrew it.
It's not really a philips shape, it's actually a metal Apple core, with the stem removed. Steveareeno has the only known matching tool.
It figures.
I don't understand that. A #2 philips screwdriver is incredibly common and easy to come by. If a person only owns three hand tools, tool #3 should be a #2 philips.
I thought it was a #2 as well, but it isn't. It's almost a #2. I thought it might be a Japanese cross point, but it's too wide across the flats for that.
It's about halfway between a #1 and a #2 with a flatter tip inside.
I have almost every tip known to mankind, and none fit exactly.
I was suprised that I needed to install any printer software, but i haven't personally needed to use a printer in several years. It was for a Canon MX700.
And I was surprised that I could not send fax requests from the Mac and receive them as saved documents. Now, I know I can get the USb modem and route the faxs from the Mac to a printer, but I thought this printer could do that too over USB. Oh well.
As for the screwdriver, i was surprised that the screwdriver I ususally use wouldn't work for the RAM cover. MY parents have absolutely nothing worthwhile in the basic tools so I had find a Phillips head bit for a drill and use that to unscrew it.
Some printers have complex software, and need installation. The Canon IPF5100 has quite a few ICC profiles to install, as well as a driver for PS and other programs, in addition, a 16 bit plug-in for PS, and their own camera programs.
What I just found out, as my daughter went to print her homework, was that her Samsung laser on her desk wasn't in the printer menu. In fact, it didn't show up at all in Add Printer, along with our Hp CLJ 8500N.
I had to have her print out through our Samsung Laser fax for tonight while I figure out the problems with the other printers tomorrow.
I thought it was a #2 as well, but it isn't. It's almost a #2. I thought it might be a Japanese cross point, but it's too wide across the flats for that.
It's about halfway between a #1 and a #2 with a flatter tip inside.
I have almost every tip known to mankind, and none fit exactly.
Sounds like a Pozidriv. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pozidriv
http://www.wihatools.com/images/Symbols/poziindex.gif
Sounds like a Pozidriv. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pozidriv
http://www.wihatools.com/images/Symbols/poziindex.gif
Unfortunately no. I have those too. The walls of the Pozidrive are too thin, and aren't curved. The tip is too pointy.
I'm wondering if it's just a bad batch of screws. I've had plenty of malformed screws over the years
Unfortunately no. I have those too. The walls of the Pozidrive are too thin, and aren't curved. The tip is too pointy.
I'm wondering if it's just a bad batch of screws. I've had plenty of malformed screws over the years
A little confused here.
The major difference between a Philips and a Pozidriv is the 'flat' tip on the Pozidriv and the walls are thicker.
I have them all and they are quite distinct from each other. Even have a Snap-On 'Reed & Prince for my boat.* One thing for sure, each are tailored to fit and if not, one can damage the other so nothing fits.
Because of the loss of patent, a Philips is not necessarily a Philips. Lots of variations came prior to the judgement and many more after. One can only imagine the consequences of a screw manufacturer that cast their dies based on the best 'Philips' screw driver in their tool box. Doubt that there are a hundred experts in the world that could positively identify all the members of the Philips-type' family.
Unfortunately the simplest and in my mind the best is the Robertson which is not readily available in the US. (#14: http://www.operation-dialogue.com/e/...ons_School.pdf) and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robertson_screwdriver
http://www.wihatools.com/indexes/indxpozi.htm
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_And_Prince
I thought it was a #2 as well, but it isn't. It's almost a #2. I thought it might be a Japanese cross point, but it's too wide across the flats for that.
It's about halfway between a #1 and a #2 with a flatter tip inside.
I have almost every tip known to mankind, and none fit exactly.
The Apple manual specifically says #2, so maybe you got bad screws. If both of yours are like that, then that's really odd, maybe the assembling company got a set of cheap screws.
Unfortunately no. I have those too. The walls of the Pozidrive are too thin, and aren't curved. The tip is too pointy.
I'm wondering if it's just a bad batch of screws. I've had plenty of malformed screws over the years
OK, if we're done "screwing" around, what are your impressions of the new 24" iMac? Have you tried any photo editing? What about the back lighting? Give it up!
The Apple manual specifically says #2, so maybe you got bad screws. If both of yours are like that, then that's really odd, maybe the assembling company got a set of cheap screws.
I would doubt that they are 'cheap' screws.
Unfortunately, there are a number of 'philip' (cross-head) type screws, e.g., Phillips, Reed & Prince, Pozidriv, Japanese (JIS), French Recess, Supradriv, etc., available.
Basically, the original Philips is now generic and anybody can use the name to describe their brand of cross-head. Even the Philips Screw Company has varying configurations. http://www.phillips-screw.com/index.htm
Many years ago (before the Mac), I produced a program for Xerox that required users to open their computers with a cross-headed screwdriver. As part of the packaging, I included a Philips( "Xerox") screwdriver to match the screws used. Although it was a gimmick, the idea came from having to get a Reed & Prince driver or ruin the screw heads used on my Trojan Sports Fish. Leave it to the Amish to build a boat with the 'best' of parts.
I would doubt that they are 'cheap' screws.
Unfortunately, there are a number of 'philip' (cross-head) type screws, e.g., Phillips, Reed & Prince, Pozidriv, Japanese (JIS), French Recess, Supradriv, etc., available.
But the manual does specifically state #2 philips. Posidrive is clearly a different standard, though sometimes hard to identify if the head is rusted. Except for the 1-in-10,000 bad screw, or rusted screw, and a posidrive, I've not had a "+" screw that didn't work with an appropriately sized philips screwdriver. But most of my work is on computers, some electronic devices, some house work and some autos, as well as products that I made in the past, but I don't use philips for that anymore. I don't do marine. I even have a variety of crap-cheap to good quality screw drivers and bits, nothing has really caused me a problem.
I guess Apple found that most users weren't using AppleWorks (some have to use Office) and then came up with a viable alternative, but chose to give the user an option instead of adding it in to the price of the machine.
The iMac I bought last year had demo versions of iWork and Office, but you have to pay to play.
I guess Apple found that most users weren't using AppleWorks (some have to use Office) and then came up with a viable alternative, but chose to give the user an option instead of adding it in to the price of the machine.
I figure Apple contract to include MS Office 2004 expired when Office 2008 came out and so they saw no need to include iWork either. But I see that as a bad move. You can DL the trail from their website but I don't think the software is well known enough that they should have removed it. It's not even on the install discs as an install option.
A little confused here.
The major difference between a Philips and a Pozidriv is the 'flat' tip on the Pozidriv and the walls are thicker.
I have them all and they are quite distinct from each other. Even have a Snap-On 'Reed & Prince for my boat.* One thing for sure, each are tailored to fit and if not, one can damage the other so nothing fits.
Because of the loss of patent, a Philips is not necessarily a Philips. Lots of variations came prior to the judgement and many more after. One can only imagine the consequences of a screw manufacturer that cast their dies based on the best 'Philips' screw driver in their tool box. Doubt that there are a hundred experts in the world that could positively identify all the members of the Philips-type' family.
Unfortunately the simplest and in my mind the best is the Robertson which is not readily available in the US. (#14: http://www.operation-dialogue.com/e/...ons_School.pdf) and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robertson_screwdriver
http://www.wihatools.com/indexes/indxpozi.htm
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_And_Prince
As I said, I have all of these. Over the years I've had need for many odd types.
None fit properly.
My first thought was that they were a Phillips #1, because the screw head is too small for a #2. They really are sized for a #1. But that was too small. I then tried a #2, but that wouldn't fit. Most of my tips are Wiha, and are pretty well sized and shaped.
The Apple manual specifically says #2, so maybe you got bad screws. If both of yours are like that, then that's really odd, maybe the assembling company got a set of cheap screws.
Whatever they are, none of my different tips fit properly.
But the manual does specifically state #2 philips. Posidrive is clearly a different standard, though sometimes hard to identify if the head is rusted. Except for the 1-in-10,000 bad screw, or rusted screw, and a posidrive, I've not had a "+" screw that didn't work with an appropriately sized philips screwdriver. But most of my work is on computers, some electronic devices, some house work and some autos, as well as products that I made in the past, but I don't use philips for that anymore. I don't do marine. I even have a variety of crap-cheap to good quality screw drivers and bits, nothing has really caused me a problem.
It's a strange screw to begin with, because the recess, if it is supposed to be a Phillips #2, doesn't fit into the standard size screw head reserved for a #2.
This screw head is below the size #2 Phillips heads normally have.
It's an odd combination. So there is a problem there. Perhaps these are made up specially for this purpose.
But whatever the reason, mine still don't fit.
While I'm here, I'm wondering about something else.
The remote control doesn't stick to the side of the computer as I seem to remember it did on older iMac's. It is supposed to on the aluminum machines as well, or no?
The remote control doesn't stick to the side of the computer as I seem to remember it did on older iMac's. It is supposed to on the aluminum machines as well, or no?
I recall other reports from the original aluminium imacs that the magnet was removed. IMO, that is a poor decision.
confirmation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_R..._resting_place