JDK 1.4 -- WHEN?!?!
Does anyone know when (if ever) Apple is going to support JDK 1.4? Our development shop is switching to JDK 1.4 and OS X only supports 1.3.1. JDK 1.4 has been released for months and has been in beta for over a year and a half. But OS X has neither the beta nor the released version of JDK 1.4. If I could at least get a beta for JDK 1.4 I could continue to use my Mac at work. If not, it looks like I'm going to have to drop the Mac for work related purposes. I also know a number of other developers who are interested in OS X but the lack of JDK 1.4 is a serious turn-off (and for many, a showstopper). What is incredibly frustrating about this is Apple is saying absolutely nothing about JDK 1.4. Avie in Xserve interview mentioned that it was coming but condescendingly stated that it was none of our business as to when it was coming. This attitude is really frustrating. I want to use the Mac but if they can't support the version of Java that many work places are using I won't be able to use it. This is really unfortunate.
The lack of information about JDK 1.4 out of Apple is what is the most frustrating of all.
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The lack of information about JDK 1.4 out of Apple is what is the most frustrating of all.
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The lack of information about JDK 1.4 out of Apple is what is the most frustrating of all.
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Please fill me in; what's the big advantage of JDK 1.4 over the current 1.3.1?
Thanks
-Snowster
That's the business/enterprise world.
That, or right your local Congressman and/or Senator and demand him to force Apple to get up to the times.
Is it a lack of resources on Apple's part? Surely Apples' WebObjects people are also less than happy about this...at least one would hope so.
Then again, maybe they expect you to ssh to a pc for java dev. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
cheers,
Justin
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Altogether I think Apple is doing a pretty good job in an increasingly adversarial relationship. Also, Linux ports of their first 2 JDKs were 18 months and a year behind due to growing pains. Apple having the second out in the 6-9 month window while simultaneously strengthening the remaining weak spots of 1.3.1 looks pretty good to me.
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...and it is highly probable that the linux ports (blackdown etc) would have remained far behind official releases had Sun not chosen to take on that responsibility itself.
i'm sorry, but I don't see how someone looking at java support on osx long term (or short term) can be smiling.
if the relationship between sun and apple is as you say, then those using osx are likely to be second class citizens in the java dev community (ala os9).
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'cause I dunno.
Now, Apple's going after low hanging fruit in Education with Xserve, that's gotta piss off Sun, it's great for me however, being a WebObjects guy ... it'd be nice to see that technology getting more face time than it currently does
with the suits, when it comes to deciding which golf course buddy's recommendation they're going to go with ...
... but if Sun's got their Web App server solution, and Apple's got theirs (WO) ... and now they're starting to duke it out for real in the
server market thanks to Xserve ... how can Apple safely carve a beach-head for itself when it uses Sun technology and Sun's hurting for breathing room right now, just when Apple's looking for more pie?
I mean "Rah-Rah Apple!" and all that, I seriously hope I didn't just waste the last few years of my life learning WebObjects ... ok, it's not that bad, I'm sure WO will survive in some form regardless of the Java scenario ...
But alas, will it thrive? 'cause I'm not getting any younger, and damn it'd be nice to be able to afford a life.
(yes, in that regard, I'm aware typing long winded pieces on message boards isn't helping my cause much, but still, work with me here people ...)
<strong>The big $$ though are in J2EE JDK's that run about $2k per seat.</strong><hr></blockquote>
How can there be free J2EE servers then?
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It's main competition right now is is WebObjects and .net.</strong><hr></blockquote>
sun's main competition in the app server market is most definitely NOT webobjects (check the market shares of weblogic and websphere).
why should sun "help" apple with java on osx? if apple cant keep up with the current state of the java community (because they're not prepared to commit the resources, etc), then I cant see why sun should help.
if I was developing server-side on osx this would concern me.
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why should sun "help" apple with java on osx?</strong><hr></blockquote>
To sell more Java liscences I presume? Or have we got this all wrong ? .... damn, where's Yoda when you need 'em? Where's JYD? Aw hell, guess it's just me and the bottle tonight dear... uuuuurp.
Oh, well, maybe that's harsh, but I would presume (and plese don't shoot the messenger of the presumer - go figure) that Sun, would be interested in spreading the Joy of Java (O'Reilly Book #1237, got the picture of Betty Page ... With-a-Spear ... on the cover, ohhhhh, and what a supple wrist in that inkwork, boy I'll tell ya ... darn those damn-dirty O'Reilly Etchmen!) and making a profit with a gift that - thru liscencing - may keep on giving, god willin'.
So - and I'm hoping this might spark a tingle - what has Sun got to loose if they've got a plan already where they might, one day, make more money liscencing Java than selling it "direct" ...
... I mean, that was considered from the beginning, wasn't it? ... wasn't it?
apple has to do the pushing here folks...and it doesn't appear as if they're really that committed. things may change, but apples' java track record is far from good.
who else can see webobject reverting back to to a cocoa/objective-c runtime?