Retail sources say its closing time for current iPod line

124

Comments

  • Reply 61 of 81
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Zandros View Post


    Honestly, no, and I don't have the equipment for it. Lossless is, however, far more useful for archival and transcoding purposes. And disk space is cheap, but that hardly matters if Apple choose to not provide it.



    Besides that. The music you will presumably keep for many years. A lot longer than you'll keep your current equipment. With this in mind you may one day have the equipment to determine the difference between 192, 256 or 320kbps AAC so it would be proactive to have a backup of the best possible audio you can.
     0Likes 0Dislikes 0Informatives
  • Reply 62 of 81
    stevehsteveh Posts: 480member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Galley View Post


    The classic is dead. Streaming your library over Wi-Fi, or even over the Internet is the future.



    Some of us actually spend time outside, even out of wifi range on occasion.
     0Likes 0Dislikes 0Informatives
  • Reply 63 of 81
    Has the price for flash memory reached the point where a 64GB iPod Touch could be offered at $499, the current price of the 32GB?



    Of course, from a consumer point-of-view it would be nice for a 16GB iPod Touch to ring in at $199, a 32GB at $299 and a 64GB at $399, but I doubt the economics are there yet.
     0Likes 0Dislikes 0Informatives
  • Reply 64 of 81
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by OldCodger73 View Post


    Has the price for flash memory reached the point where a 64GB iPod Touch could be offered at $499, the current price of the 32GB?



    Of course, from a consumer point-of-view it would be nice for a 16GB iPod Touch to ring in at $199, a 32GB at $299 and a 64GB at $399, but I doubt the economics are there yet.



    Not even close. The cheapest price I see right now for 32GB in that size chip is $323... and it's not even available yet. Why 32GB? Because the iPod Touch and iPhone use two chips together to make the capacity of the device. This severely cuts down cost without increasing size much.



    Apple may have decided to go with 4 Flash modules so they can get 64GB, but I doubt they would go that route. I know Dell is now selling 128GB SSDs for $450 but I think those are 2.5" drives and 64GB SSDs that are available are for 1.8" drives.



    The two chips in the Touch are labelled as Toshiba K93919:



    (Larger image)

    (Size comparison to the rest of the device)
     0Likes 0Dislikes 0Informatives
  • Reply 65 of 81
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,717member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    Not even close. The cheapest price I see right now for 32GB in that size chip is $323... and it's not even available yet. Why 32GB? Because the iPod Touch and iPhone use two chips together to make the capacity of the device. This severely cuts down cost without increasing size much.



    Apple may have decided to go with 4 Flash modules so they can get 64GB, but I doubt they would go that route. I know Dell is now selling 128GB SSDs for $450 but I think those are 2.5" drives and 64GB SSDs that are available are for 1.8" drives.



    The two chips in the Touch are labelled as Toshiba K93919:



    (Larger image)

    (Size comparison to the rest of the device)



    Where is Dell selling 128 SSD's for $450?



    Just a few months ago, they were going for almost $3,000.
     0Likes 0Dislikes 0Informatives
  • Reply 66 of 81
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    Where is Dell selling 128 SSD's for $450?



    Just a few months ago, they were going for almost $3,000.

    If you click the Dell link it still lists the $450 upgrade price.
     0Likes 0Dislikes 0Informatives
  • Reply 67 of 81
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,717member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post
    If you click the Dell link it still lists the $450 upgrade price.



    Interesting. So the drive is actually selling for about $650. I wonder how they got that price.



    If this isn't some Dell deal that's losing money for them, as they sometimes do, then it's a breakthrough.



    Until we see others selling the drive for about the same price though, we won't know if this is an official Samsung drive priced for the general market, or some special Dell thing.
     0Likes 0Dislikes 0Informatives
  • Reply 68 of 81
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    Interesting. So the drive is actually selling for about $650. I wonder how they got that price.



    If this isn't some Dell deal that's losing money for them, as they sometimes do, then it's a breakthrough.



    Until we see others selling the drive for about the same price though, we won't know if this is an official Samsung drive priced for the general market, or some special Dell thing.



    Are you basing that by adding the price of the 250GB HDD, because Google has 2.5" drives for as low as $70?



    They might be, but how much are they willing to lose to get a sale. Since these are 2.5" drives, not the 1.8" drives used in the MBA which can now be had for $600 on the upgrade and no less than $300 on Google Shopping, those same size Flash chips can easily make 2x1.8" SSDs into one 2.5" SSD without introducing any density, but the price still seems prohibitive.
     0Likes 0Dislikes 0Informatives
  • Reply 69 of 81
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,717member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    Are you basing that by adding the price of the 250GB HDD, because Google has 2.5" drives for as low as $70?



    They might be, but how much are they willing to lose to get a sale. Since these are 2.5" drives, not the 1.8" drives used in the MBA which can now be had for $600 on the upgrade and no less than $300 on Google Shopping, those same size Flash chips can easily make 2x1.8" SSDs into one 2.5" SSD without introducing any density, but the price still seems prohibitive.



    Dell isn't selling a 320GB 2.5" HDD for $70 you can be sure.



    But these prices seem very low for this time.
     0Likes 0Dislikes 0Informatives
  • Reply 70 of 81
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Newegg has three 2.5" 128GB SSDs available for the following prices: $455, $519 & $3,049. I wonder how the speed of the speeds compare to each other.
     0Likes 0Dislikes 0Informatives
  • Reply 71 of 81
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    Dell isn't selling a 320GB 2.5" HDD for $70 you can be sure.



    But these prices seem very low for this time.



    But 250GB HDD is the base size with 320GB HDD being $70.
     0Likes 0Dislikes 0Informatives
  • Reply 72 of 81
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cameronj View Post


    On my desktop, or larger laptop. Wait, you don't honestly mean that someone is dumb enough to use an Air as their primary computer, right?



    You're not honestly saying you'd buy an Air AND another laptop? If you had a larger Mac to manage your media, how would you access that media on the MBA?



    Anyway, let me give my real example rather than making up possibilities. I have a MBP and an 80GB iPod. I also backup all my data (including music) to an external hard drive, and I have an old slow Mac in another room I could use for something if I wanted.



    I don't want to use 80GB of my MBP, but I would happily fill up my iPod. I want to manage my music & TV from my MBP, and I want it to be seamless. I can see 2 ways I WISH I could solve this.

    1) Have all 80GB on my iPod, and sync 30GB to my MBP. Backup all of it to external disk.

    2) Have my 80GB library on the external disk, and sync 30GB to my MBP local disk, and 80GB to my iPod.

    That way my iPod always has all my data, and when I've got my laptop on its own it has 30GB of content I want.

    At present my only options seem to be:

    3) use an external library entirely, with no 'portable' library while mobile

    4) manage my files myself and place music/video I don't want portable on my external disk, with 30GB of content I want on my local disk. Manually delete/move files as required.

    5) Keep a smaller library and just use half my iPod.



    If you have another suggestion I'm very interested.
     0Likes 0Dislikes 0Informatives
  • Reply 73 of 81
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,717member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    Newegg has three 2.5" 128GB SSDs available for the following prices: $455, $519 & $3,049. I wonder how the speed of the speeds compare to each other.



    I'm familiar with the $3,000 one. not with the others. They must be much slower, using older chips, and more power.



    So Dell is putting an older, slow drive in the machine. That makes more sense..
     0Likes 0Dislikes 0Informatives
  • Reply 74 of 81
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,717member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    But 250GB HDD is the base size with 320GB HDD being $70.



    Do you mean that the 320 costs $70 MORE than the base size? It can't cost $70, if the 250 is the base size. That would mean that they charge nothing for that, which can't be correct. They may not break out that price, but you know it is being charged for. If the 320 is going for $70 more, then it likely costs the consumer about $200. I think it's likely that they're charging at least $100 for the base 250.
     0Likes 0Dislikes 0Informatives
  • Reply 75 of 81
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    Do you mean that the 320 costs $70 MORE than the base size? It can't cost $70, if the 250 is the base size. That would mean that they charge nothing for that, which can't be correct. They may not break out that price, but you know it is being charged for. If the 320 is going for $70 more, then it likely costs the consumer about $200. I think it's likely that they're charging at least $100 for the base 250.



    Yes, more. Google Shopping has a 250GB $70, while Newegg has one for $80. The Dell upgrade price from the link above is an additional $70 for the 320GB drive.
     0Likes 0Dislikes 0Informatives
  • Reply 76 of 81
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,717member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    Yes, more. Google Shopping has a 250GB $70, while Newegg has one for $80. The Dell upgrade price from the link above is an additional $70 for the 320GB drive.



    I just don't think that Dell is charging the same as those online stores. I think they're getting a bit more for the base model.
     0Likes 0Dislikes 0Informatives
  • Reply 77 of 81
    mimacmimac Posts: 872member
    Who gives a flying fuck what Dell et al is selling? What matters is that Apple keep the Classic in one form or another (preferably the same form factor).



    Some of us are fed up with 'features' that we don't want or need. Give us an 'old fashioned' iPod with tons of storage and a player that just does music and does it well! Nice that it can store files/photos/video etc... but first and foremost this thing is a MUSIC PLAYER. Remember that!
     0Likes 0Dislikes 0Informatives
  • Reply 78 of 81
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MiMac View Post


    Some of us are fed up with 'features' that we don't want or need. Give us an 'old fashioned' iPod with tons of storage and a player that just does music and does it well! Nice that it can store files/photos/video etc... but first and foremost this thing is a MUSIC PLAYER. Remember that!



    I [don't] think it can't happen [either[, at least not yet, because of people like you that would probably jump to a competing brand if they did. I don't think it will change at except for a price drop.
     0Likes 0Dislikes 0Informatives
  • Reply 79 of 81
    mimacmimac Posts: 872member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    I think it can't happen, at least nit yet because of people like you that would probably jump to a competing brand if they did. I don't think it will change at except for a price drop.



    Why not? That is a ridiculous assumption because I personally do not have the desire to change or jump to a 'competing brand'. The Classic iPod is a market icon and as such should not be meddled with too much. I own two Macs and have all my music saved to external HD's formatted in HFS+ in AAC. I'm more or less tied in to the Apple format and as such need an Apple music player ala iPod. Not just 'need' but want an Apple player! This is a brand that I have invested heavily in (just like a lot of people on this board) and I expect Apple to support their existing user base. If they don't then this would be tantamount to economic suicide.



    Not only that, why discontinue or kill a best selling product just because some people think that this would be 'progress'? Think Coca Cola and their dalliance with 'New" Coke! Now that was a marketing disaster! If Apple kill the Classic then we may just see a shift to competing products... do we want that? I'm pretty sure Apple don't!
     0Likes 0Dislikes 0Informatives
  • Reply 80 of 81
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MiMac View Post


    ... If they don't then this would be tantamount to economic suicide.



    Not only that, why discontinue or kill a best selling product just because some people think that this would be 'progress'? ...



    I thought I was agreeing you, just as I agree with your above text. I edited my original post to be more clear.
     0Likes 0Dislikes 0Informatives
Sign In or Register to comment.