Customers spending between £10 to £14 per month can add 500 minutes of bonus calling time whenever they call from a registered postcode, such as their homes or offices;
So, I wonder how many postcode locations you can register? and how you do so?
If so I'll register home (it's also my office), the pub, the cafe...
If they only allow two, then can't you just ring them up and change locations when you want?
I suspect I'll just go for the free texts though.
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Those prices include unlimited browsing and Wi-Fi for the first six months after customers activate the phone, but are discontinued after the initial period. Customers will afterwards need to spend an extra £10 per month beyond their prepaid voice to maintain the unlimited data access.
Nice bonus.
So, that means that if you spend £10 a month PAYG and get free data, then £20 a month, an 8GB iPhone will cost £599 over 18 months. That's cheaper than the £30 a month contract tariff that comes in at £639.
If you're not bothered about data and don't use it much for outgoing calls then you're on a winner even if you have to occasionally add a tenner to get data free when you want it.
Totally sold. No contract. No silly credit check fuck ups and the price is ok.
I dont see any price plans on the page after I hit the link in the post, am I the only one or O2 has pull the details down?
I can't see them anywhere either. The prices listed look the same as O2's normal pay as you go price plan but if you compare the contract prices the iPhone has a £10 premium (presumably for all those extra "free" features). Im wondering if the tariffs air either wrong and the normal page had got linked to by mistake or they've decided that there wont be any way of stopping customers just sticking a normal pay as you go sim chip in the phone and therefor have to offer the normal prices.
Sounding good to me, I was having a hard time trying to justify the extra monthly price and 18 month contract for something that im mostly going to use to send a couple of text messages a day.
I think that there is going to be a great deal of disappointed people out there who don't follow these forums, and just don't understand that the retail price is in fact going to be much greater than they thought. $199 with a contract, probably $600 + without? I haven't heard wether or not the phone is even available without a contract in the US, though I'm guessing by law, it has to be? \
I think becuase of Apple's new wholesale model and unsubed, unlocked phone is a matter of time. Some people just don't like contracts (like me). I have to assume the full retail price will be close to $1000 given that the wholesale price seems to be about $500 and retail is usually 50%. But this is electronics so I can imagine it will be in the range of $700-900, much like the N95.
I do not think this is the case now. It appears here in Finland that the iPhones have to be sold unlocked. But they are still part of a contract. Sonera has not released much info but my friends say that they will be unlocked, and the prices should be around 250/350 Euro respectively for the 8/16 gig models.
Carriers in Finland cannot simlock GSM phones by law, but they can simlock 3G phones.
Carriers in Finland cannot simlock GSM phones by law, but they can simlock 3G phones.
True, but Finnish carriers must, upon completion of the contract provide SIM a unlocking service with no fee, and must continue to offer that free service for at least 2 years following the termination of the contract. The contract itself must not exceed two years, and it must be possible to terminate the contract early with 2 weeks' notice if the subscriber's financial situation changes through "mostly no fault of his or her own".
True, but Finnish carriers must, upon completion of the contract, or at the latest after 2 years from the date of purchase, (whichever comes first) provide SIM a unlocking service with no fee.
(Finland's Communications Market Act, Section 70 as amended for 3G phones, paragraph 6)
Sweet catch. I was told by my friend from Sonera that if you buy out your contract, they will also unlock it on the spot. The contracts we have here in Finland between the State Department and various service venders stipulate that there be an out clause. Either way, I do not think the Finns, who are used to paying full price anyway, will go for locked phones. Many here have said already that if the phones are locked, they will stay on the shelves.
Sweet catch. I was told by my friend from Sonera that if you buy out your contract, they will also unlock it on the spot. The contracts we have here in Finland between the State Department and various service venders stipulate that there be an out clause. Either way, I do not think the Finns, who are used to paying full price anyway, will go for locked phones. Many here have said already that if the phones are locked, they will stay on the shelves.
If the Finns are going to buy full price unlocked iphones --- they ain't going to be priced at 250/300 euro as you suggested.
Numerous websites have said that the Italian carriers are not simlocking their PAYG iphones. I don't know if that's the truth or not because I don't speak Italian so I can't check the original news source.
So if the Finns are buying the iphone completely unlocked --- then expect to pay the Italian price.
If the Finns are going to buy full price unlocked iphones --- they ain't going to be priced at 250/300 euro as you suggested.
Numerous websites have said that the Italian carriers are not simlocking their PAYG iphones. I don't know if that's the truth or not because I don't speak Italian so I can't check the original news source.
So if the Finns are buying the iphone completely unlocked --- then expect to pay the Italian price.
I bought an N82 at the "Finnish" price so what is the difference with an iPhone? If I want it, I buy it. Very simple.
I bought an N82 at the "Finnish" price so what is the difference with an iPhone? If I want it, I buy it. Very simple.
Yes, it is that simple. I don't have a problem with that --- you are an adult and you can buy whatever you want.
What I have problems with is that your price projection in Finland --- is based on the UK PAYG iphone price, but the PAYG iphone in UK is simlocked.
You can't have it both ways. Either accept the UK price as the base in Finland and expect a simlocked iphone in Finland. Or accept the Italian price as the base in Finland and expect a unlocked iphone in Finland.
Yes, it is that simple. I don't have a problem with that --- you are an adult and you can buy whatever you want.
What I have problems with is that your price projection in Finland --- is based on the UK PAYG iphone price, but the PAYG iphone in UK is simlocked.
You can't have it both ways. Either accept the UK price as the base in Finland and expect a simlocked iphone in Finland. Or accept the Italian price as the base in Finland and expect a unlocked iphone in Finland.
Uhhhh. I really do not want to go down this road so this will be my last post in regards to this. Let's look at the facts. I said a "friend" told me this. I did not say I made the prices. I passed on a piece of info that seems to have given you pause, and for all intent purposes, has you annoyed, confused, perplexed, unhappy, etc... I am not really sure of your emotions, but from what you say, you have a problem with those price projections. What do you propose to do about this? You can call: +358 20401 and let them know how you feel. I am not really sure what I can do for you. For me it is simple as this. Either way my phone comes, I have friends that will unlock it at Sonera. So... I will get an iPhone for as cheap as possible without a simlock. You make the mistake of telling me I can not have it both ways, but it looks like I will. Your argument is rather moot in that you are forcing me to accept your way of thinking, but you don't seem to get this. I don't have to accept anything unless I choose to.
Dude, I am not trying to sound hard, but you need to take a look at what you wrote about me having to accept this and that. Take a Mulligan and do it over if you like.
Uhhhh. I really do not want to go down this road so this will be my last post in regards to this. Let's look at the facts. I said a "friend" told me this. I did not say I made the prices. I passed on a piece of info that seems to have given you pause, and for all intent purposes, has you annoyed, confused, perplexed, unhappy, etc... I am not really sure of your emotions, but from what you say, you have a problem with those price projections. What do you propose to do about this? You can call: +358 20401 and let them know how you feel. I am not really sure what I can do for you. For me it is simple as this. Either way my phone comes, I have friends that will unlock it at Sonera. So... I will get an iPhone for as cheap as possible without a simlock. You make the mistake of telling me I can not have it both ways, but it looks like I will. Your argument is rather moot in that you are forcing me to accept your way of thinking, but you don't seem to get this. I don't have to accept anything unless I choose to.
Dude, I am not trying to sound hard, but you need to take a look at what you wrote about me having to accept this and that. Take a Mulligan and do it over if you like.
If I accept your argument --- then the only way you can do it is because you have a friend who is working for a Finnish carrier who is willing to break a few internal coporate rules to unlock the phone for you.
Why don't you ask your friend how much money to get out of iphone contract? If they don't have ETF then you have to pay the rest of the contract.
Your argument is rather moot that it only works if you have a friend who is an insider who can slip you the unlocking code.
If I accept your argument --- then the only way you can do it is because you have a friend who is working for a Finnish carrier who is willing to break a few internal coporate rules to unlock the phone for you.
Why don't you ask your friend how much money to get out of iphone contract? If they don't have ETF then you have to pay the rest of the contract.
Your argument is rather moot that it only works if you have a friend who is an insider who can slip you the unlocking code.
1. Go back to post #17 and point out where I said I am making the pricing policy. You are arguing with a ghost. I said, and will say again, and hopefully you will understand it this time. My friend told me this. He could be wrong. The pricing could be lower, higher, free give aways. Who knows for sure. It was what he told me, and either way I could not care less.
2. You seem to think that I care if you accept an argument that I never put forth. This argument only exists in your mind. I never said the words in the way you are trying to attribute to me. If he is willing to unlock a phone for me this is my biz and his problem, but you seem a bit jealous by me having this option.
3. I don't have to ask my friend how money to get out of the iPhone contract. I DON'T CARE. I just don't. I already know that I will not have to pay full price for the contract. I hope this is clear by now.
4. Once again, you ascribe and argument to me that I never started. You seem to not understand that I never said any of this is based on fact but on what a friend told me. It is yours to believe or not believe. Once again, I don't care.
By the way, I know I said I would not go down this road to no where but I did. I hope that we are clearer than clear on this. If you have a problem with the pricing models that could or could not be true, please, please, please call Sonera and tell them how you feel. I am sure they will be interested in what you have to say. Make sure you mention that you have it on good authority that someone will have their iPhone unlocked (if it is locked) without paying the full price, or contract subscription, or whatever. Let em know what's on your mind.
I think you are the one arguing with a ghost. Start from my comment #12.
I said $600 iphone from O2 is simlocked. I said Finland doesn't have anti-simlocking laws on 3G phones. I said that Italian carriers (according to unconfirmed news reports) that they are selling unlocked PAYG iphones for a price that is higher that the $600 simlocked PAYG O2 iphone.
All my comments are factually correct. Why are you arguing with them?
I think you are the one arguing with a ghost. Start from my comment #12.
I said $600 iphone from O2 is simlocked. I said Finland doesn't have anti-simlocking laws on 3G phones. I said that Italian carriers (according to unconfirmed news reports) that they are selling unlocked PAYG iphones for a price that is higher that the $600 simlocked PAYG O2 iphone.
All my comments are factually correct. Why are you arguing with them?
Someone corrected and explained things to you in post #27. I simply complemented on his post. You then jumped on my post complementing him. You then started to tell me that I have to accept your premise about unconfirmed new reports. Then you seemed to get annoyed because I guess you will have to abide by a contract and I will not have to. So be it. All of the pricing are speculative because why, wait for it, because I put forth the caveat that my friend said so. This would make him about as credible as your unconfirmed new sources. The only fact that I have is that I will not have to worry about if my iPhone is locked or unlocked. It was you that had a problem with the quoted, unconfirmed Finnish prices, not me. I gave you a phone number to call to express your displeasure about this. I do notice how you tend to move the goal posts when confronted with your own words, but that's okay. I am truly done with this.
The gentleman in Finland yields the remainder of his minutes to the floor. Go nuts.
Someone corrected and explained things to you in post #27. I simply complemented on his post. You then jumped on my post complementing him. You then started to tell me that I have to accept your premise about unconfirmed new reports. Then you seemed to get annoyed because I guess you will have to abide by a contract and I will not have to. So be it. All of the pricing are speculative because why, wait for it, because I put forth the caveat that my friend said so. This would make him about as credible as your unconfirmed new sources. The only fact that I have is that I will not have to worry about if my iPhone is locked or unlocked. It was you that had a problem with the quoted, unconfirmed Finnish prices, not me. I gave you a phone number to call to express your displeasure about this. I do notice how you tend to move the goal posts when confronted with your own words, but that's okay. I am truly done with this.
The gentleman in Finland yields the remainder of his minutes to the floor. Go nuts.
He didn't correct me at all. What I said was correct and he was just expanding on what I said (and giving actual source).
And you know what? Those laws aren't that useful at all. Aside from the iphone, AT&T Wireless and T-Mobile USA provide unlocking codes after 90 days for free --- without any legislation. Same old 2 year contract whether in Finland or US. Finnish laws give you a "get out of jail" card if you are sick or unemployed --- but's that's about it with the Finlish laws.
You said something about the State Department --- so I am going to assume you work for them and have a diplomatic passport. Why don't you say that I must be annoyed at you because you have diplomatic immunity and can ignore any laws in Finland?
He didn't correct me at all. What I said was correct and he was just expanding on what I said (and giving actual source).
And you know what? Those laws aren't that useful at all. Aside from the iphone, AT&T Wireless and T-Mobile USA provide unlocking codes after 90 days for free --- without any legislation. Same old 2 year contract whether in Finland or US. Finnish laws give you a "get out of jail" card if you are sick or unemployed --- but's that's about it with the Finlish laws.
You said something about the State Department --- so I am going to assume you work for them and have a diplomatic passport. Why don't you say that I must be annoyed at you because you have diplomatic immunity and can ignore any laws in Finland?
You are wrong my friend. Black passport, red passport, or even the blue ones have to obey the law. I pay parking tickets just like the Finns.
You are wrong my friend. Black passport, red passport, or even the blue ones have to obey the law. I pay parking tickets just like the Finns.
Of course, you should obey the law --- even if you have a diplomatic passport.
But all I hear from you is I don't care about this and I don't care about that. I don't care about the regular people paying full price for the iphone. I don't care about the regular people paying the rest of the contract in order to get out of contract. I don't care about the regular people paying for the unlocking codes.....
Of course, you should obey the law --- even if you have a diplomatic passport.
But all I hear from you is I don't care about this and I don't care about that. I don't care about the regular people paying full price for the iphone. I don't care about the regular people paying the rest of the contract in order to get out of contract. I don't care about the regular people paying for the unlocking codes.....
Well, in terms of a phone. I really don't care. It is a simple matter of: "If you do not like the price, don't buy the phone". We are not talking about world hunger, or terrorism or the price of gasoline. We are talking about a luxury item, so no, I do not care who gets one and who doesn't. Give me something that will change my life and someone else and chances are I will care, but about a phone. No. Sorry, it does not register on my "I give a crap-o-meter". If someone else was in the same position, I do not think they would care either. If you had the chance to choose between getting an unlocked iPhone for a cheap price or having to subscribe and getting the cheaper price, you would take the cheap iPhone. I am sorry but I have a hard time with your righteous indignation. Sooooo before you start to point a finger, maybe you should look at how many are coming back in your direction. There is no one here that will say: "No, no. I want to pay full price for a fully unlocked iPhone unless you will unlock them all for the publicum". Your argument rings rather hollow, and is rotted in jealousy.
Anyway, you can have a look at this as well and attribute this to me if you want.
Does anyone have any insight as to whether the iPhone 1st Gen will be able to 'go legit.'?
What I mean is that I have a jailbroken phone, but still on O2 using Pay As You Go, and because of that am very wary of any software updates (whether its worth the hassle up unlocking/jailbreaking again) and Id love to be free of this and although Id miss some of the apps Id much prefer to be able to not be concerned everytime apple upgrades the software.
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Customers spending between £10 to £14 per month can add 500 minutes of bonus calling time whenever they call from a registered postcode, such as their homes or offices;
So, I wonder how many postcode locations you can register? and how you do so?
If so I'll register home (it's also my office), the pub, the cafe...
If they only allow two, then can't you just ring them up and change locations when you want?
I suspect I'll just go for the free texts though.
Those prices include unlimited browsing and Wi-Fi for the first six months after customers activate the phone, but are discontinued after the initial period. Customers will afterwards need to spend an extra £10 per month beyond their prepaid voice to maintain the unlimited data access.
Nice bonus.
So, that means that if you spend £10 a month PAYG and get free data, then £20 a month, an 8GB iPhone will cost £599 over 18 months. That's cheaper than the £30 a month contract tariff that comes in at £639.
If you're not bothered about data and don't use it much for outgoing calls then you're on a winner even if you have to occasionally add a tenner to get data free when you want it.
Totally sold. No contract. No silly credit check fuck ups and the price is ok.
I dont see any price plans on the page after I hit the link in the post, am I the only one or O2 has pull the details down?
I can't see them anywhere either. The prices listed look the same as O2's normal pay as you go price plan but if you compare the contract prices the iPhone has a £10 premium (presumably for all those extra "free" features). Im wondering if the tariffs air either wrong and the normal page had got linked to by mistake or they've decided that there wont be any way of stopping customers just sticking a normal pay as you go sim chip in the phone and therefor have to offer the normal prices.
Sounding good to me, I was having a hard time trying to justify the extra monthly price and 18 month contract for something that im mostly going to use to send a couple of text messages a day.
I think that there is going to be a great deal of disappointed people out there who don't follow these forums, and just don't understand that the retail price is in fact going to be much greater than they thought. $199 with a contract, probably $600 + without? I haven't heard wether or not the phone is even available without a contract in the US, though I'm guessing by law, it has to be?
I think becuase of Apple's new wholesale model and unsubed, unlocked phone is a matter of time. Some people just don't like contracts (like me). I have to assume the full retail price will be close to $1000 given that the wholesale price seems to be about $500 and retail is usually 50%. But this is electronics so I can imagine it will be in the range of $700-900, much like the N95.
I do not think this is the case now. It appears here in Finland that the iPhones have to be sold unlocked. But they are still part of a contract. Sonera has not released much info but my friends say that they will be unlocked, and the prices should be around 250/350 Euro respectively for the 8/16 gig models.
Carriers in Finland cannot simlock GSM phones by law, but they can simlock 3G phones.
Carriers in Finland cannot simlock GSM phones by law, but they can simlock 3G phones.
True, but Finnish carriers must, upon completion of the contract provide SIM a unlocking service with no fee, and must continue to offer that free service for at least 2 years following the termination of the contract. The contract itself must not exceed two years, and it must be possible to terminate the contract early with 2 weeks' notice if the subscriber's financial situation changes through "mostly no fault of his or her own".
http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/kaannok...en20030393.pdf
(Finland's Communications Market Act, Section 70 as amended for 3G phones, paragraphs 4 and 6)
True, but Finnish carriers must, upon completion of the contract, or at the latest after 2 years from the date of purchase, (whichever comes first) provide SIM a unlocking service with no fee.
http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/kaannok...en20030393.pdf
(Finland's Communications Market Act, Section 70 as amended for 3G phones, paragraph 6)
Sweet catch. I was told by my friend from Sonera that if you buy out your contract, they will also unlock it on the spot. The contracts we have here in Finland between the State Department and various service venders stipulate that there be an out clause. Either way, I do not think the Finns, who are used to paying full price anyway, will go for locked phones. Many here have said already that if the phones are locked, they will stay on the shelves.
Sweet catch. I was told by my friend from Sonera that if you buy out your contract, they will also unlock it on the spot. The contracts we have here in Finland between the State Department and various service venders stipulate that there be an out clause. Either way, I do not think the Finns, who are used to paying full price anyway, will go for locked phones. Many here have said already that if the phones are locked, they will stay on the shelves.
If the Finns are going to buy full price unlocked iphones --- they ain't going to be priced at 250/300 euro as you suggested.
Numerous websites have said that the Italian carriers are not simlocking their PAYG iphones. I don't know if that's the truth or not because I don't speak Italian so I can't check the original news source.
So if the Finns are buying the iphone completely unlocked --- then expect to pay the Italian price.
If the Finns are going to buy full price unlocked iphones --- they ain't going to be priced at 250/300 euro as you suggested.
Numerous websites have said that the Italian carriers are not simlocking their PAYG iphones. I don't know if that's the truth or not because I don't speak Italian so I can't check the original news source.
So if the Finns are buying the iphone completely unlocked --- then expect to pay the Italian price.
I bought an N82 at the "Finnish" price so what is the difference with an iPhone? If I want it, I buy it. Very simple.
I bought an N82 at the "Finnish" price so what is the difference with an iPhone? If I want it, I buy it. Very simple.
Yes, it is that simple. I don't have a problem with that --- you are an adult and you can buy whatever you want.
What I have problems with is that your price projection in Finland --- is based on the UK PAYG iphone price, but the PAYG iphone in UK is simlocked.
You can't have it both ways. Either accept the UK price as the base in Finland and expect a simlocked iphone in Finland. Or accept the Italian price as the base in Finland and expect a unlocked iphone in Finland.
Yes, it is that simple. I don't have a problem with that --- you are an adult and you can buy whatever you want.
What I have problems with is that your price projection in Finland --- is based on the UK PAYG iphone price, but the PAYG iphone in UK is simlocked.
You can't have it both ways. Either accept the UK price as the base in Finland and expect a simlocked iphone in Finland. Or accept the Italian price as the base in Finland and expect a unlocked iphone in Finland.
Uhhhh. I really do not want to go down this road so this will be my last post in regards to this. Let's look at the facts. I said a "friend" told me this. I did not say I made the prices. I passed on a piece of info that seems to have given you pause, and for all intent purposes, has you annoyed, confused, perplexed, unhappy, etc... I am not really sure of your emotions, but from what you say, you have a problem with those price projections. What do you propose to do about this? You can call: +358 20401 and let them know how you feel. I am not really sure what I can do for you. For me it is simple as this. Either way my phone comes, I have friends that will unlock it at Sonera. So... I will get an iPhone for as cheap as possible without a simlock. You make the mistake of telling me I can not have it both ways, but it looks like I will. Your argument is rather moot in that you are forcing me to accept your way of thinking, but you don't seem to get this. I don't have to accept anything unless I choose to.
Dude, I am not trying to sound hard, but you need to take a look at what you wrote about me having to accept this and that. Take a Mulligan and do it over if you like.
Uhhhh. I really do not want to go down this road so this will be my last post in regards to this. Let's look at the facts. I said a "friend" told me this. I did not say I made the prices. I passed on a piece of info that seems to have given you pause, and for all intent purposes, has you annoyed, confused, perplexed, unhappy, etc... I am not really sure of your emotions, but from what you say, you have a problem with those price projections. What do you propose to do about this? You can call: +358 20401 and let them know how you feel. I am not really sure what I can do for you. For me it is simple as this. Either way my phone comes, I have friends that will unlock it at Sonera. So... I will get an iPhone for as cheap as possible without a simlock. You make the mistake of telling me I can not have it both ways, but it looks like I will. Your argument is rather moot in that you are forcing me to accept your way of thinking, but you don't seem to get this. I don't have to accept anything unless I choose to.
Dude, I am not trying to sound hard, but you need to take a look at what you wrote about me having to accept this and that. Take a Mulligan and do it over if you like.
If I accept your argument --- then the only way you can do it is because you have a friend who is working for a Finnish carrier who is willing to break a few internal coporate rules to unlock the phone for you.
Why don't you ask your friend how much money to get out of iphone contract? If they don't have ETF then you have to pay the rest of the contract.
Your argument is rather moot that it only works if you have a friend who is an insider who can slip you the unlocking code.
If I accept your argument --- then the only way you can do it is because you have a friend who is working for a Finnish carrier who is willing to break a few internal coporate rules to unlock the phone for you.
Why don't you ask your friend how much money to get out of iphone contract? If they don't have ETF then you have to pay the rest of the contract.
Your argument is rather moot that it only works if you have a friend who is an insider who can slip you the unlocking code.
1. Go back to post #17 and point out where I said I am making the pricing policy. You are arguing with a ghost. I said, and will say again, and hopefully you will understand it this time. My friend told me this. He could be wrong. The pricing could be lower, higher, free give aways. Who knows for sure. It was what he told me, and either way I could not care less.
2. You seem to think that I care if you accept an argument that I never put forth. This argument only exists in your mind. I never said the words in the way you are trying to attribute to me. If he is willing to unlock a phone for me this is my biz and his problem, but you seem a bit jealous by me having this option.
3. I don't have to ask my friend how money to get out of the iPhone contract. I DON'T CARE. I just don't. I already know that I will not have to pay full price for the contract. I hope this is clear by now.
4. Once again, you ascribe and argument to me that I never started. You seem to not understand that I never said any of this is based on fact but on what a friend told me. It is yours to believe or not believe. Once again, I don't care.
By the way, I know I said I would not go down this road to no where but I did. I hope that we are clearer than clear on this. If you have a problem with the pricing models that could or could not be true, please, please, please call Sonera and tell them how you feel. I am sure they will be interested in what you have to say. Make sure you mention that you have it on good authority that someone will have their iPhone unlocked (if it is locked) without paying the full price, or contract subscription, or whatever. Let em know what's on your mind.
I said $600 iphone from O2 is simlocked. I said Finland doesn't have anti-simlocking laws on 3G phones. I said that Italian carriers (according to unconfirmed news reports) that they are selling unlocked PAYG iphones for a price that is higher that the $600 simlocked PAYG O2 iphone.
All my comments are factually correct. Why are you arguing with them?
I think you are the one arguing with a ghost. Start from my comment #12.
I said $600 iphone from O2 is simlocked. I said Finland doesn't have anti-simlocking laws on 3G phones. I said that Italian carriers (according to unconfirmed news reports) that they are selling unlocked PAYG iphones for a price that is higher that the $600 simlocked PAYG O2 iphone.
All my comments are factually correct. Why are you arguing with them?
Someone corrected and explained things to you in post #27. I simply complemented on his post. You then jumped on my post complementing him. You then started to tell me that I have to accept your premise about unconfirmed new reports. Then you seemed to get annoyed because I guess you will have to abide by a contract and I will not have to. So be it. All of the pricing are speculative because why, wait for it, because I put forth the caveat that my friend said so. This would make him about as credible as your unconfirmed new sources. The only fact that I have is that I will not have to worry about if my iPhone is locked or unlocked. It was you that had a problem with the quoted, unconfirmed Finnish prices, not me. I gave you a phone number to call to express your displeasure about this. I do notice how you tend to move the goal posts when confronted with your own words, but that's okay. I am truly done with this.
The gentleman in Finland yields the remainder of his minutes to the floor. Go nuts.
Someone corrected and explained things to you in post #27. I simply complemented on his post. You then jumped on my post complementing him. You then started to tell me that I have to accept your premise about unconfirmed new reports. Then you seemed to get annoyed because I guess you will have to abide by a contract and I will not have to. So be it. All of the pricing are speculative because why, wait for it, because I put forth the caveat that my friend said so. This would make him about as credible as your unconfirmed new sources. The only fact that I have is that I will not have to worry about if my iPhone is locked or unlocked. It was you that had a problem with the quoted, unconfirmed Finnish prices, not me. I gave you a phone number to call to express your displeasure about this. I do notice how you tend to move the goal posts when confronted with your own words, but that's okay. I am truly done with this.
The gentleman in Finland yields the remainder of his minutes to the floor. Go nuts.
He didn't correct me at all. What I said was correct and he was just expanding on what I said (and giving actual source).
And you know what? Those laws aren't that useful at all. Aside from the iphone, AT&T Wireless and T-Mobile USA provide unlocking codes after 90 days for free --- without any legislation. Same old 2 year contract whether in Finland or US. Finnish laws give you a "get out of jail" card if you are sick or unemployed --- but's that's about it with the Finlish laws.
You said something about the State Department --- so I am going to assume you work for them and have a diplomatic passport. Why don't you say that I must be annoyed at you because you have diplomatic immunity and can ignore any laws in Finland?
He didn't correct me at all. What I said was correct and he was just expanding on what I said (and giving actual source).
And you know what? Those laws aren't that useful at all. Aside from the iphone, AT&T Wireless and T-Mobile USA provide unlocking codes after 90 days for free --- without any legislation. Same old 2 year contract whether in Finland or US. Finnish laws give you a "get out of jail" card if you are sick or unemployed --- but's that's about it with the Finlish laws.
You said something about the State Department --- so I am going to assume you work for them and have a diplomatic passport. Why don't you say that I must be annoyed at you because you have diplomatic immunity and can ignore any laws in Finland?
You are wrong my friend. Black passport, red passport, or even the blue ones have to obey the law. I pay parking tickets just like the Finns.
You are wrong my friend. Black passport, red passport, or even the blue ones have to obey the law. I pay parking tickets just like the Finns.
Of course, you should obey the law --- even if you have a diplomatic passport.
But all I hear from you is I don't care about this and I don't care about that. I don't care about the regular people paying full price for the iphone. I don't care about the regular people paying the rest of the contract in order to get out of contract. I don't care about the regular people paying for the unlocking codes.....
Of course, you should obey the law --- even if you have a diplomatic passport.
But all I hear from you is I don't care about this and I don't care about that. I don't care about the regular people paying full price for the iphone. I don't care about the regular people paying the rest of the contract in order to get out of contract. I don't care about the regular people paying for the unlocking codes.....
Well, in terms of a phone. I really don't care. It is a simple matter of: "If you do not like the price, don't buy the phone". We are not talking about world hunger, or terrorism or the price of gasoline. We are talking about a luxury item, so no, I do not care who gets one and who doesn't. Give me something that will change my life and someone else and chances are I will care, but about a phone. No. Sorry, it does not register on my "I give a crap-o-meter". If someone else was in the same position, I do not think they would care either. If you had the chance to choose between getting an unlocked iPhone for a cheap price or having to subscribe and getting the cheaper price, you would take the cheap iPhone. I am sorry but I have a hard time with your righteous indignation. Sooooo before you start to point a finger, maybe you should look at how many are coming back in your direction. There is no one here that will say: "No, no. I want to pay full price for a fully unlocked iPhone unless you will unlock them all for the publicum". Your argument rings rather hollow, and is rotted in jealousy.
Anyway, you can have a look at this as well and attribute this to me if you want.
http://www.sonera.fi/Puhelin%20ja%20liittym%E4/Hinnat
What I mean is that I have a jailbroken phone, but still on O2 using Pay As You Go, and because of that am very wary of any software updates (whether its worth the hassle up unlocking/jailbreaking again) and Id love to be free of this and although Id miss some of the apps Id much prefer to be able to not be concerned everytime apple upgrades the software.
Anyone have any thoughts on that?