'Prince Mclean' who writes overly long fanboy-ish badly researched regurgitated drivel here is 'Daniel Eran Dilger' who writes overly long fanboy-ish badly researched regurgitated drivel over on roughlydrafted.com.
It's almost as badly put together as Paul Thurrott's finest works although more gushingly sickly. At least Thurrott is bitter and twisted.
I mean...
"a direct challenge to most profitable markets of the high volume handset leaders including Nokia, Samsung, and LG, which haven't been able to tap the heady interest in iPhone despite a series of flaccid attempts to steal the thunder of their new American rival with iPhone-lookalike products."
So Daniel is honestly trying to convince us that Nokia with 38% of the phone market hasn't sold more N95s than the iPhone or that the phone's they've released since the iPhone have been flaccid attempts to steal it's thunder. Come again??? Samsung/LG perhaps but Nokia seem to have continued on like they always do.
Kasper, guys, do some editing on Daniel's posts before your regugitate it here, please. Or set him a word limit. Otherwise I'll just increasingly skip them. It's embaressing. The whole iPhone series he's doing now is a big repetitive snore absent of almost any information. Just because someone can type reams, doesn't mean they should.
Nice one and so true. He did get put in his place by iLounge a few months back.
They wrote that "Apple has buckled". I was just trying to illustrate that Apple has done no such thing. Apple is pretty much doing what it wants to do as it relates to iPhone sales. Millions sold, 35-40% gross profit and a seemingly thriving app. store that will proliferate the entire model/ecosystem. It seems to be working beautifully for Apple. It seems to me that it is ATT that has buckled or at least bowed for the time being.
For items like the iPhone, cell service, texts...I say let the market bear it out. If people are willing to pay $.20 for texts then ATT made the correct decision to raise prices. If the text usage dramatically drops off after the price increase then it was probably a bad business decision and should be reevaluated. I can't speak to your issue of receiving unwanted(spam) texts. I have never had that problem. I would imagine since your teleco can see what your texts say that you could tell them to refund the charges as they were unsolicited. I think you would need to deal with that on an individual basis.
I do think we need more oversight and regulation here in the United States but cell phone service is not where I would begin. 15 years ago cell phones were not a "must have" item. And you could always get a pay as you go phone or something of the kind. That would control costs for you.
People just keep complaining about companies like ATT and how their service is so terrible and how their fees are so inflated. How many people don't have healthcare? If folks put half the energy into real problems as they did about bitching whether or not Apple/ATT are overcharging we would probably have something like universal coverage at this point. You poor baby you got charged for some texts. While plenty of kids are sick with no opportunity to see a doctor. Wake up!
Great post. Right on the mark. AT&T is charging rip off prices because people will allow them selves to be ripped off. You want them to stop ripping you off. Don't buy their service. Look how Rogers backed down when people got pissed.
As an aside. SMS's should normally be free as they are sent in the D-Channel. They are sent out of band when the phone is in an idle state. It is free money.
For such "badly researched regurgitated drivel", you certainly expend a lot of time and effort complaining about it. If you don't like his articles, THEN STOP READING THEM. Legitimate feedback and debate is one thing, but posting insolent rants every time a new piece is published is a waste of everyone's time. Although some of the articles from D.E.D. certainly come off as a bit Apple biased, I guarantee I am not alone here in stating that they generally provide a lot of great information and analysis for AI and roughlydrafted readers. In the spirit of the English readers, BUGGER OFF!
Amen! Having read almost all of the historical articles on Roughly Drafted, I can say that this characterization is the direct opposite of the truth. Even calling them "Apple biased" is buying into the right-wing radio/Fox News definition of "bias," where anybody telling the truth makes your side sound bad, so they must be "biassed." Of course, you can always use the tactic of insulting the bearer of bad news all over the internet, hoping that you can create doubt in the minds of readers. I think we see that in the original posting.
As an aside. SMS's should normally be free as they are sent in the D-Channel. They are sent out of band when the phone is in an idle state. It is free money.
It's kind of like if they charged you every time you got a voicemail.
People just keep complaining about companies like ATT and how their service is so terrible and how their fees are so inflated. How many people don't have healthcare? If folks put half the energy into real problems as they did about bitching whether or not Apple/ATT are overcharging we would probably have something like universal coverage at this point. You poor baby you got charged for some texts. While plenty of kids are sick with no opportunity to see a doctor. Wake up!
Amen! Having read almost all of the historical articles on Roughly Drafted, I can say that this characterization is the direct opposite of the truth. Even calling them "Apple biased" is buying into the right-wing radio/Fox News definition of "bias," where anybody telling the truth makes your side sound bad, so they must be "biassed." Of course, you can always use the tactic of insulting the bearer of bad news all over the internet, hoping that you can create doubt in the minds of readers. I think we see that in the original posting.
I'm not convinced of your your interpretation. All of the RD arguments I see are deftly respun such that Apple comes out on top, every time, quite conveniently, it seems. The way it looks to me is that it's almost as if Apple cannot possibly do no wrong, no good idea or workflow can possibly come from anyone else. The whole business just gives an air of cheerleading.
I am kind of curious to see what Apple does in 2010 but I guess that will depend on how much market share they have at the moment and/or whether they feel AT&T has lived up to its end of the bargain with its network towers
I would think maybe they know that opening it up to all carriers could really increase more market share potential
Huh? That's a pretty ignorant statement. Most countries in the world charge minutes for incoming calls.
Do they? Which ones? Certainly in Europe incoming calls and texts are always free, unless you're roaming abroad, in which case you do pay for the call to be redirected from your home country to the country you're in. (There are also things premium rate texts you can get but you have to specifically subscribe to them.)
I thought it was ONLY North America where you charge for incoming mobile calls, and the reason for that is that your cellphone numbers have a normal geographic area code, whereas in Europe mobile numbers have their own dialing codes (eg. in the UK mobile numbers start with 07 while geographic numbers start 01 or 02). This allows the networks to charge more for calling a mobile so it's the caller who bears the extra cost.
I'm not convinced of your your interpretation. All of the RD arguments I see are deftly respun such that Apple comes out on top, every time, quite conveniently, it seems. The way it looks to me is that it's almost as if Apple cannot possibly do no wrong, no good idea or workflow can possibly come from anyone else. The whole business just gives an air of cheerleading.
Careful JeffDM. You are speaking against Apple and its minions, not to mention, He Who Must Not Be Named.
For such "badly researched regurgitated drivel", you certainly expend a lot of time and effort complaining about it. If you don't like his articles, THEN STOP READING THEM. Legitimate feedback and debate is one thing, but posting insolent rants every time a new piece is published is a waste of everyone's time.
I really don't. AI should keep to what it does best though, publish rumours, not opinion pieces.
AI can do whatever the heck they want. They own it.
We are simply passing through.
You and aegisdesign have very valid points. While I do not speak for him, I think he is just trying to say that AI will not be taken seriously as anything more than an Apple cheerleading site if they continue with their journalistic approach. As I posted earlier Daniel Pilger or whatever his name is today, got his head handed to him by iLounge for posting totally inaccurate articles as fact, and then trying to defend once iLounge pointed them out. As it stands AI is seen as little more than a gathering of Apple zealots who seem to think Steve Jobs is their best friend. While this is not completely true, this opinion does have its merits.
AI can do whatever the heck they want. They own it.
We are simply passing through.
Of course. I co-own a magazine and was a technical editor. I'm fully aware what happens when readers decide to pass right through instead of stopping. Been there, lived on beans on toast for 3 months.
I like AI because there's more signal and less noise in the forums than say MacRumors. The rumours are often juicy too. They do that extremely well. I skip the financial analyst pieces generally and If I wanted analysis and opinion though, I'd go to Ars or Daring Fireball.
edit: And Tidbits too - they've been fantastic lately.
As I posted earlier Daniel Pilger or whatever his name is today, got his head handed to him by iLounge for posting totally inaccurate articles as fact, and then trying to defend once iLounge pointed them out.
As Mr. Sundaram above mentions, it's all fun and games until you realise you're now at the mercy of the big telcos.
I don't think we should push too hard one way or the other.
That is, one perspective is oh Hallelujah Apple is teh SAVED now and will reign supreme.
The other is, Apple's name and products will be dragged through the dirt by the scum that is the mobile phone industry (they play by different rules than us computer folk).
So, let's come to some perhaps more conducive thinking here, about the upside, and risks now facing our beloved forbidden fruit.
I am kind of curious to see what Apple does in 2010 but I guess that will depend on how much market share they have at the moment and/or whether they feel AT&T has lived up to its end of the bargain with its network towers
I would think maybe they know that opening it up to all carriers could really increase more market share potential
I mean, overall it should be a good thing for Apple in terms of market share, branding, exposure, and so on.
However, it is odd that as much as I follow tech I really don't know about the mobile industry.
I draw my battle lines pretty hard and maybe that's where I go wrong.
With the mobile industry, all I know is that if I need a phone service then heck, it's just a call and sms service, it does what it does. I like Sony Ericsson phones since I stopped using Moto and Nokia several years ago.
You all probably are sick of me ranting and raving about Carphone Warehouse here in the UK and O2. Here's the big one: why are there hardly any white people working in a mobile phone shop in London ???? WTF? Seriously, it is quite bizzare. I mean, Apple Stores, Tesco, and so on are multicultural, but the mobile phone shops????
I mean, I'm not hijacking this thread to talk about racial issues, but it is odd that when you apply for an Apple Store Belfast position, you are requested to say whether you are Protestant or Catholic or neither...
Okay, apologies, rush of blood to the head. I think when Apple went from PPC to Intel there was a big transition and a big shift in the audience and interest in the Mac.
Apple getting to bed with the mobile telecommunications industry is an even bigger jump, in my view.
I just don't know whether us "veterans" (I mean, of a few years... Melgross will probably take things back a century ) ...are really exposed and aware of the challenges and mistrust a lot of us have of the big network providers.
I mean, if we are so dependent on the network for all our needs, then these telcos have a big hold over us as well.
I'm not going to start a crusade, because there's obviously more important things in life.
I just, on a personal level, would like to know *how* we are going to handle this shift in the Apple ecosystem.
Steve, he knows it has been a big jump, and IMO he seems to have gone through a lot, I mean, tons, to get where Apple is today.
From a retail perspective, let's face the facts - AT&T, O2, CarphoneWarehouse, Rogers... it's a heck of a lot different from Apple Store retail. What does this mean???
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'Prince Mclean' who writes overly long fanboy-ish badly researched regurgitated drivel here is 'Daniel Eran Dilger' who writes overly long fanboy-ish badly researched regurgitated drivel over on roughlydrafted.com.
It's almost as badly put together as Paul Thurrott's finest works although more gushingly sickly. At least Thurrott is bitter and twisted.
I mean...
"a direct challenge to most profitable markets of the high volume handset leaders including Nokia, Samsung, and LG, which haven't been able to tap the heady interest in iPhone despite a series of flaccid attempts to steal the thunder of their new American rival with iPhone-lookalike products."
So Daniel is honestly trying to convince us that Nokia with 38% of the phone market hasn't sold more N95s than the iPhone or that the phone's they've released since the iPhone have been flaccid attempts to steal it's thunder. Come again??? Samsung/LG perhaps but Nokia seem to have continued on like they always do.
Kasper, guys, do some editing on Daniel's posts before your regugitate it here, please. Or set him a word limit. Otherwise I'll just increasingly skip them. It's embaressing. The whole iPhone series he's doing now is a big repetitive snore absent of almost any information. Just because someone can type reams, doesn't mean they should.
Nice one and so true. He did get put in his place by iLounge a few months back.
They wrote that "Apple has buckled". I was just trying to illustrate that Apple has done no such thing. Apple is pretty much doing what it wants to do as it relates to iPhone sales. Millions sold, 35-40% gross profit and a seemingly thriving app. store that will proliferate the entire model/ecosystem. It seems to be working beautifully for Apple. It seems to me that it is ATT that has buckled or at least bowed for the time being.
For items like the iPhone, cell service, texts...I say let the market bear it out. If people are willing to pay $.20 for texts then ATT made the correct decision to raise prices. If the text usage dramatically drops off after the price increase then it was probably a bad business decision and should be reevaluated. I can't speak to your issue of receiving unwanted(spam) texts. I have never had that problem. I would imagine since your teleco can see what your texts say that you could tell them to refund the charges as they were unsolicited. I think you would need to deal with that on an individual basis.
I do think we need more oversight and regulation here in the United States but cell phone service is not where I would begin. 15 years ago cell phones were not a "must have" item. And you could always get a pay as you go phone or something of the kind. That would control costs for you.
People just keep complaining about companies like ATT and how their service is so terrible and how their fees are so inflated. How many people don't have healthcare? If folks put half the energy into real problems as they did about bitching whether or not Apple/ATT are overcharging we would probably have something like universal coverage at this point. You poor baby you got charged for some texts. While plenty of kids are sick with no opportunity to see a doctor. Wake up!
Great post. Right on the mark. AT&T is charging rip off prices because people will allow them selves to be ripped off. You want them to stop ripping you off. Don't buy their service. Look how Rogers backed down when people got pissed.
As an aside. SMS's should normally be free as they are sent in the D-Channel. They are sent out of band when the phone is in an idle state. It is free money.
For such "badly researched regurgitated drivel", you certainly expend a lot of time and effort complaining about it. If you don't like his articles, THEN STOP READING THEM. Legitimate feedback and debate is one thing, but posting insolent rants every time a new piece is published is a waste of everyone's time. Although some of the articles from D.E.D. certainly come off as a bit Apple biased, I guarantee I am not alone here in stating that they generally provide a lot of great information and analysis for AI and roughlydrafted readers. In the spirit of the English readers, BUGGER OFF!
Amen! Having read almost all of the historical articles on Roughly Drafted, I can say that this characterization is the direct opposite of the truth. Even calling them "Apple biased" is buying into the right-wing radio/Fox News definition of "bias," where anybody telling the truth makes your side sound bad, so they must be "biassed." Of course, you can always use the tactic of insulting the bearer of bad news all over the internet, hoping that you can create doubt in the minds of readers. I think we see that in the original posting.
As an aside. SMS's should normally be free as they are sent in the D-Channel. They are sent out of band when the phone is in an idle state. It is free money.
It's kind of like if they charged you every time you got a voicemail.
People just keep complaining about companies like ATT and how their service is so terrible and how their fees are so inflated. How many people don't have healthcare? If folks put half the energy into real problems as they did about bitching whether or not Apple/ATT are overcharging we would probably have something like universal coverage at this point. You poor baby you got charged for some texts. While plenty of kids are sick with no opportunity to see a doctor. Wake up!
I think you wandered into the wrong forum.
The health care forum is over there.
Ha Ha! Paying to receive texts and phone calls. Go USA and your winning methods of generating revenue.
Notice how no other country in the world charges for incoming ANYTHING.
Huh? That's a pretty ignorant statement. Most countries in the world charge minutes for incoming calls.
Amen! Having read almost all of the historical articles on Roughly Drafted, I can say that this characterization is the direct opposite of the truth. Even calling them "Apple biased" is buying into the right-wing radio/Fox News definition of "bias," where anybody telling the truth makes your side sound bad, so they must be "biassed." Of course, you can always use the tactic of insulting the bearer of bad news all over the internet, hoping that you can create doubt in the minds of readers. I think we see that in the original posting.
I'm not convinced of your your interpretation. All of the RD arguments I see are deftly respun such that Apple comes out on top, every time, quite conveniently, it seems. The way it looks to me is that it's almost as if Apple cannot possibly do no wrong, no good idea or workflow can possibly come from anyone else. The whole business just gives an air of cheerleading.
I would think maybe they know that opening it up to all carriers could really increase more market share potential
Huh? That's a pretty ignorant statement. Most countries in the world charge minutes for incoming calls.
Do they? Which ones? Certainly in Europe incoming calls and texts are always free, unless you're roaming abroad, in which case you do pay for the call to be redirected from your home country to the country you're in. (There are also things premium rate texts you can get but you have to specifically subscribe to them.)
I thought it was ONLY North America where you charge for incoming mobile calls, and the reason for that is that your cellphone numbers have a normal geographic area code, whereas in Europe mobile numbers have their own dialing codes (eg. in the UK mobile numbers start with 07 while geographic numbers start 01 or 02). This allows the networks to charge more for calling a mobile so it's the caller who bears the extra cost.
I'm not convinced of your your interpretation. All of the RD arguments I see are deftly respun such that Apple comes out on top, every time, quite conveniently, it seems. The way it looks to me is that it's almost as if Apple cannot possibly do no wrong, no good idea or workflow can possibly come from anyone else. The whole business just gives an air of cheerleading.
Careful JeffDM. You are speaking against Apple and its minions, not to mention, He Who Must Not Be Named.
For such "badly researched regurgitated drivel", you certainly expend a lot of time and effort complaining about it. If you don't like his articles, THEN STOP READING THEM. Legitimate feedback and debate is one thing, but posting insolent rants every time a new piece is published is a waste of everyone's time.
I really don't. AI should keep to what it does best though, publish rumours, not opinion pieces.
I really don't. AI should keep to what it does best though, publish rumours, not opinion pieces.
AI can do whatever the heck they want. They own it.
We are simply passing through.
AI can do whatever the heck they want. They own it.
We are simply passing through.
You and aegisdesign have very valid points. While I do not speak for him, I think he is just trying to say that AI will not be taken seriously as anything more than an Apple cheerleading site if they continue with their journalistic approach. As I posted earlier Daniel Pilger or whatever his name is today, got his head handed to him by iLounge for posting totally inaccurate articles as fact, and then trying to defend once iLounge pointed them out. As it stands AI is seen as little more than a gathering of Apple zealots who seem to think Steve Jobs is their best friend. While this is not completely true, this opinion does have its merits.
AI can do whatever the heck they want. They own it.
We are simply passing through.
Of course. I co-own a magazine and was a technical editor. I'm fully aware what happens when readers decide to pass right through instead of stopping. Been there, lived on beans on toast for 3 months.
I like AI because there's more signal and less noise in the forums than say MacRumors. The rumours are often juicy too. They do that extremely well. I skip the financial analyst pieces generally and If I wanted analysis and opinion though, I'd go to Ars or Daring Fireball.
edit: And Tidbits too - they've been fantastic lately.
.......lived on beans on toast for 3 months.
That's how I made it thru as a graduate student!
As I posted earlier Daniel Pilger or whatever his name is today, got his head handed to him by iLounge for posting totally inaccurate articles as fact, and then trying to defend once iLounge pointed them out.
Do you happen to have a link to the fracas handy?
Daniel Pilger or whatever his name is today, got his head handed to him by iLounge
What was that all about baby?
I don't think we should push too hard one way or the other.
That is, one perspective is oh Hallelujah Apple is teh SAVED now and will reign supreme.
The other is, Apple's name and products will be dragged through the dirt by the scum that is the mobile phone industry (they play by different rules than us computer folk).
So, let's come to some perhaps more conducive thinking here, about the upside, and risks now facing our beloved forbidden fruit.
I am kind of curious to see what Apple does in 2010 but I guess that will depend on how much market share they have at the moment and/or whether they feel AT&T has lived up to its end of the bargain with its network towers
I would think maybe they know that opening it up to all carriers could really increase more market share potential
I mean, overall it should be a good thing for Apple in terms of market share, branding, exposure, and so on.
However, it is odd that as much as I follow tech I really don't know about the mobile industry.
I draw my battle lines pretty hard and maybe that's where I go wrong.
With the mobile industry, all I know is that if I need a phone service then heck, it's just a call and sms service, it does what it does. I like Sony Ericsson phones since I stopped using Moto and Nokia several years ago.
You all probably are sick of me ranting and raving about Carphone Warehouse here in the UK and O2. Here's the big one: why are there hardly any white people working in a mobile phone shop in London ???? WTF? Seriously, it is quite bizzare. I mean, Apple Stores, Tesco, and so on are multicultural, but the mobile phone shops????
I mean, I'm not hijacking this thread to talk about racial issues, but it is odd that when you apply for an Apple Store Belfast position, you are requested to say whether you are Protestant or Catholic or neither...
Apple getting to bed with the mobile telecommunications industry is an even bigger jump, in my view.
I just don't know whether us "veterans" (I mean, of a few years... Melgross will probably take things back a century
I mean, if we are so dependent on the network for all our needs, then these telcos have a big hold over us as well.
I'm not going to start a crusade, because there's obviously more important things in life.
I just, on a personal level, would like to know *how* we are going to handle this shift in the Apple ecosystem.
Steve, he knows it has been a big jump, and IMO he seems to have gone through a lot, I mean, tons, to get where Apple is today.
From a retail perspective, let's face the facts - AT&T, O2, CarphoneWarehouse, Rogers... it's a heck of a lot different from Apple Store retail. What does this mean???