This is great. Seems like a big improvement over Firefox 2. Loading, scrolling and navigating seems very fast. And finally the gui looks somewhat decent
Fantastic- super fast. Pictures snap on- unbelievable!
BUt the most important feature is, you get as always , a full screen of internet real estate by clicking the upper right hand button- something you could never do in Safari.
My beef is that if they've got the room to say OSX they've got the room to say 10.4 or newer. I'm running 10.3.9 on a Pismo. The system requirements should be up front somewhere.
EXACTLY! Then I wouldn't have had to waste an hour or so finding it doesn't work and running around hunting for a copy of the 2.0.0.14 .dmg file. I have a new iMac, which runs leopard, but I would hate having to switch back and forth to different versions of FF when I use the iBook.
Thanks, though I don't think the eye rolling emoticon is called for.
Perhaps it (Fotek2001's response, i.e., "Safari already has a 'restore session' option and it's been there since 3.0") wouldn't have been if your original statement, "Stable or not, that is a feature Safari should have already had. It's not like it would be hard to code," didn't sound so dissing in the first place.
Perhaps it (Fotek2001's response, i.e., "Safari already has a 'restore session' option and it's been there since 3.0") wouldn't have been if your original statement, "Stable or not, that is a feature Safari should have already had. It's not like it would be hard to code," didn't sound so dissing in the first place.
Speaking of coding- would it be that hard to code safari to expand to a full page like Firefox? .....just wondering.
No offense, but something must be wrong with your installation... I did not have a single Safari crash for at least three years and it is running at least 14 hours a day. Still, a re-open last session option would be great - it can be added using the Stand plug-in though and works pretty well.
You must look at very 'mild' web pages. I get frequent crashes as well, but usually when a site has too many plug-ins or some such (FF crashes as well, so it's not an anti-safari thing)
He didn't say which version of Safari he is using or which engine, Safari 4 and the new WebKit builds are faster than FF3. You can really see it on heavy JS pages, but the speed of the engine is evident on other pages. Though with today's internet speeds it's harder and hearder to see teh difference and if the stability is better (which seems to be a persistant issue with some people) and you use the extensions then FF is the only option.
It's good that we have so many great options these days.
I still don't have Firefox on the Mac. It's on my Vista laptop, but I still use Camino for the Mac. Haven't ever found anything better or faster or easier to look at.
I'm enjoying FF3 on my work PC. My thoughts so far...
The Good:
It is much faster than FF2. So much so that I have switched over to yahoo's web-app for mail instead of relying on their quicker loading classic mail interface. No longer does loading the new yahoo mail take 30 seconds... it is finally usable on this modest 1.7Ghz P4.
The Bad:
Why is it that the drop-down menu "back" history is now part of the "forward" button? Complete UI design idiocy if you ask me. I'm almost certain they'll have to fix this laughable interface regression. But at least it is an easy fix. Just move the damn drop-down menu for "back" history so that it is next to the "back" button.
EXACTLY! Then I wouldn't have had to waste an hour or so finding it doesn't work and running around hunting for a copy of the 2.0.0.14 .dmg file. I have a new iMac, which runs leopard, but I would hate having to switch back and forth to different versions of FF when I use the iBook.
This discussion has brought out several browser updates. I wanted to find out the optimum update for use with OS 10.3.9. I did searches several different ways but was unable to get an on-topic response, even from Apple. Is there somewhere else I should look?
Apple's new Snow Leopard will not work with PPCs. So at some point I will have to breakdown and buy at least one new machine.
In my experience, it seems to be related to Flash, and as such, may not even be entirely Apple's fault. (We've already been reading about issues with Adobe's Mac plug-in.)
I recall having problems with Flash in Safari too at one point. Are you on Leopard or Tiger? I'd suggest looking for a Flash update and check your video drivers too? My Flash crashing problems might have happened the time I tried out OS X on my PC actually. Yes very naughty but it convinced me that Mac was the way and I bought a Mac Mini straight away (and sold my PC!), then upgraded 12 months later to my Alu iMac 24"
I saw a few people disagreeing with me over Firefox not being able to keep up with Safari Javascript performance longer term. Thanks for pointing out that they're even at the moment (I didn't know that) but was I was meaning is that Safari has Squirrelfish (?) coming which is an entirely new bytecode compiled system for JavaScript. It already flies, but they reckon there's plenty of headroom left for optimisation. That's why I thought longer term Safari will be ahead again
I'll tell you what add-on I'm loving the most about the new Firefox3 besides the speed right now: No Squint. Look it up. It allows you to set text zoom and sizes for each individual website. So your fontsize presets that look good on one site but horrible on another are no longer an issue. This is a godsend for those of us with the small screens.
Another add-on I NEVER surf without is AdBlock Plus.
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The ones with Quicktime movies embedded in the page.
BUt the most important feature is, you get as always , a full screen of internet real estate by clicking the upper right hand button- something you could never do in Safari.
Highly recommended - so far.
My beef is that if they've got the room to say OSX they've got the room to say 10.4 or newer. I'm running 10.3.9 on a Pismo. The system requirements should be up front somewhere.
EXACTLY! Then I wouldn't have had to waste an hour or so finding it doesn't work and running around hunting for a copy of the 2.0.0.14 .dmg file. I have a new iMac, which runs leopard, but I would hate having to switch back and forth to different versions of FF when I use the iBook.
Thanks, though I don't think the eye rolling emoticon is called for.
Perhaps it (Fotek2001's response, i.e., "Safari already has a 'restore session' option and it's been there since 3.0") wouldn't have been if your original statement, "Stable or not, that is a feature Safari should have already had. It's not like it would be hard to code," didn't sound so dissing in the first place.
Perhaps it (Fotek2001's response, i.e., "Safari already has a 'restore session' option and it's been there since 3.0") wouldn't have been if your original statement, "Stable or not, that is a feature Safari should have already had. It's not like it would be hard to code," didn't sound so dissing in the first place.
Speaking of coding- would it be that hard to code safari to expand to a full page like Firefox? .....just wondering.
can you tell me what the hell i'm looking at.
I'd wager at your computer's screen.
No offense, but something must be wrong with your installation... I did not have a single Safari crash for at least three years and it is running at least 14 hours a day. Still, a re-open last session option would be great - it can be added using the Stand plug-in though and works pretty well.
You must look at very 'mild' web pages. I get frequent crashes as well, but usually when a site has too many plug-ins or some such (FF crashes as well, so it's not an anti-safari thing)
I MUCH rather safari.
Safari is soooo much faster!
Someone didn't actually try FF3
Someone didn't actually try FF3
He didn't say which version of Safari he is using or which engine, Safari 4 and the new WebKit builds are faster than FF3. You can really see it on heavy JS pages, but the speed of the engine is evident on other pages. Though with today's internet speeds it's harder and hearder to see teh difference and if the stability is better (which seems to be a persistant issue with some people) and you use the extensions then FF is the only option.
It's good that we have so many great options these days.
I MUCH rather safari.
Safari is soooo much faster!
I don't think soooo.
I find Safari and FF3 to be about the same in terms of rendering speed. It's fast enough that I don't care anymore.
Why not go download FireFox 3.0, try it out and then come back and make an *intelligent* (non-trolling), post that's actually on topic?
Hey dumb-a**, you're aware that FF3 has been available as beta for a while now, aren't you?
The Good:
It is much faster than FF2. So much so that I have switched over to yahoo's web-app for mail instead of relying on their quicker loading classic mail interface. No longer does loading the new yahoo mail take 30 seconds... it is finally usable on this modest 1.7Ghz P4.
The Bad:
Why is it that the drop-down menu "back" history is now part of the "forward" button? Complete UI design idiocy if you ask me. I'm almost certain they'll have to fix this laughable interface regression. But at least it is an easy fix. Just move the damn drop-down menu for "back" history so that it is next to the "back" button.
EXACTLY! Then I wouldn't have had to waste an hour or so finding it doesn't work and running around hunting for a copy of the 2.0.0.14 .dmg file. I have a new iMac, which runs leopard, but I would hate having to switch back and forth to different versions of FF when I use the iBook.
This discussion has brought out several browser updates. I wanted to find out the optimum update for use with OS 10.3.9. I did searches several different ways but was unable to get an on-topic response, even from Apple. Is there somewhere else I should look?
Apple's new Snow Leopard will not work with PPCs. So at some point I will have to breakdown and buy at least one new machine.
In my experience, it seems to be related to Flash, and as such, may not even be entirely Apple's fault. (We've already been reading about issues with Adobe's Mac plug-in.)
I recall having problems with Flash in Safari too at one point. Are you on Leopard or Tiger? I'd suggest looking for a Flash update and check your video drivers too? My Flash crashing problems might have happened the time I tried out OS X on my PC actually. Yes very naughty but it convinced me that Mac was the way and I bought a Mac Mini straight away (and sold my PC!), then upgraded 12 months later to my Alu iMac 24"
I saw a few people disagreeing with me over Firefox not being able to keep up with Safari Javascript performance longer term. Thanks for pointing out that they're even at the moment (I didn't know that) but was I was meaning is that Safari has Squirrelfish (?) coming which is an entirely new bytecode compiled system for JavaScript. It already flies, but they reckon there's plenty of headroom left for optimisation. That's why I thought longer term Safari will be ahead again
Apple's new Snow Leopard will not work with PPCs. So at some point I will have to breakdown and buy at least one new machine.
The Developer Preview does not support PPC macs. No announcement has been made about the actual release.
Another add-on I NEVER surf without is AdBlock Plus.