Apple proposes translucency to solve "window overlap" problem

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in macOS edited January 2014
Window-based information systems like the Mac OS X Finder face a common problem called "window overlap." Apple in a new patent filing suggests solving this problem through the use of gradual and manipulative window transparency.



In the 16-page filing made this March, the Mac maker explains that when operating system windows overlap one another, they tend to hide valuable information such as other windows or icons.



"What results is that the particular information the user wants to obtain may be hidden behind several layers of windows and may be difficult to access; when an icon is hidden by another window it is temporarily not accessible," the company says. "This has been referred to in the industry as the 'window overlap' problem. There are several instances where window overlap problems routinely arise in the usage of conventional user interfaces."



For the purpose of the particular filing, Apple chose to focus on floating windows that provide feedback information to a user regarding a particular operation, which are often "a useful, yet sometimes annoying phenomenon." As such, it proposes to overcome this problem by providing such floating windows with varying visual and manipulative qualities.



"For example, a floating window that has not been updated with new information within a predetermined time period will become translucent so that the underlying window or windows are then visible to the user," the company said. "Other actions or omissions may also serve as a trigger for graduated translucency of windows [...] Moreover, as the floating window becomes translucent, the user can click-through to the underlying window(s) to interact with its contents. When information on the floating window is updated, it can return to being opaque until the predetermined time period has elapsed again without new information being presented."







More specifically, Apple explained that a floating window could become translucent via a series of steps. For example, the floating window may initially be displayed as completely opaque and then, after the predetermined time period expires, have its opacity reduced in steps of, for example, twenty-five percent.



The floating window could also have a lower limit of translucency as well. Each of those parameters could be set by the application which generates the floating window or be set by the system or the user.



"By applying graduated visual translucency, as well as manipulative translucency, a user is able to receive the benefits of an information-bearing floating window without having to move the floating window to reach underlying content," Apple added. "Moreover, the change in visual translucency provides a focus mechanism to the user who will readily associate a return to opacity with new information being presented on the floating window."



Separately, Apple also continues to strive for a patent on a version of its Mighty Mouse that would shed the traditional scroll ball for a completely optical scroll sensor build into the device's housing.







Apple originally filed for the patent back in December of 2006 and later followed it up with another filing that described a Mighty Mouse with an enclosure capable of sensing and distinguishing between multi-touch like gestures.
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  • Reply 1 of 58
    hypoluxahypoluxa Posts: 694member
    Please for the love of all that is user friendly Apple, do not implement anymore transparent eye candy crap!!! Expose works fine for showing our open windows!
  • Reply 2 of 58
    merdheadmerdhead Posts: 587member
    People should give up on the notion that Apple patents things because they are going to use them. They patent every half baked idea they have because it gives them an advantage. Sadly a large patent portfolio, not matter how daft, is important in the days of patent trolls and East Texas patent juries.



    In other words, it's totally meaningless and Apple will never implement such an idea.
  • Reply 3 of 58
    I can see what they're driving at here, especially in the case of floating inspector palettes (the ones that tend to be semi-transparent anyway, such as those in iPhoto, DVD Player etc.). They're always getting in the way and having to be moved, but whether it'd be a good idea to fade them out and make them clickable through is another question entirely. I'd suspect not, but it's all in the implementation. I won't condemn the idea as being unworkable without trying it out and finding it to be unworkable first!



    What really intrigues me, though, is the pictures drawn in the patent filing, as they show very clearly a Classic-style Mac OS desktop rather than Mac OS X. Old-style Finder menu bar with Special on it; Classic-style window gadgets and floating windows; it's very obviously not Mac OS X in the picture. I wonder why. Could this be an ancient idea resurfacing?
  • Reply 4 of 58
    stephendstephend Posts: 29member
    Surely there is loads of prior art for the translucency part? All my Growl notifications are semi-transparent. And what about the tool palettes in Office 2004 that become translucent if you don't use them for a while?



    I do think it's useful but it shouldn't be patentable (as it's pretty obvious) and certainly not by Apple!



    --> Stephen
  • Reply 5 of 58
    kim kap solkim kap sol Posts: 2,987member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by merdhead View Post


    People should give up on the notion that Apple patents things because they are going to use them. They patent every half baked idea they have because it gives them an advantage. Sadly a large patent portfolio, not matter how daft, is important in the days of patent trolls and East Texas patent juries.



    In other words, it's totally meaningless and Apple will never implement such an idea.



    Exactly...



    ...and proof is that the sketch was done back in the OS 8/9 days. The menu bar and the window is indication that this is something that dates waaaay back. And more indication is that Apple fiddled with the idea of transparency in OS X's early days and abandoned the idea especially when Exposé + Spaces became the better solution.
  • Reply 6 of 58
    kim kap solkim kap sol Posts: 2,987member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Richard Hallas View Post


    I wonder why. Could this be an ancient idea resurfacing?



    It most definitely is.
  • Reply 7 of 58
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kim kap sol View Post


    It most definitely is.



    What's your source of this? A statement is just that, back it up.
  • Reply 8 of 58
    emig647emig647 Posts: 2,455member
    Perhaps because the windows used in the patent drawing are from os 8 or os 9?
  • Reply 9 of 58
    mciarlomciarlo Posts: 11member
    How can an idea like this be patentable? I'm sure Apple wasn't the first to think of this. Heck, I could have patented this if I had a few thousand dollars just lying around.
  • Reply 10 of 58
    age234age234 Posts: 27member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mciarlo View Post


    How can an idea like this be patentable? I'm sure Apple wasn't the first to think of this. Heck, I could have patented this if I had a few thousand dollars just lying around.



    Ah, but you didn't. That's the key.
  • Reply 11 of 58
    asciiascii Posts: 5,936member
    Translucency might solve the overlap problem (sort of), but it also creates readability problems and makes the interface in general look more cluttered. For download/filecopy progress they could use a voice instead of a window.
  • Reply 12 of 58
    aegisdesignaegisdesign Posts: 2,914member
    They're probably renewing a much earlier pre-OSX patent but AI haven't traced it further back.
  • Reply 13 of 58
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    Separately, Apple also continues to strive for a patent on a version of its Mighty Mouse that would shed the traditional scroll ball for a completely optical scroll sensor build into the device's housing.



    Apple originally filed for the patent back in December of 2006 and later followed it up with another filing that described a Mighty Mouse with an enclosure capable of sensing and distinguishing between multi-touch like gestures.



    This is the big news to me. Having a Mighty Mouse I no longer use since the scroll ball stopped working, I welcome a mouse that doesn't use it.



    Now if they'd do away with the crappy, pressure sensitive, side, 2-buttons-that-only-like-one thing and maybe just put a button or two on the side in reach of the thumb and it could be a worthwhile mouse.
  • Reply 14 of 58
    icfireballicfireball Posts: 2,594member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by caliminius View Post


    This is the big news to me. Having a Mighty Mouse I no longer use since the scroll ball stopped working, I welcome a mouse that doesn't use it.



    Now if they'd do away with the crappy, pressure sensitive, side, 2-buttons-that-only-like-one thing and maybe just put a button or two on the side in reach of the thumb and it could be a worthwhile mouse.



    Try cleaning the scroll ball:



    Vigorously rub the mouse's scroll ball on a piece of plain white paper (with the mouse upside-down).
  • Reply 15 of 58
    cibi3dcibi3d Posts: 1member
    Actually, the last beta version of Xcode implements something similar in the Interface Builder... If you control-click on an item of a NIB, you get one of the black windows (don't remember their name) for connections of outlets and actions... when you drag one connection onto an object behind that window, it gets a very high translucency... Well, sorry for my English.. here there is an image



  • Reply 16 of 58
    Did anyone else notice how screwed up the hands in the mouse patent looked?



    It always makes me laugh to look at how Apple patents depict fingers/hands...
  • Reply 17 of 58
    jpellinojpellino Posts: 699member
    from 8.x IIRC?
  • Reply 18 of 58
    Unsanity has Windowshade which can make any window transparent, or windowshade it like OS9. totally not new.

    Unsanity rocks.
  • Reply 19 of 58
    nagrommenagromme Posts: 2,834member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JakeTheRock View Post


    Did anyone else notice how screwed up the hands in the mouse patent looked?



    It always makes me laugh to look at how Apple patents depict fingers/hands...



    Tree Frog Man is back!!!
  • Reply 20 of 58
    amclamcl Posts: 6member
    Any patent claim here is dubious, with several examples of prior art. Then again the patent office allows stupid patents all the time so who knows...

    compiz running on X windows has had similar effects for some time.
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