TomTom for iPhone lives; Jobs' true health; green iPhone 3G?

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  • Reply 61 of 90
    davegeedavegee Posts: 2,765member
    I'm thinking about the GPS side of this story...



    Utilizing GPS in your application for navigation based directions and other stuff (as of the latest SDK development terms and conditions) seems to potentially be not allowed. Now the developer at TomTom seems to think otherwise and could very well be right...



    I'm trying to think how Apple would implement a GPS navigation application in a way that only Apple can seem to do... (with some exceptions).



    1 - It would be connected to the Address book yes... thats a no brainer

    2 - Local points of interest via google? Sure more than likely



    But what else? And, how do you think an "Apple designed" "GPS Navigation System": look like, react to obstacles, behave in general, voice recognition, etc etc etc... Anyone care to share their thoughts or wanna photoshop mockup some cool UI design ideas/examples?



    Would is be really amazing and do things like recognize that you are on a highway and moving far slower than highway speed and offer new routes to you that would divert you away from the slow moving traffic? (does ANY gps do this sorta thing? I know that living in/around the NYC area traffic being insane is usually the norm and I would love for a feature such as that.



    Dave
  • Reply 62 of 90
    I do have to admit I was a little shocked by the all plastic back as the original iPhone was made of aluminum and glass because they are 'look great and highly desirable for recycling'. Plus it matched the iMac and all that. Just kinda seemed like a step back, but I totally understand signal strength is important.
  • Reply 63 of 90
    icarbonicarbon Posts: 196member
    Wow, so much vitriol spewing around this list of posts... I guess its time for my few cents:



    as for the developers issues, seems to me that I'd rather a smaller number of useful apps than a larger number of crappy ones. Considering the fact that I had to try out 7 molecular weight calculators before I found one good for anything beyond high school chemistry classes (being a college chemistry professor, this is a little below my needs), I wouldn't mind a nicely streamlined system. Therefore, if apple wants to take their time, and carefully choose the apps they allow, I'm glad to hear it.



    Now to the whole TomTom thing -- I don't care whether its TomTom, Garmin or apple themselves, if my iPhone can tell me what street to turn onto, and which crag to hike around, I'm going to be really happy. It might've helped those hikers on Mt. Rainier last week (I know this is unrealistic, but I like hyperbole).



    Finally on to greenpeace. My main issue with this group is that they don't seem to have updated or improved their approach in 30 years. Look at ForestEthics -- they're an environmental group that has successfully lobbied for change with Staples, Victoria's Secret and Home Despot -- increasing the percentage of recycled materials used and reducing the decimation of old growth forests caused by all three companies by a combination of creating bad press, inspiring boycotts, meeting with executives to help design improved strategies and plan a realistic set of goals, and finally to promise a carrot of good press, using the company as a "good example" once the reasonable goals have been met. Greenpeace, meanwhile pushed apple, got a positive response and is immediately attacking them on the next step before they've even seen the product! For all they know, there is a great big recycling symbol on the back of every single 3G iPhone!



    which gets to my big complaint -- they can tell its environmentally unsound from Steve's keynote?!?!?!?! I can't even tell if its got a smooth or textured back! (I'd like smooth)
  • Reply 64 of 90
    nvidia2008nvidia2008 Posts: 9,262member
    What if Steve Jobs got cancer from the very toxins in the iPhone? Unlikely if we will ever know, unless he's had some bad luck when inspecting those manufacturing plants in China.



    That's the most intelligent thing I can say given all the crazy stuff being debated in this thread.



    One word: We must prepare for terraforming other worlds. There. I said it. Also, achieving far deeper understanding of genetics, cybernetics, and human consciousness uploaded onto exabyte-level nano/laser/storage devices.



    Wait a minute, this isn't tobacco in my cigarette.... OMFG.
  • Reply 65 of 90
    nvidia2008nvidia2008 Posts: 9,262member
    3G = 3 times more Green. Not.
  • Reply 66 of 90
    nvidia2008nvidia2008 Posts: 9,262member
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    Originally Posted by vinea View Post


    No, the big picture is the backlash results in pushing the green concerns into the margins. Having whackjobs for representatives does that. GP are assuredly whackjobs that mainstream media uses to show that environmentalists are not right in the head.



    I resent that because it keeps real progress from occuring.



    Or they COULD get more money if the greentards didn't steal all the funding for thier own whackjob agendas or make normal folks roll their eyes when the environment comes up as a topic or a fundraising activity.



    Or simply fight back. If GP want's to be jackasses I'm willing to call them jackasses. They are no less "public" than Apple. As far as I'm concerned, as long as GP represents the environmental movement the entire lot are whackjobs and my checkbook stays closed.



    I'd rather give money to BP by buying their solar products.



    The main quandry I ran into when working for Greenpeace was this. I came across something interesting. It was the Dalai Lama's comments on the need for "comfort and dignity" that "every human desires" or something like that.



    Unless this is somehow equated or more aligned with environmental sustainability, then at the end of the day, one would have to choose whether you value the environment (non-humans) or humans more. Both would be best, but that's a big debate now on where is this "middle ground".



    Of course, the deeper questions are, what is real? Why are we here? and... If I like using my Mac why must the world die?
  • Reply 67 of 90
    nvidia2008nvidia2008 Posts: 9,262member
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    Originally Posted by reallynotnick View Post


    I do have to admit I was a little shocked by the all plastic back as the original iPhone was made of aluminum and glass because they are 'look great and highly desirable for recycling'. Plus it matched the iMac and all that. Just kinda seemed like a step back, but I totally understand signal strength is important.



    Here's the pickle. If people used more iPhones and Macs than Nokias or PCs, would the world be better? My call is yes. 75% use Apple stuff and the world is a better place. 25% yes if Apple was greener that would be good. However, there are a whole bunch of other assholes fking the earth up. Energy production is the next big issue.



    I AGREE WITH THOSE THAT SAY, WE GOTTA PRIORITISE HERE PEOPLES.
  • Reply 68 of 90
    nvidia2008nvidia2008 Posts: 9,262member
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    Originally Posted by Ireland View Post


    Yeah.



    Oouch. Don't give up hope yet! Move to London for teh future.
  • Reply 69 of 90
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by aegisdesign View Post


    Most of those S60 developers would be European and those 6000 apps come from about 500 developers btw.



    Wow! Is that it? (rhetorical)

    I had a bet with someone that, I think Sapporobaby, that Apple's App Store would have more apps than any other mobile platform.



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    I think there'll be a veritable gold rush of American developers new to mobile phone development since it's not been a strong market historically there but what comes out of that may not be so useful in the first round of the rush. I'm betting on at least 20 ToDo list applications, most of which will be shit.



    I hope Apple is going throw the developer applications thoroughly, that they are making sure that the apps they will have will not have too many repeats that do the exact same thing and that they are making sure the apps are up to par before green-lighting them.



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    Apple didn't do itself many favours with European developers either by delaying entry for them until some months after US developers were accepted. It'll be a pity if they've lost developers like QuickOffice and Epocware in that signup process.



    Perhaps Apple has gone through Nokia's most popular apps to specifically look for those developers in it's DB that have submitted applications to develop for the iPhone. It would be an important victory for Apple to get them sooner rather than later.
  • Reply 70 of 90
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    Originally Posted by nvidia2008 View Post


    ....and human consciousness uploaded onto exabyte-level nano/laser/storage devices.



    OK, if we're going completely off-topic, let's embrace it! I've read SF for years about uploading your consciousness into hardware. Could somebody tell me, once some duplicate of you is running in silico, what good this does the original you, still trapped in a body that's going to die?
  • Reply 71 of 90
    maxmannmaxmann Posts: 85member
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    Originally Posted by CREB View Post


    I do not give a damn about anything else listed in this topic other than Jobs health that I wish all the best. I have consistently owned a Mac for twenty-eight years straight, and both Jobs and the Woz both influenced my life.



    Mine too! I shared a booth in a Team Electronics dealer show in Minneapolis with Steve and Woz when they were just starting out in the late 70's (?). Unable to afford the booth myself, the Team buyer set me up with 1/2 of the space to show my car stereo line. I don't remember much about them, or the computer except that I didn't get it.. and It was not attractive.. i played with it just once and i remember something like Hello my name is coming up on the screen (?) and avoided them for the next three days.. i didn't think it was cool and I really didn't want to be around a couple of high school kids. A few years senior and just starting out in sales.. I wanted to be in the big time with successful management staff at Team! At the end of the dealer show, an upper management person from Dayton Hudson asked me what i thought? .. his enthusiasm was obvious so i said it was pretty cool.. and then he asked me if i was going to invest in their start up?.. it was $5000 as i recall?. I was like just not getting any of it so i meekly said i was thinking about it.. a year or so later Apple was on the map and i guess a couple of management people did make an investment in Apple that week.. It became a major lesson learned for me... As this was proof that opportunities pass us by each day and we need to be prepared for them in order to recognize their value. I went on to have a very successful career in consumer electronics.. And.. I have had a Mac.. after Mac .. after Mac since.. It was such a lucky learning experience for me -I love telling this story because Apple's immediate success allowed me to recognize that moment and realize with clarity what opportunity really is - I've never stopped looking for them since!.. Like you, I am hoping that Steve Jobs has many many more healthy years to cherish life on planet earth, and I am especially thankful to have fully enjoyed the use of apple products.



    d
  • Reply 72 of 90
    lonestar1lonestar1 Posts: 100member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    I hope Apple is going throw the developer applications thoroughly, that they are making sure that the apps they will have will not have too many repeats that do the exact same thing and that they are making sure the apps are up to par before green-lighting them.



    Apple is not playing nanny for you. They stated their criteria back in March. They're going to screen out porn, malware, illegal apps, bandwidth hogs, etc. Everything else will be laissez faire.



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    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    Perhaps Apple has gone through Nokia's most popular apps to specifically look for those developers in it's DB that have submitted applications to develop for the iPhone.



    Except it doesn't work that way. Developers applying to the Beta program were not asked, except in the most general sense, what kind of apps they wanted to create.



    Nor are the Beta developers the only developers who can create iPhone apps, now or in the future.
  • Reply 73 of 90
    bloggerblogbloggerblog Posts: 2,457member
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    Originally Posted by maxmann View Post


    Mine too! I shared a booth in a Team Electronics dealer show in Minneapolis with Steve and Woz when they were just starting out in the late 70's...



    Excuse me while I pick my jaw off the floor! WOW
  • Reply 74 of 90
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lonestar1 View Post


    Apple is not playing nanny for you. They stated their criteria back in March. They're going to screen out porn, malware, illegal apps, bandwidth hogs, etc. Everything else will be laissez faire.



    You wrote, "[Apple is] going to screen out porn, malware, illegal apps, bandwidth hogs, etc.", immediately after you write, "Apple is not playing nanny." The two sentences are contradictory. Apple is most certainly are playing nanny, and with good reason.



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    Except it doesn't work that way. Developers applying to the Beta program were not asked, except in the most general sense, what kind of apps they wanted to create.



    No, I wasn't asked either, but I did supply enough information that it would take only a moment for Apple to see if I were a known mobile developer on other mobile platforms. I have no proof, but it seems logical that Apple would want to pull popular developers from other mobile platforms to OS X iPhone. Not only does it hamper the growth of their competition but automatically gives the iPhone a leg up as a legitimate mobile platform among devices that already have a very loyal user-base (i.e.: Blackberry and Nokia). Especially if the OS X iPhone version is more refined and/or cheaper than the competition.
  • Reply 75 of 90
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    Excuse me while I pick my jaw off the floor! WOW



    Ditto! First let me say that that was an amazing and edifying story, that might help some of the rest of us recognize opportunity when we see it. (And I mean opportunity to be on the ground floor of something world-changing: unlike the whining I've been listening to for the last 25 years from a buddy of mine, who wanted to buy Braniff at 1/8, couldn't talk himself into it, and watched it go up to 6 1/2 before finally tanking forever.)



    I guess my point is the unpredictability of Fate. How could anyone have predicted then what would be going on now? I'm not just talking about the triumphant progress of technology or Steve Jobs, but the tragedies and setbacks he (and we) have been through. Without all of them we wouldn't be where we are. Steve Jobs had to be disabused (twice) of the notion that more than a few people would pay $10,000 for a desktop computer; and yet: if Lisa hadn't existed, the Mac would never have existed, and for better or worse, if the Mac had never existed, Windows would never have existed. If the Lisa debacle hadn't got Steve forced out of the company he created, the NeXT computer would never have existed, and then OS X would never have existed. Without all these low points that have had a lot of us on the point of despair over the years, the Apple of today (and tomorrow) wouldn't have been possible. And a nice, unopposed, linear development of the Apple ][ could never have gotten us here, either.



    So I, too, wish and hope that Steve Jobs is with us for a long time yet, both because he deserves it, after going through all the ups and downs of this wild ride that he (more than anybody) put us all on, and because (selfishly) I can't wait to see what happens next! Get well, Steve.



    And maxmann: don't beat yourself up for not predicting all this 30 years ago. If you had, you'd have been locked up in a rubber room!
  • Reply 76 of 90
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by maxmann View Post


    I don't remember much about them, or the computer except that I didn't get it.. and It was not attractive..



    If the future of the personal computer was obvious then it would have been mainstream much, much earlier. HP and Xerox didn't get it, either. In your defense, they really didn't have e good business model back then and there wasn't much you could do with the system. If I recall my history correctly, wasn't Woz working at Xerox-PARC at the time and had to give them first dibs on anything he created, which they gladly passed on after being shown a demonstration?
  • Reply 77 of 90
    tcltcl Posts: 18member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by vinea View Post


    Dig that hole deeper sweetheart. How's that shamrock thing?



    Didn't your mother teach you to leave pimples alone... if you keep messing with it, it just keeps coming back and eventually scars so you'll never be rid of it. Eventually, all the festering stuff inside this Irish quat will work its way to the surface and he'll, er, it'll just wash away
  • Reply 78 of 90
    nvidia2008nvidia2008 Posts: 9,262member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mac-sochist View Post


    OK, if we're going completely off-topic, let's embrace it! I've read SF for years about uploading your consciousness into hardware. Could somebody tell me, once some duplicate of you is running in silico, what good this does the original you, still trapped in a body that's going to die?



    That's a good question, isn't it? Who is *you* at this stage then... The in silico one or the body one. Would you know the difference if you then let the body one die, since *you* are now preserved and "alive" in silico? This is going to be *the* fundamental existentialist question that needs to be considered in the next few hundred years. Maybe once the in silico transfer happens, one would be compelled to euthanise the body as an act of compassion.



    Cloning at the body level currently would involve something like identical twins, where clearly they have separate identities and consciousness.



    Cloning the consciousness itself, boy, that's a pandora's box, is it not?



    iPhone 3000G : Take your loved one's consciousness with you everywhere you go.

    Roaming charges apply outside the Milky Way Galaxy. Five millenium contract required with AndromedaT&T. Time travel violates your warranty.
  • Reply 79 of 90
    nvidia2008nvidia2008 Posts: 9,262member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    You wrote, "[Apple is] going to screen out porn, malware, illegal apps, bandwidth hogs, etc.", immediately after you write, "Apple is not playing nanny." The two sentences are contradictory. Apple is most certainly are playing nanny, and with good reason...



    Apple is currently just very, very conservative, yet innovative. It is eclectic, mesmerising, and confounding, pretty much like Steve Jobs.
  • Reply 80 of 90
    cbswecbswe Posts: 116member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CREB View Post


    I do not give a damn about anything else listed in this topic other than Jobs health that I wish all the best. I have consistently owned a Mac for twenty-eight years straight, and both Jobs and the Woz both influenced my life.



    agreed, who cares about tomtom/GP...without Steve, Apple will be no more, so thank God Steve's OK and to hell with that other GP nonsense =)
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