I've never seen a non-crappy image come from any cell phone camera. They would all look pretty crappy on a 4x6, forget about anything larger. Even the 10MP phone camera from Korea. My 3MP point and shoot took better pictures.
I completely disagree. My photos from taken with my Nokia N82 are pretty darn good and I use it even with I have the iPod, err, iPhone with me. You might want to look into a 5mp phone.
The same reason that "4, 5,6 8"Mpx consumer cameras don't look that much better (if at all) applies to cell phone cameras too. Companies are upping the megapixel to market the phone because that is what people can understand but they aren't upping the quality or performance of all the other HW that make the higher resolution images worthwhile.
My old 2.1Mpx Canon Powershot takes better pics than than my iPhone and Nokia N95 (pre-8GB). The resolution is lower but the flash doesn't wash out the colours, the colours don't blur if you moved ever so slightly. It's just a much sharper and truer image all around.
I can agree with you hear in regards to the N95. Initially it was terrible. The white balance was way off, but Nokia got it right with other models and now their phones are much, much better.
Some interesting articles on the Resolution Myth...
"Sharpness has very little to do with image quality, and resolution has little to do with sharpness. Resolution (pixel count) has nothing to do with picture quality. Color and tone are far more important technically. Even Consumer Reports in their November 2002 issue noted some lower resolution digital cameras made better images than some higher resolution ones. That was a long time ago!"
"For instance, a 3 MP camera pretty much looks the same as a 6 MP camera, even when blown up to 12 x 18" (30x50cm)! I know because I've done this. Have you?"
Ken Rockwell is great. He is probably one of the most honest guys out there. I tend to follow his advice when it comes to photo issues. Also, if you write him, he will respond.
Ken Rockwell is great. He is probably one of the most honest guys out there. I tend to follow his advice when it comes to photo issues. Also, if you write him, he will respond.
I have never heard of him. Those sites and quotes were found from a quick googling and skimming through the articles I found to be clearly written. I'll add it to my RSS Feed on your recommendation.
I have never heard of him. Those sites and quotes were found from a quick googling and skimming through the articles I found to be clearly written. I'll add it to my RSS Feed on your recommendation.
For someone such as you and your technical prowess, he is a great resource.
I'm a long-time Blackberry user who has now migrated over to an iPhone. One feature that isn't mentioned in reviews is the ability of a Blackberry to have a custom dictionary. It allows me to instruct the handheld to type Blackberry when I enter bb, or hardware if I type hw. On a small unit with a small keyboard, this feature is invaluable. I certainly hope that Apple exposes this feature as part of the core application stack and that someone develops the ability to customize the dictionary.
As a loyal apple customer, I did not qualify for the "Incentive Package" to purchase the iPhone for the price they state on their front page. By the way, try to find out the actual price of the iphone from apple's website. I'm really effin pissed off right now with the attitude that apple is doing us a favor being in business for us to buy from. Shove the iphone up Steve Jobs @ss.
As a loyal apple customer, I did not qualify for the "Incentive Package" to purchase the iPhone for the price they state on their front page. By the way, try to find out the actual price of the iphone from apple's website. I'm really effin pissed off right now with the attitude that apple is doing us a favor being in business for us to buy from. Shove the iphone up Steve Jobs @ss.
I agree (I suppose). Don't let it upset you however. It'll get you nowhere here, or anywhere.
very good analysis. but the Dare and Instinct are the first generation of iPhone wannabes. what about a chart showing how it matches up against the second generation now coming to the market, like the Touch Diamond and BlackBerry Bold?
very good analysis. but the Dare and Instinct are the first generation of iPhone wannabes. what about a chart showing how it matches up against the second generation now coming to the market, like the Touch Diamond and BlackBerry Bold?
Here is a preliminary one based on the known stats.
The author does an okay job but misses some things. For instance, they should add categories for which phones have GPS as well as A-GPS, the processor speeds, the amount of RAM, the screen size after the resolution followed by the ppi (pixels per inch), built-in storage capacity, and if they have an SD slot for additional storage.
They also incorrectly state that the iPhone?s HSDPA can only do 1.8Mbps when it is capable of 3.6Mbps, but what Jobs said in the keynote and what AT&T stated (1.4Mbps) are what you can expect from the carrier during optimal conditions as of right now, not the theoretical speeds of the protocol and chipset.
As a loyal apple customer, I did not qualify for the "Incentive Package" to purchase the iPhone for the price they state on their front page. By the way, try to find out the actual price of the iphone from apple's website. I'm really effin pissed off right now with the attitude that apple is doing us a favor being in business for us to buy from. Shove the iphone up Steve Jobs @ss.
You're right, I've only seen "starting at $199" on the web site. AT&T's site is no help either. It's almost case-by-case because if you don't have a good credit rating, you might be required to put in a down payment. They want to check your credit and account status before quoting you a price.
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Did anyone notice that they showed the price of the Samsung Instinct as $230 when it is actually $130?
It seems to be all over the place. I know a guy that's interested in it, though I don't understand why, as he is a Mac user. At least with iPhone, you know it's going to connect with the Mac decently, with Sprint, it's probably an open question. Maybe it's been answered, but I really don't care that much. If this guy gets it, then I'll see how it compares.
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Originally Posted by Ireland
Actually the Instinct ranges from $129.99 - $599.99. Unlike the iPhone, which stays at $199.
iPhone does vary in price, maybe not in as many steps or for as many reasons. If your contract is not up or you have poor credit, then they want you to fork over more up front. And when supply catches up, AT&T will offer an even more expensive iPhone to buy it without a contract at all.
in the end i think it is a reasonable assumption that other companies' top of the line products will match or surpass each iPhone model's hardware specs by some months afterward - except perhaps for the very important category of battery life where Apple's software engineering clearly excels.
but specs - especially once they become relatively standardized - really aren't the focus of smartphone competition. instead it's about the UI and the "ecosystem". which are both what sets the iPhone apart from the others.
we'll see if anyone else ever approaches the ease of use of the iPhone's Mac OS UI. i really doubt it. and having the largest screen size spec helps for this, by the way.
as to ecosystems, nothing else is even in the same league with iTunes with its fully integrated media universe, "just works" device management, and now a new app universe. we'll see if MS tries to match it with Windows Mobile 7 next year. RIM still leads just for the email specialist/enterprise ecosystem, but Apple can get close. then there are all the "cloud" ecosystems now emerging. MobileMe got off to a rocky start but puts Apple in the game. i doubt that any of them - Google's and whoever else - will dominate. there are already too many players and those services are fractured all over the place. MobileMe is best only for Mac computer owners, with its seamless synching and iLife integration. if Apple really wants to push MobileMe seriously into the much bigger PC world, they need to make it free just like iTunes.
Oh well, boohoo the iphone camera sucks, i'm gonna go kill myself
I have to admit when I first went online to the forums when the original iPhone got released I was shocked to see so many bashing the camera
I actually love my iPhone camera. Don't get me wrong, I think there are things wrong with my iPhone and have been VERY critical of Apple for my MobileMe problems but the iPhone camera has taken some beautiful pictures for me.
And I mean NATIVE PowerPoint files for NATIVE PowerPoint presentations with transitions, animations, etc. And I do not mean exporting as slides or as video stream, but true NATIVE PowerPoint presentations, much as done from a laptop (in this case, the "handheld laptop" or the "pocket laptop").
Agreed this would be a nice app on the iPhone. I wonder if this company is currently writing an app for the App Store. Years ago MS had a PP Player for the Mac. They abandoned it once they put their resources into Mac Office. They could also right an app like this. Get on it MS MacBU!
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I've never seen a non-crappy image come from any cell phone camera. They would all look pretty crappy on a 4x6, forget about anything larger. Even the 10MP phone camera from Korea. My 3MP point and shoot took better pictures.
I completely disagree. My photos from taken with my Nokia N82 are pretty darn good and I use it even with I have the iPod, err, iPhone with me. You might want to look into a 5mp phone.
The same reason that "4, 5,6 8"Mpx consumer cameras don't look that much better (if at all) applies to cell phone cameras too. Companies are upping the megapixel to market the phone because that is what people can understand but they aren't upping the quality or performance of all the other HW that make the higher resolution images worthwhile.
My old 2.1Mpx Canon Powershot takes better pics than than my iPhone and Nokia N95 (pre-8GB). The resolution is lower but the flash doesn't wash out the colours, the colours don't blur if you moved ever so slightly. It's just a much sharper and truer image all around.
I can agree with you hear in regards to the N95. Initially it was terrible. The white balance was way off, but Nokia got it right with other models and now their phones are much, much better.
Some interesting articles on the Resolution Myth...
Ken Rockwell is great. He is probably one of the most honest guys out there. I tend to follow his advice when it comes to photo issues. Also, if you write him, he will respond.
Ken Rockwell is great. He is probably one of the most honest guys out there. I tend to follow his advice when it comes to photo issues. Also, if you write him, he will respond.
I have never heard of him. Those sites and quotes were found from a quick googling and skimming through the articles I found to be clearly written. I'll add it to my RSS Feed on your recommendation.
I have never heard of him. Those sites and quotes were found from a quick googling and skimming through the articles I found to be clearly written. I'll add it to my RSS Feed on your recommendation.
For someone such as you and your technical prowess, he is a great resource.
Did anyone notice that they showed the price of the Samsung Instinct as $230 when it is actually $130?
Actually the Instinct ranges from $129.99 - $599.99. Unlike the iPhone, which stays at $199.
I believe the $230 is to indicate what price it is at the same data plan as the iPhone's, or something.
As a loyal apple customer, I did not qualify for the "Incentive Package" to purchase the iPhone for the price they state on their front page. By the way, try to find out the actual price of the iphone from apple's website. I'm really effin pissed off right now with the attitude that apple is doing us a favor being in business for us to buy from. Shove the iphone up Steve Jobs @ss.
I agree (I suppose). Don't let it upset you however. It'll get you nowhere here, or anywhere.
Oh well, boohoo the iphone camera sucks, i'm gonna go kill myself
If you do be sure you video record it on your... nevermind.
If you do be sure you video record it on your... nevermind.
NICE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think this guy is multi-nicking.
very good analysis. but the Dare and Instinct are the first generation of iPhone wannabes. what about a chart showing how it matches up against the second generation now coming to the market, like the Touch Diamond and BlackBerry Bold?
Here is a preliminary one based on the known stats.The author does an okay job but misses some things. For instance, they should add categories for which phones have GPS as well as A-GPS, the processor speeds, the amount of RAM, the screen size after the resolution followed by the ppi (pixels per inch), built-in storage capacity, and if they have an SD slot for additional storage.
They also incorrectly state that the iPhone?s HSDPA can only do 1.8Mbps when it is capable of 3.6Mbps, but what Jobs said in the keynote and what AT&T stated (1.4Mbps) are what you can expect from the carrier during optimal conditions as of right now, not the theoretical speeds of the protocol and chipset.
As a loyal apple customer, I did not qualify for the "Incentive Package" to purchase the iPhone for the price they state on their front page. By the way, try to find out the actual price of the iphone from apple's website. I'm really effin pissed off right now with the attitude that apple is doing us a favor being in business for us to buy from. Shove the iphone up Steve Jobs @ss.
You're right, I've only seen "starting at $199" on the web site. AT&T's site is no help either. It's almost case-by-case because if you don't have a good credit rating, you might be required to put in a down payment. They want to check your credit and account status before quoting you a price.
Did anyone notice that they showed the price of the Samsung Instinct as $230 when it is actually $130?
It seems to be all over the place. I know a guy that's interested in it, though I don't understand why, as he is a Mac user. At least with iPhone, you know it's going to connect with the Mac decently, with Sprint, it's probably an open question. Maybe it's been answered, but I really don't care that much. If this guy gets it, then I'll see how it compares.
Actually the Instinct ranges from $129.99 - $599.99. Unlike the iPhone, which stays at $199.
iPhone does vary in price, maybe not in as many steps or for as many reasons. If your contract is not up or you have poor credit, then they want you to fork over more up front. And when supply catches up, AT&T will offer an even more expensive iPhone to buy it without a contract at all.
in the end i think it is a reasonable assumption that other companies' top of the line products will match or surpass each iPhone model's hardware specs by some months afterward - except perhaps for the very important category of battery life where Apple's software engineering clearly excels.
but specs - especially once they become relatively standardized - really aren't the focus of smartphone competition. instead it's about the UI and the "ecosystem". which are both what sets the iPhone apart from the others.
we'll see if anyone else ever approaches the ease of use of the iPhone's Mac OS UI. i really doubt it. and having the largest screen size spec helps for this, by the way.
as to ecosystems, nothing else is even in the same league with iTunes with its fully integrated media universe, "just works" device management, and now a new app universe. we'll see if MS tries to match it with Windows Mobile 7 next year. RIM still leads just for the email specialist/enterprise ecosystem, but Apple can get close. then there are all the "cloud" ecosystems now emerging. MobileMe got off to a rocky start but puts Apple in the game. i doubt that any of them - Google's and whoever else - will dominate. there are already too many players and those services are fractured all over the place. MobileMe is best only for Mac computer owners, with its seamless synching and iLife integration. if Apple really wants to push MobileMe seriously into the much bigger PC world, they need to make it free just like iTunes.
Oh well, boohoo the iphone camera sucks, i'm gonna go kill myself
I have to admit when I first went online to the forums when the original iPhone got released I was shocked to see so many bashing the camera
I actually love my iPhone camera. Don't get me wrong, I think there are things wrong with my iPhone and have been VERY critical of Apple for my MobileMe problems but the iPhone camera has taken some beautiful pictures for me.
As much as I love the iPhone, there is one essential feature that is missing:
http://www.impatica.com/showmate
And I mean NATIVE PowerPoint files for NATIVE PowerPoint presentations with transitions, animations, etc. And I do not mean exporting as slides or as video stream, but true NATIVE PowerPoint presentations, much as done from a laptop (in this case, the "handheld laptop" or the "pocket laptop").
Agreed this would be a nice app on the iPhone. I wonder if this company is currently writing an app for the App Store. Years ago MS had a PP Player for the Mac. They abandoned it once they put their resources into Mac Office. They could also right an app like this. Get on it MS MacBU!