Why is it that the LCD TV manufacturers are able to produce 40" 1080p LED-backlit TVs for a few hundred more than the 30" Cinema Display? Are they cutting corners somewhere?
Gimme new Cinema Displays. Dammit.
There are many aspects to displays that I don't understand but I think you can get a basic idea by comparing the resolution of those TVs to the ACDs. Then figure out how much lower the ppi is in those TVs.
The only comment I would wish to offer is that of someone who has had their life changed, forever, it seems, by mercury poisoning. I speak, not as a tech geek, an engineer, or an academic--but, as one who has suffered...And, with the energy that remains--spend it on compassion for those whom the environmental fallout has proven less than benign.
I sympathise, I had gluten allergy between 2000-2005 or so. Toxins and allergens in the environment at the end of the day are no joke.
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Originally Posted by miamitranceman
Hopefully they'll finally solve the "white spot" issues back from as early as the Powerbook days. I've got some on my MBP that i'll be turning over to Apple through Applecare shortly.
In the past year at an Apple Premium Reseller network, I would say, this is a rare occurrence, hope anyways it gets sorted out soon.
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Has it been confirmed anywhere that the impending upgrades to the MacBook Pro line will have Blu LED displays as the standard option?
The LED backlight MBP is standard on 15". Is very naiicee, yes... For the 17", I think 50-50 chance the 17" models will be all LED backlit.
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Originally Posted by ppopp
Do you think the new MacBooks that are rumored to be released in Q3 of this year will have LED displays? I'm planning on buying one when they are released, and the possibility of an LED display is one of the reasons I was waiting. I figured that they would be LED since they (probably) would be sourced with the same displays as the MB Air. This new "LED backlighting by 2009" pledge by Apple now has me wondering.
I think the pledge is just a factor of news coming out at different timings, cushion for Apple, etc.
I feel 80% chance that the calendar Q3 (towards like Sep or so) newly-redesigned MacBooks will be all LED backlit.
Here's some more predictions I thought I'd ramble out...
June-July-Aug. will probably be the major rollout of iPhone 3G around the world. iPhone madness continues and accelerates to result in total sold by end of 2008 to be, maybe, 18-20 million.
MacBook Pro sometime in June update, teh sexay. Redesigned to flow better with MacBook Air. MacBook Air, bumped specs as well sometime in June (its due...?).
Around Sep. will be the beginning of holiday season madness. With redesigned MacBook that will consolidate the MacBook, MacBook Air, MacBook Pro lines.
iPods and iMacs probably some beefing up in terms of design, sexayness, etc. sometime around August or September too...
That leaves space for the dark horse of the 2nd half of 2008. The Mac Touch. Is it ready? Is it not? Maybe only January 2009.
Why is it that the LCD TV manufacturers are able to produce 40" 1080p LED-backlit TVs for a few hundred more than the 30" Cinema Display? Are they cutting corners somewhere?
Gimme new Cinema Displays. Dammit.
1920 by 1080 resolution, compared to the Cinema Display's 2560 x 1600. But yeah, 2nd half 2008, at least, it is very very likely something interesting is brewing in the Cinema Display area.
Steve's probably been tossing up between the computer-display market and the TV-display market, and how the Cinema Display is going to work in those areas.
42" 2560x1600 LED Backlit Apple Cinema Display. HDMI, DVI, Component input. That's certainly going to blow a chunk into the computer/HDTV display market. This is probably what Apple has been tinkering with, since they like to leapfrog the scene whenever a model has become somewhat dated.
The Apple Cinema Displays have had an extremely long shelf life, mainly because their design is still unsurpassed in many ways. It's the de facto "cool big computer screen thingy" in movies and TV shows. I hooked up my nvidia8500GT-SLI PC to a 20" Cinema Display that's about over a year old, and the quality is still pretty good. Not as vivid as some of the stuff out there, but certainly crisp and balanced.
I think the new Cinema Display range will take us through in style through to the end of 2009. Maybe July 2008 announcement.
Do you think the new MacBooks that are rumored to be released in Q3 of this year will have LED displays? I'm planning on buying one when they are released, and the possibility of an LED display is one of the reasons I was waiting. I figured that they would be LED since they (probably) would be sourced with the same displays as the MB Air. This new "LED backlighting by 2009" pledge by Apple now has me wondering.
don' think so...i had similar plans for MB, now it appears pushed to 09.
MB displays can be preempted, it's the cinema displays that should be put off til' 09.
I understand that 2560x1600 ≠ 1920x1080, and that there are a whole host of color and response time issues involved.
OTOH, a 40" TV has 10" larger diagonal on the Cinema Display... meaning it has to have a larger backlight unit, and the sheet of "motherglass" has to be that much larger. It seems like these costs would offset the lower costs from less pixels, etc.
I guess I don't understand the economics of the situation. TVs obviously benefit from economy-of-scale, as the market for big honkin' monitors is much smaller.
Hence, my statemnt of POV. Laden can also mean burdened or encumbered which doesn't imply a quantity, just an undesired attribute. Personally, I wouldn't have used laden as the colloquial definition tends to imply a vast amount of something, but that doesn't mean it's incorrect.[/quote]
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I'll concede the point to the distinguished gentleman.
You shouldn't concede, Sammich. Words have meanings. As long as there were other words available to more accurately describe the mercury content, then laden is clearly incorrect. Laden is misleading as description, it implies that mercury is very high in quantity on the list of items contained in the display. Greenpeace is of course attempting to color the situation using it's typical spin, as opposed to being absolutely up front about it. That is one of the reasons that Greenpeace founder, Patrick Moore, left the organization.
You shouldn't concede, Sammich. Words have meanings. As long as there were other words available to more accurately describe the mercury content, then laden is clearly incorrect. Laden is misleading as description, it implies that mercury is very high in quantity on the list of items contained in the display. Greenpeace is of course attempting to color the situation using it's typical spin, as opposed to being absolutely up front about it. That is one of the reasons that Greenpeace founder, Patrick Moore, left the organization.
I have no love for Greenpeace, but I would argue that using a less accurate word does not mean it is inaccurate. You say laden implies high quantity, but you aren't quantifying in what way the quantity is high. Moisture laden air is still predominately air and not moisture but using the term in that since never raises an eyebrow. As I said before, I would not have chosen that word as it is not the most proper word, but that doesn't mean it's improper.
I have no love for Greenpeace, but I would argue that using a less accurate word does not mean it is inaccurate. You say laden implies high quantity, but you aren't quantifying in what way the quantity is high. Moisture laden air is still predominately air and not moisture but using the term in that since never raises an eyebrow. As I said before, I would not have chosen that word as it is not the most proper word, but that doesn't mean it's improper.
I bet we could go on all day with this.
Probably!
Anyway, when ingredients are listed, it's customary to list them beginning with the largest in quantity, and working down to the lowest in quantity. Mercury isn't even close to being there in quantities large enough to have the display considered laden with it. It may be said that the display is laden with various components, and that mercury is one of them. It's disingenuous to say that the display is laden with mercury, then ignore the rest of the components, many of which are there in greater abundance than mercury.
It's disingenuous to say that the display is laden with mercury, then ignore the rest of the components, many of which are there in greater abundance than mercury.
This is where the POV I mentioned earlier. If the original author was specifically mentioning the toxin and there are other monitors that don't contain this toxin I can see why they would use the word laden. Again, it's not the word I would have chosen, it's definitely hyperbolic (though a lot less than the x-killer comments we get on their forums). I will defend correct language to no end, even if it's not the most correct language.
This is where the POV I mentioned earlier. If the original author was specifically mentioning the toxin and there are other monitors that don't contain this toxin I can see why they would use the word laden. Again, it's not the word I would have chosen, it's definitely hyperbolic (though a lot less than the x-killer comments we get on their forums). I will defend correct language to no end, even if it's not the most correct language.
I lied, it's IS Bud time!
If you were taking a multiple choice test, the answer that the test givers are looking for is always the most correct answer. To choose otherwise is to miss the question.
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Why is it that the LCD TV manufacturers are able to produce 40" 1080p LED-backlit TVs for a few hundred more than the 30" Cinema Display? Are they cutting corners somewhere?
Gimme new Cinema Displays. Dammit.
There are many aspects to displays that I don't understand but I think you can get a basic idea by comparing the resolution of those TVs to the ACDs. Then figure out how much lower the ppi is in those TVs.
The only comment I would wish to offer is that of someone who has had their life changed, forever, it seems, by mercury poisoning. I speak, not as a tech geek, an engineer, or an academic--but, as one who has suffered...And, with the energy that remains--spend it on compassion for those whom the environmental fallout has proven less than benign.
I sympathise, I had gluten allergy between 2000-2005 or so. Toxins and allergens in the environment at the end of the day are no joke.
Hopefully they'll finally solve the "white spot" issues back from as early as the Powerbook days. I've got some on my MBP that i'll be turning over to Apple through Applecare shortly.
In the past year at an Apple Premium Reseller network, I would say, this is a rare occurrence, hope anyways it gets sorted out soon.
Has it been confirmed anywhere that the impending upgrades to the MacBook Pro line will have Blu LED displays as the standard option?
The LED backlight MBP is standard on 15". Is very naiicee, yes... For the 17", I think 50-50 chance the 17" models will be all LED backlit.
Do you think the new MacBooks that are rumored to be released in Q3 of this year will have LED displays? I'm planning on buying one when they are released, and the possibility of an LED display is one of the reasons I was waiting. I figured that they would be LED since they (probably) would be sourced with the same displays as the MB Air. This new "LED backlighting by 2009" pledge by Apple now has me wondering.
I think the pledge is just a factor of news coming out at different timings, cushion for Apple, etc.
I feel 80% chance that the calendar Q3 (towards like Sep or so) newly-redesigned MacBooks will be all LED backlit.
Cinema displays, hmm....
June-July-Aug. will probably be the major rollout of iPhone 3G around the world. iPhone madness continues and accelerates to result in total sold by end of 2008 to be, maybe, 18-20 million.
MacBook Pro sometime in June update, teh sexay. Redesigned to flow better with MacBook Air. MacBook Air, bumped specs as well sometime in June (its due...?).
Around Sep. will be the beginning of holiday season madness. With redesigned MacBook that will consolidate the MacBook, MacBook Air, MacBook Pro lines.
iPods and iMacs probably some beefing up in terms of design, sexayness, etc. sometime around August or September too...
That leaves space for the dark horse of the 2nd half of 2008. The Mac Touch. Is it ready? Is it not? Maybe only January 2009.
Mmm..... Oh the madness...
Why is it that the LCD TV manufacturers are able to produce 40" 1080p LED-backlit TVs for a few hundred more than the 30" Cinema Display? Are they cutting corners somewhere?
Gimme new Cinema Displays. Dammit.
1920 by 1080 resolution, compared to the Cinema Display's 2560 x 1600. But yeah, 2nd half 2008, at least, it is very very likely something interesting is brewing in the Cinema Display area.
Steve's probably been tossing up between the computer-display market and the TV-display market, and how the Cinema Display is going to work in those areas.
42" 2560x1600 LED Backlit Apple Cinema Display. HDMI, DVI, Component input. That's certainly going to blow a chunk into the computer/HDTV display market. This is probably what Apple has been tinkering with, since they like to leapfrog the scene whenever a model has become somewhat dated.
The Apple Cinema Displays have had an extremely long shelf life, mainly because their design is still unsurpassed in many ways. It's the de facto "cool big computer screen thingy" in movies and TV shows. I hooked up my nvidia8500GT-SLI PC to a 20" Cinema Display that's about over a year old, and the quality is still pretty good. Not as vivid as some of the stuff out there, but certainly crisp and balanced.
I think the new Cinema Display range will take us through in style through to the end of 2009. Maybe July 2008 announcement.
Do you think the new MacBooks that are rumored to be released in Q3 of this year will have LED displays? I'm planning on buying one when they are released, and the possibility of an LED display is one of the reasons I was waiting. I figured that they would be LED since they (probably) would be sourced with the same displays as the MB Air. This new "LED backlighting by 2009" pledge by Apple now has me wondering.
don' think so...i had similar plans for MB, now it appears pushed to 09.
MB displays can be preempted, it's the cinema displays that should be put off til' 09.
don' think so...i had similar plans for MB, now it appears pushed to 09.
Screw LED BLU. I'd just like them to use better LCDs in general.
OTOH, a 40" TV has 10" larger diagonal on the Cinema Display... meaning it has to have a larger backlight unit, and the sheet of "motherglass" has to be that much larger. It seems like these costs would offset the lower costs from less pixels, etc.
I guess I don't understand the economics of the situation. TVs obviously benefit from economy-of-scale, as the market for big honkin' monitors is much smaller.
I just really don't want to buy a Dell.
I just really don't want to buy a Dell.
Unless you are doing work that requires a truer display or just want the aesthetics of the ACD I'd go for the much better value of the Dell.
Unless you are doing work that requires a truer display or just want the aesthetics of the ACD I'd go for the much better value of the Dell.
If you really want color fidelity go for an Eizo.
If you really want color fidelity go for an Eizo.
Those make the ACD look cheap.
Originally Posted by solipsism
Hence, my statemnt of POV. Laden can also mean burdened or encumbered which doesn't imply a quantity, just an undesired attribute. Personally, I wouldn't have used laden as the colloquial definition tends to imply a vast amount of something, but that doesn't mean it's incorrect.[/quote]
I'll concede the point to the distinguished gentleman.
You shouldn't concede, Sammich. Words have meanings. As long as there were other words available to more accurately describe the mercury content, then laden is clearly incorrect. Laden is misleading as description, it implies that mercury is very high in quantity on the list of items contained in the display. Greenpeace is of course attempting to color the situation using it's typical spin, as opposed to being absolutely up front about it. That is one of the reasons that Greenpeace founder, Patrick Moore, left the organization.
You shouldn't concede, Sammich. Words have meanings. As long as there were other words available to more accurately describe the mercury content, then laden is clearly incorrect. Laden is misleading as description, it implies that mercury is very high in quantity on the list of items contained in the display. Greenpeace is of course attempting to color the situation using it's typical spin, as opposed to being absolutely up front about it. That is one of the reasons that Greenpeace founder, Patrick Moore, left the organization.
I have no love for Greenpeace, but I would argue that using a less accurate word does not mean it is inaccurate. You say laden implies high quantity, but you aren't quantifying in what way the quantity is high. Moisture laden air is still predominately air and not moisture but using the term in that since never raises an eyebrow. As I said before, I would not have chosen that word as it is not the most proper word, but that doesn't mean it's improper.
I bet we could go on all day with this.
I have no love for Greenpeace, but I would argue that using a less accurate word does not mean it is inaccurate. You say laden implies high quantity, but you aren't quantifying in what way the quantity is high. Moisture laden air is still predominately air and not moisture but using the term in that since never raises an eyebrow. As I said before, I would not have chosen that word as it is not the most proper word, but that doesn't mean it's improper.
I bet we could go on all day with this.
Probably!
Anyway, when ingredients are listed, it's customary to list them beginning with the largest in quantity, and working down to the lowest in quantity. Mercury isn't even close to being there in quantities large enough to have the display considered laden with it. It may be said that the display is laden with various components, and that mercury is one of them. It's disingenuous to say that the display is laden with mercury, then ignore the rest of the components, many of which are there in greater abundance than mercury.
It's not quite Bud time.
It's disingenuous to say that the display is laden with mercury, then ignore the rest of the components, many of which are there in greater abundance than mercury.
This is where the POV I mentioned earlier. If the original author was specifically mentioning the toxin and there are other monitors that don't contain this toxin I can see why they would use the word laden. Again, it's not the word I would have chosen, it's definitely hyperbolic (though a lot less than the x-killer comments we get on their forums). I will defend correct language to no end, even if it's not the most correct language.
This is where the POV I mentioned earlier. If the original author was specifically mentioning the toxin and there are other monitors that don't contain this toxin I can see why they would use the word laden. Again, it's not the word I would have chosen, it's definitely hyperbolic (though a lot less than the x-killer comments we get on their forums). I will defend correct language to no end, even if it's not the most correct language.
I lied, it's IS Bud time!
If you were taking a multiple choice test, the answer that the test givers are looking for is always the most correct answer. To choose otherwise is to miss the question.