People are complaining in large numbers about private beta versions that Apple hasn't released and are under NDA?
Or are you confusing 10.5.3 with 10.5.4?
Are you using the private beta of 10.5.4? This article is about 10.5.4, not about Tiger. Past bugs fixed in 10.5.4 would do nothing to improve your PAST experiences--you'll have to wait until you are actually using 10.5.4 to judge those fixes.
This article is ONLY talking about 10.5.4, and mention of bugs fixed in the past refers to bugs fixed in the many previous seeds of 10.5.4.
The current OS is 10.5.3.
(Also Apple only claims to have fixed bugs that have been caught, I'm sure. Bugs that have never even been caught will have to be fixed another day No OS will ever be perfect.)
Miss the point much?
I have zero complaints, but there are a lot of people complaining, seriously are they all making it up? if they are running bata then what do they expect, but it seems to be people running the latest GENERAL PUBLIC Leopard updates, and if they are having problems then I hope to hell that 10.5.4 fixes them.
BTW have you stopped folding? seems like you've made little movement recently.
so are all the complaints that people post in forums just made up then apple?
"No known issues" doesn't mean the software isn't completely bug free. It means that they've addressed the issues they planned on addressing in this particular update, and there are no new known bugs.
Since when does Leopard take longer to boot? It boots rather quickly for me???
Indeed, same here. Difference with Tiger is marginal, and since it isn't a clean install but update from Tiger to Leopard, I ain't complaining.
Besides, they're only at .3 people. You can't compare a .11 30 month developed and tested Tiger to a relatively new Leopard. Was .3 Tiger so perfect? I guess not.
Oh, so the Sleep issues my MacBook and MacPro have had since Tiger are only in my imagination because--as quoted above--Apple has taken care of all bugs in the past.
Sorry Apple Discussion moderators, my bad. It's not that Apple makes bad products, it's that God makes bad users.
What were your sleep issues? Did you try taking it to an Apple Store?
I work in an IT shop & we have had 1 or 2 Macs that had sleep issues & both are hardware related. There is a little magnet in the laptop screen that the Mac uses to detect when the lid is closed. If the sensor that detects the magnet is broken or the connection on the little power management board not being fully made the laptop will often fail to fall asleep when closed or may wake up unexpectedly while closed.
If you are having issues like this try going to the Apple menu & choosing sleep & see if the issues persist. If they don't then it is likely a hardware issue. Manually sleeping requires a key to be pressed for it to wake.
We also had someone once who thought his computer wasn't waking from sleep but it turned out he kept letting his battery die, but didn't realize it had died & so he plugged it in & let it charge. When he went to open it the computer remained off. He pressed the power button & it wasn't responding as he expected so he pressed it again, effectively shutting it back off. Then when he pressed it a 3rd time it was booting instead of resuming, confirming his suspicion that it was randomly shutting off on him.
We showed him the error of his ways & he never had the issue again.
Indeed, same here. Difference with Tiger is marginal, and since it isn't a clean install but update from Tiger to Leopard, I ain't complaining.
Besides, they're only at .3 people. You can't compare a .11 30 month developed and tested Tiger to a relatively new Leopard. Was .3 Tiger so perfect? I guess not.
I really am curious how many of the people still having issues are on PPC. Our IT shop is almost 100% Intel & the only Leopard issues we've had were on PPC.
Here's to hoping the DHCP DNS bug is fixed. Somehow I doubt it though.
Apple seems to give this kind of thing low priority. Just curious, are you talking about the problem where OS X won't properly communicate back to the DNS server and update DNS records when necessary? I used to have that problem and it would frequently identify my machine as some other machine on the same network. It was enough to drive me crazy at times.
If so, I found a temporary fix for that by hardcoding the machine name in /etc/hostconfig. It's sad when you have to fix a Mac problem by digging into the Unix stuff, but it seems to work very well and our DNS entries update properly for the Macs now.
I really am curious how many of the people still having issues are on PPC. Our IT shop is almost 100% Intel & the only Leopard issues we've had were on PPC.
Personally I had no issues other than speed on my 12" PowerBook, whereas I have plenty of intermittent and consistent ones on my Feb '08 MacBook Pro: various on-going sleep and wake-from-sleep issues, graphical corruption all around the place (seemingly also related to sleep), FTP share browsing issues (yes I know), and the menubar not updating properly.
And then of course there are the straight bug issues. I've listed and sent feedback on many but my favourite is the fact that the iTunes dashboard widget still does not work properly; personally I don't think it ever will.
What exactly are you grandfathered into. The unlimited/unlimited data package for the iPhone was $20 and will be $30. The $70 price includes minutes.
As for the generalizations of Americans I might be offended if I understood what you meant by that statement.
solipsism, I've been with AT&T since the beginning of the Cingular generation of their company (many years). The VOICE plan that I am on currently ($29.95) is no longer available, and is therefore referred to by AT&T as a grandfather plan. They don't have any voice plans any more which are this low. Even with 5MB of data AND minutes, my current total plan maxes out at around $45.00 plus taxes and fees. The iPhone is around $70. My point is that AT&T and Apple should give people more control over how much data and minutes they allow themselves to use and this would allow for lower prices. For those of us that are able to curb our appetite for surfing when we're not around our hardwired computers, we could more easily afford the iPhone.
Oh, and by the way, that $45 also includes 1500 text messages. Does the iPhone's $70 plan include texts?
325 anytime minutes, 1000 night & weekend minutes starting at 8PM, 5MB internet, 1500 text messages, no roaming or long distance (not important to me), all for $45 plus taxes and fees. Using a Treo 650.
325 anytime minutes, 1000 night & weekend minutes starting at 8PM, 5MB internet, 1500 text messages, no roaming or long distance (not important to me), all for $45 plus taxes and fees. Using a Treo 650.
I'm glad your plan works for you, but I think most people want and need a national roaming plan that includes long distance so the comparison is apples and oranges.
The iPhone's unlimited/unlimited data plan includes 200 SMS, which seems odd to me as SMS at a 160 character max is the smaller amount of data one would use on a cell network. Instead, I send emails, whose headers are considerably larger.
Except for the SMS, you really do get a lot more for that extra $15 a month. Even when the difference goes to $25 a month. But, if you don't ever roam, call long distance, prefer to carry a separate PMP, or are a heavy internet user than your plan would be ideal.
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People are complaining in large numbers about private beta versions that Apple hasn't released and are under NDA?
Or are you confusing 10.5.3 with 10.5.4?
Are you using the private beta of 10.5.4? This article is about 10.5.4, not about Tiger. Past bugs fixed in 10.5.4 would do nothing to improve your PAST experiences--you'll have to wait until you are actually using 10.5.4 to judge those fixes.
This article is ONLY talking about 10.5.4, and mention of bugs fixed in the past refers to bugs fixed in the many previous seeds of 10.5.4.
The current OS is 10.5.3.
(Also Apple only claims to have fixed bugs that have been caught, I'm sure. Bugs that have never even been caught will have to be fixed another day
Miss the point much?
I have zero complaints, but there are a lot of people complaining, seriously are they all making it up? if they are running bata then what do they expect, but it seems to be people running the latest GENERAL PUBLIC Leopard updates, and if they are having problems then I hope to hell that 10.5.4 fixes them.
BTW have you stopped folding? seems like you've made little movement recently.
Let's just hope those MobileMe servers are faster than .Mac! Sooo slow. Come on Apple, I got the need for speed!.
I hope so. And they better have an SSL server too. Not being able to securely log into mac.com always boggled.
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so are all the complaints that people post in forums just made up then apple?
"No known issues" doesn't mean the software isn't completely bug free. It means that they've addressed the issues they planned on addressing in this particular update, and there are no new known bugs.
No need to be melodramatic about it.
Since when does Leopard take longer to boot? It boots rather quickly for me???
Indeed, same here. Difference with Tiger is marginal, and since it isn't a clean install but update from Tiger to Leopard, I ain't complaining.
Besides, they're only at .3 people. You can't compare a .11 30 month developed and tested Tiger to a relatively new Leopard. Was .3 Tiger so perfect? I guess not.
Oh, so the Sleep issues my MacBook and MacPro have had since Tiger are only in my imagination because--as quoted above--Apple has taken care of all bugs in the past.
Sorry Apple Discussion moderators, my bad. It's not that Apple makes bad products, it's that God makes bad users.
What were your sleep issues? Did you try taking it to an Apple Store?
I work in an IT shop & we have had 1 or 2 Macs that had sleep issues & both are hardware related. There is a little magnet in the laptop screen that the Mac uses to detect when the lid is closed. If the sensor that detects the magnet is broken or the connection on the little power management board not being fully made the laptop will often fail to fall asleep when closed or may wake up unexpectedly while closed.
If you are having issues like this try going to the Apple menu & choosing sleep & see if the issues persist. If they don't then it is likely a hardware issue. Manually sleeping requires a key to be pressed for it to wake.
We also had someone once who thought his computer wasn't waking from sleep but it turned out he kept letting his battery die, but didn't realize it had died & so he plugged it in & let it charge. When he went to open it the computer remained off. He pressed the power button & it wasn't responding as he expected so he pressed it again, effectively shutting it back off. Then when he pressed it a 3rd time it was booting instead of resuming, confirming his suspicion that it was randomly shutting off on him.
We showed him the error of his ways & he never had the issue again.
Apple is losing it. What new bugs will this update have? I wont be able to save an InDesign file to the local HD this time.
whatever, another nail in the coffin.
If you are an Apple user, please get a PC & leave the rest of us happy fellows alone.
Nail in the coffin? You apparently don't follow computer trends cause Apple is far from dying.
Indeed, same here. Difference with Tiger is marginal, and since it isn't a clean install but update from Tiger to Leopard, I ain't complaining.
Besides, they're only at .3 people. You can't compare a .11 30 month developed and tested Tiger to a relatively new Leopard. Was .3 Tiger so perfect? I guess not.
I really am curious how many of the people still having issues are on PPC. Our IT shop is almost 100% Intel & the only Leopard issues we've had were on PPC.
For a company that makes the OS and HW, simple things like that should "just work".
Here's to hoping the DHCP DNS bug is fixed. Somehow I doubt it though.
Apple seems to give this kind of thing low priority. Just curious, are you talking about the problem where OS X won't properly communicate back to the DNS server and update DNS records when necessary? I used to have that problem and it would frequently identify my machine as some other machine on the same network. It was enough to drive me crazy at times.
If so, I found a temporary fix for that by hardcoding the machine name in /etc/hostconfig. It's sad when you have to fix a Mac problem by digging into the Unix stuff, but it seems to work very well and our DNS entries update properly for the Macs now.
I really am curious how many of the people still having issues are on PPC. Our IT shop is almost 100% Intel & the only Leopard issues we've had were on PPC.
Personally I had no issues other than speed on my 12" PowerBook, whereas I have plenty of intermittent and consistent ones on my Feb '08 MacBook Pro: various on-going sleep and wake-from-sleep issues, graphical corruption all around the place (seemingly also related to sleep), FTP share browsing issues (yes I know), and the menubar not updating properly.
And then of course there are the straight bug issues. I've listed and sent feedback on many but my favourite is the fact that the iTunes dashboard widget still does not work properly; personally I don't think it ever will.
What exactly are you grandfathered into. The unlimited/unlimited data package for the iPhone was $20 and will be $30. The $70 price includes minutes.
As for the generalizations of Americans I might be offended if I understood what you meant by that statement.
solipsism, I've been with AT&T since the beginning of the Cingular generation of their company (many years). The VOICE plan that I am on currently ($29.95) is no longer available, and is therefore referred to by AT&T as a grandfather plan. They don't have any voice plans any more which are this low. Even with 5MB of data AND minutes, my current total plan maxes out at around $45.00 plus taxes and fees. The iPhone is around $70. My point is that AT&T and Apple should give people more control over how much data and minutes they allow themselves to use and this would allow for lower prices. For those of us that are able to curb our appetite for surfing when we're not around our hardwired computers, we could more easily afford the iPhone.
Oh, and by the way, that $45 also includes 1500 text messages. Does the iPhone's $70 plan include texts?
325 anytime minutes, 1000 night & weekend minutes starting at 8PM, 5MB internet, 1500 text messages, no roaming or long distance (not important to me), all for $45 plus taxes and fees. Using a Treo 650.
325 anytime minutes, 1000 night & weekend minutes starting at 8PM, 5MB internet, 1500 text messages, no roaming or long distance (not important to me), all for $45 plus taxes and fees. Using a Treo 650.
I'm glad your plan works for you, but I think most people want and need a national roaming plan that includes long distance so the comparison is apples and oranges.
The iPhone's unlimited/unlimited data plan includes 200 SMS, which seems odd to me as SMS at a 160 character max is the smaller amount of data one would use on a cell network. Instead, I send emails, whose headers are considerably larger.
Except for the SMS, you really do get a lot more for that extra $15 a month. Even when the difference goes to $25 a month. But, if you don't ever roam, call long distance, prefer to carry a separate PMP, or are a heavy internet user than your plan would be ideal.