Yea that was kinda my point there were these type phones before iphone.
But you did use the stupidest example possible in trying to make that point. Pictures of the LG Prada were shown only about a week before the first iPhone.
But you did use the stupidest example possible in trying to make that point. Pictures of the LG Prada were shown only about a week before the first iPhone.
While it's obvious that Apple didn't copy the Prada as it would have had only a week to get a working model ready if it had, it does appear that LG wanted to post images of their Prada device before the MacWorld keynote as there was plenty of evidence floating around the nets that Apple would be releasing a phone, including hundreds of fan made photoshopped images that predate the Prada image by many months.
LOL... can we please debate the pros and cons of the offerings from various proprietary, profit-oriented corporate monoliths without resorting to spittle? Thunder is not intended as pro-level device. Very few people who *depend* on typing as part of their mobile experience will switch to iPhone without switching back. Also, very few consumers who *depend* on intuitive browsing and tightly-knit apps-store integration will switch to Blackberry without switching back. As others have pointed out, all this competition will only serve to make both companies' products better and cheaper.
And let's not forget that MobileMe is essentially a RIM BES circa 2002. Apple will benefit a lot from all the research that RIM has done into push technologies. But they have a way to go yet.
Yea that was kinda my point there were these type phones before iphone.
Just because a phone has a big screen, and no keyboard doesn't mean that it's the same kind of phone.
What about the first Tv's? They all had a screen (masked off round crt) a tuning knob, a volume knob, usually with a built-in on/off switch. a 300 ohm antenna screw post, etc. Did that make every Tv other than the first liable to infringement? Of course not. The law recognizes that there are some devices that can work in similar ways without infringing.
The same thing was true for radios, and computers in general.
Ford copied what older cars looked like, and how they worked as well.
So did steam engine manufacturers before that.
You have to understand that copying requires far more than a few basic characteristics.
No phone maker could ever possibly to hope to sue over the fact that another phone has a large screen, no keyboard, and an icon driven GUI.
If you need someone to explain to you the difference and what constitutes IP violations, then your being lazy and do not have the capacity to differentiate the facts. Do some research yourself and figure it out.
You obviously can't explain it (or you would have) nor spell "you're" correctly for that matter and therefore are either very lazy in your typing or don't have the capacity to be gramatically correct.
Actually, icfireball, yes . . . lots of it here. Having been at the forefront of innovation and pioneering new technologies for the past 25 years, I have very--VERY--little tolerance for those who will not acknowledge when a new approach or idea flies in their faces. Research in Motion has been more than a little "haughty" (to understate the situation) since Apple introduced the iPhone touch keyboard, denegrating it at every twist and turn of their press releases. NOBODY WILL WANT THAT, they screamed. HOW STUPID, they ejaculated. And yet here they are doing everything in their power to roll out an exact (or almost) copy of the iPhone's best features. What bloated egos Jim Balsillie and Mike Lazaridis have! Steve Ballmer must be so proud of them. Truth is, however, that hubris is always rewarded with a mighty fall. It couldn't happen to two "nicer" guys here.
You are very entertaining. Thank you for the laugh (with all due respect).
We moved one of our larger customers over to iPhone at the UK launch as a test.
We had them setup with an initial 30 iPhone 8GB handsets all connected to their exchange server. So far there have been no issues with sync and all is working well. What's more, the feedback from the customer is excellent (its like Christmas for them)
If, at the end of the initial 60 day test period everything is still fine we will move the remainder (100 or so users) to iphone and get rid of the blackberry server (its been a pita).
RIM need to sort out the enterprise server software, we among other suppliers have constant headaches with the software and are glad to see the back of it.
Wow One piece of real-world experience and feedback amongst all the... what was it called... oh yes... spittle
As you know very well, all of RIMs phones have keyboards, except for this one, which is quite obviously being marketed to consumers, the same people who are buying the majority of Apple's phones.
But, it will still have better business connectivity than the iPhone has now.
Mel, you're arguing with someone who uses double-digit exclamation points.
The iPhone is hopeless for business emails 'cos the .me push system is extremely deficient and unreliable.
This one doesnt have a physcial keyboard but I bet the email works... and it looks like its got a decent media player and all the other bells and whistles.
The iPhone is hopeless for business emails 'cos the .me push system is extremely deficient and unreliable.
This one doesnt have a physcial keyboard but I bet the email works... and it looks like its got a decent media player and all the other bells and whistles.
Good one RIM!
You should know by now that "push" hasn't been fully implemented for the iPhone, and won't be until September. That's when the comparison will be realistic.
The post about "copying" not being equal to "IP infringement" is exactly right. As long as you don't make a literal copy, you're likely in the clear. Apple didn't invent the touchscreen, so RIM and others are free to come up with their own versions of it. Sure it may look similar, but infringement based on looks (trade dress) is about the only avenue one could pursue IMO. What about the other touchscreens from Sprint and LG, etc? Those also lok pretty close to the iPhone.
The problem with the Thunbder is that the user experience and the software isgoing to be undoubtedly horrific. Apple has spent years bulding the infrastructure around the iPhone. Apple controls the content delivery, the operating system, the hardware design, and the experiences involved in using the devices with your computer, and so on.
RIM and the others simply can't control all of these things, and the experience will never be the same. I'm sure RIM will inject some innovations here and tehre (copy/paste and landscape email keyboard), but overall - and speaking from the experience of using their OS on a Curve daily - the Thunder's OS is going to be convoluted, complex, and very un-Apple like.
FWIW, I owned 2 iPhones, and sold both, coming back to my Curve...for the email. It just works better on the BB. Sorry!
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Why does everyone say all these companies copied iphone?? when in fact iphone copied Lg Prada??
Heh, heh. That's just as silly.
I had bought this phone early in 2002.
http://www.mobiledia.com/phones/samsung/sph-i300.html
We might as well say that ALL phones without keyboards are copied from it.
Then Samsung should sue every other maker.
absurd!
Yea that was kinda my point there were these type phones before iphone.
But you did use the stupidest example possible in trying to make that point. Pictures of the LG Prada were shown only about a week before the first iPhone.
But you did use the stupidest example possible in trying to make that point. Pictures of the LG Prada were shown only about a week before the first iPhone.
While it's obvious that Apple didn't copy the Prada as it would have had only a week to get a working model ready if it had, it does appear that LG wanted to post images of their Prada device before the MacWorld keynote as there was plenty of evidence floating around the nets that Apple would be releasing a phone, including hundreds of fan made photoshopped images that predate the Prada image by many months.
And let's not forget that MobileMe is essentially a RIM BES circa 2002. Apple will benefit a lot from all the research that RIM has done into push technologies. But they have a way to go yet.
SB
Yea that was kinda my point there were these type phones before iphone.
Just because a phone has a big screen, and no keyboard doesn't mean that it's the same kind of phone.
What about the first Tv's? They all had a screen (masked off round crt) a tuning knob, a volume knob, usually with a built-in on/off switch. a 300 ohm antenna screw post, etc. Did that make every Tv other than the first liable to infringement? Of course not. The law recognizes that there are some devices that can work in similar ways without infringing.
The same thing was true for radios, and computers in general.
Ford copied what older cars looked like, and how they worked as well.
So did steam engine manufacturers before that.
You have to understand that copying requires far more than a few basic characteristics.
No phone maker could ever possibly to hope to sue over the fact that another phone has a large screen, no keyboard, and an icon driven GUI.
If you need someone to explain to you the difference and what constitutes IP violations, then your being lazy and do not have the capacity to differentiate the facts. Do some research yourself and figure it out.
You obviously can't explain it (or you would have) nor spell "you're" correctly for that matter and therefore are either very lazy in your typing or don't have the capacity to be gramatically correct.
If you state something as fact - back it up.
Actually, icfireball, yes . . . lots of it here. Having been at the forefront of innovation and pioneering new technologies for the past 25 years, I have very--VERY--little tolerance for those who will not acknowledge when a new approach or idea flies in their faces. Research in Motion has been more than a little "haughty" (to understate the situation) since Apple introduced the iPhone touch keyboard, denegrating it at every twist and turn of their press releases. NOBODY WILL WANT THAT, they screamed. HOW STUPID, they ejaculated. And yet here they are doing everything in their power to roll out an exact (or almost) copy of the iPhone's best features. What bloated egos Jim Balsillie and Mike Lazaridis have! Steve Ballmer must be so proud of them. Truth is, however, that hubris is always rewarded with a mighty fall. It couldn't happen to two "nicer" guys here.
You are very entertaining. Thank you for the laugh (with all due respect).
Too little to late.
We moved one of our larger customers over to iPhone at the UK launch as a test.
We had them setup with an initial 30 iPhone 8GB handsets all connected to their exchange server. So far there have been no issues with sync and all is working well. What's more, the feedback from the customer is excellent (its like Christmas for them)
If, at the end of the initial 60 day test period everything is still fine we will move the remainder (100 or so users) to iphone and get rid of the blackberry server (its been a pita).
RIM need to sort out the enterprise server software, we among other suppliers have constant headaches with the software and are glad to see the back of it.
Wow
As you know very well, all of RIMs phones have keyboards, except for this one, which is quite obviously being marketed to consumers, the same people who are buying the majority of Apple's phones.
But, it will still have better business connectivity than the iPhone has now.
Mel, you're arguing with someone who uses double-digit exclamation points.
Mel, you're arguing with someone who uses double-digit exclamation points.
Mel, you're arguing with someone who uses double-digit exclamation points.
Well, it's either that, or wipe his post from the thread.
The iPhone is hopeless for business emails 'cos the .me push system is extremely deficient and unreliable.
This one doesnt have a physcial keyboard but I bet the email works... and it looks like its got a decent media player and all the other bells and whistles.
Good one RIM!
Looks good. I will buy one.
The iPhone is hopeless for business emails 'cos the .me push system is extremely deficient and unreliable.
This one doesnt have a physcial keyboard but I bet the email works... and it looks like its got a decent media player and all the other bells and whistles.
Good one RIM!
You should know by now that "push" hasn't been fully implemented for the iPhone, and won't be until September. That's when the comparison will be realistic.
The problem with the Thunbder is that the user experience and the software isgoing to be undoubtedly horrific. Apple has spent years bulding the infrastructure around the iPhone. Apple controls the content delivery, the operating system, the hardware design, and the experiences involved in using the devices with your computer, and so on.
RIM and the others simply can't control all of these things, and the experience will never be the same. I'm sure RIM will inject some innovations here and tehre (copy/paste and landscape email keyboard), but overall - and speaking from the experience of using their OS on a Curve daily - the Thunder's OS is going to be convoluted, complex, and very un-Apple like.
FWIW, I owned 2 iPhones, and sold both, coming back to my Curve...for the email. It just works better on the BB. Sorry!