Initial purchase price is the only thing consumers care about. If they cared about TCO, then everyone would use Macs.
"Why does this iPod Touch thing cost more than the iPhone? I mean it's not even a phone, but it costs more?"
Yes, most people don't FEEL the cost of the contract (even if they intellectually get it). I'm kind of surprised Apple doesn't offer a cheaper iPod Touch if you commit to purchasing MobileMe.
Anyway - I think this rumour is bogus. It might not be, but I remember past rumours from Kevin Rose which had no substance, and I can't remember rumours which had substance. It was like he (or his source) made an intelligent guess, gave it specifics, and pushed it as fact.
Did Rose get anything right the last time he predicted things about an Apple product?
I think he got some things right, but no more than you or I would get (or your average message poster on these boards), certainly not as good as official AI rumours!!.
…the 2.1 software update, which adds background push notification…
Push notification support was pulled from the latest iPhone OS 2.1 seed, most likely to focus on general QA, which has been a very serious problem with 2.0 so far (including 2.0.1 and 2.0.2). As a result, push notifications might not be included in 2.1.
Quite frankly, the iPhone 2.0 platform is extremely unreliable and suffering from many serious problems, and should never have been released in its current state, so I would welcome an update that focuses exclusively on QA.
Anyone who hasn't had to restore their iPhone/iPod at least once since 2.0, and has never lost application data when installing app updates, raise your hand...
How about adding a top of the line (slightly fatter) iPod Touch which includes a 160 gig HD instead of solid state media. Now all the folks who need massive storage to carry their entire libraries also gain the Touch/OS X/Apps/iTunes benefits?
Anyone who hasn't had to restore their iPhone/iPod at least once since 2.0, and has never lost application data when installing app updates, raise your hand...
*crickets*
That's what I thought.
Both my hands are raised.
Other than a continued slight hang in opening some apps sometimes, the V2 has worked as superbly for me as V1.
As reallynotnick also mentioned above, a large capacity Touch would be welcomed by many if the price were right. The current sizes hold me back from upgrading my 80GB iPod Video
That mockup (in the original post) is one of the most ridiculous mockups I've seen in a while.
Apple would never release something so hideous.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stormchild
Anyone who hasn't had to restore their iPhone/iPod at least once since 2.0, and has never lost application data when installing app updates, raise your hand...
I'm almost there... only 1Password loses data whenever I update it (and I guess that is a huge issue with that program). Haven't had to restore once, though. All the other people I know who use 2.0 haven't had to restore a single time but they don't do anything near what I do with the phone, so that is a little less surprising.
Anyone who hasn't had to restore their iPhone/iPod at least once since 2.0, and has never lost application data when installing app updates, raise your hand...
*crickets*
That's what I thought.
That's more than a bit presumptuous. Even if a given problem is widespread, it doesn't mean that everyone is experiencing it. I haven't needed to do a full restore, nor have I lost app data in an update.
— My resoning: Unless the sales are falling again, which I doubt, I don't think we'll think we'll see any changes to prices, capacity, design or colours.
— My prediction: No changes
iPod Nano
— My reasoning: The previous two generation so the Nano before the "fatty" was given a face lift each year in September. I don't think this will be any different, especially with the lukewarm acceptance of this portly player. I think a move to 8GB and 16GB is still cost prohibitive to maintain the $149 and $199 price. On the other hand Apple did state that this quarter would show a lower overall profit margin so perhaps this is the reason or perhaps they will keep the same capacity and lower the price point or both. Since the iPhone has 16GB and the Touch has 32GB I think Apple match the Nano again to the iPhone.
(I've already explained my feelings on the case in an earlier post)
— My prediction:
....• 8GB for $149
....• 16GB for $199
....• New colours
....• New tall design w/ landscape video
....• Clickwheel with backlight, images that change with orintation
iPod Classic
— My reasoning: Toshiba still lists the 160GB HDD as their largest drive, but they have a 120GB 1-platter version for the thinner Classic. I don't think this will make it into the Classic unless they add a middle option (the Touch has 3 capacity choices), but that would mean that the Classic is more popular than I assume it is. I think Apple is most likely to keep the the Classic the way it is but with a $50 price drop.
— My Prediction:
....• 80GB for $199
....• 160GB for $299
....• No HW changes
iPod Touch
— My reasoning: There won't be a 64GB version as the 32GB chips are not available yet for the 2 install slots. Even if their were it would be cost prohibitive to keep the same price point of $500 for the 32GB model. They could use uneven chip sizes, like one 32GB and one 16GB chip for an aggregate 48GB, but that couldn't happen this time around. They could install a 3rd place for a another chip, but that would mean a whole new redesign so we can get 12, 24, and 48GB now, but Is this likely? I don't think so. I'd like to think that a camera will be added, but I have doubts here too. I think the new Touches will get OS X v2.1 included and since the App Store now offers so much to the consumer and long term additional income for Apple I think that the prices will drop by $100 for the two smaller models and by $50 to $100 for the 32GB model.
— My prediction:
....• 8GB for $200
....• 16 for $300
....• 32GB for $450
....• v2.1 included
....• No case changes
edit: As for the other items coming with the special event in September would be a new iTunes, completely new MBs and MBPs, and a Processor, RAM and HDD upgrade for the MBA.
Oddly, I think Rose may have something with the Blu-ray rumouring. Montevina will have integrated HDCP support so this is the first time Apple can offer BRD that will allow for true BR output. Also, this time last year the HD optical media war was still going strong. Even though the victory was set as soon as Sony announced BRD in all PS3s it wasn't until January that HD-DVD tapped out of the match. I don't know if there are BRD that are thin enough for Apple to use for the MBP, but if their are, they will offered as an option. If not, the support will be added for an external drive.
But why did Rose say support in 10.5.6, not 10.5.5. Since 10.5.5 should be out in September, 10.5.6 in October or November. To me, this prediction adds credence because I don't think the new notebooks until then as Intel seems to be behind schedule and may still be having issues with the the X4500. This may mean updates for backing up data to BR in iLife and iMovie mastering, but more importantly it means updates to the Pro apps to support full BRD support. This is something that is completely lacking for professionals who want to use Mac.
That has to be one of the least plausible mock ups in quite a while.
This looks three times longer than it is wide. It's practically a knife! And combine that with sharp corners and you have a device designed to cause physical injury.
Furthermore the clickwheel is labelled wrong for landscape operation.
If the Nano is to get a wider or larger video screen, I think the design can only go two ways.
1) A clickwheel beneath the screen. Resulting in a square format - like the current iPod Nano.
2) Lose the clickwheel altogether. And have a lite touch interface.
I'm predicting a smaller iPod Touch in Nano colours, at a reduced price (remember the smaller screen rumoured for the iPhone?) but otherwise the same as existing functionality. And a larger iPod touch (1.5x width and height) with same functionality at same price as existing iPod touch.
My reasoning: They need to differentiate the iPod Touch from the iPhone. If it looks the same, does less, and costs the same or more "up front" - the product won't survive. Make it slightly smaller and 'cuter' and cheaper and you'll get a different market to those after the iPhone. Make another iPod Touch that's bigger and again you get a different market.
My hope: Bluetooth added to the iPod Touch. Let us connect to the internet via Bluetooth, so I can surf the net using my existing mobile phone.
(edit: another possibility: Apple markets an iPod Touch + car mount + GPS + built in maps and turn by turn navigation, as a competitor to the Garmin/Navman etc.)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stormchild
Anyone who hasn't had to restore their iPhone/iPod at least once since 2.0, and has never lost application data when installing app updates, raise your hand...
I'll raise 2 hands (one for my wife, one for my father). And lower one hand for my brother (who has had to restore)
My wife and father have had problems, certainly had it restart by itself a couple of times and had to restart it ourselves - but no restore or lost data of any kind.
New Quicktime- ? Does that mean new Quicktime Pro will have to purchased to replace the old one?
From what I've read, rumors , the next version of QuickTime is a major big-deal release. So like every previous major release I'd say that you will be paying for the pro version.
From what I've read, rumors , the next version of QuickTime is a major big-deal release. So like every previous major release I'd say that you will be paying for the pro version.
Well I certainly don't mind paying if its major . Can you elaborate on what it will feature?
How about adding a top of the line (slightly fatter) iPod Touch which includes a 160 gig HD instead of solid state media. Now all the folks who need massive storage to carry their entire libraries also gain the Touch/OS X/Apps/iTunes benefits?
My very first post to AppleInsider!
Hard drive consume batteries big time. So do big bright touch screens. The only reason that the iPod Classic has decent battery life with the hard drive is because it doesn't also have a big fancy touch screen.
The days of hard drives in iPods will be over in a few years. Give it 5 more years, and we'll be saying the same about laptops.
Well I certainly don't mind paying if its major . Can you elaborate on what it will feature?
The only descriptions I've read of "Quicktime 8" or "Quicktime X" describe it being rewritten from the ground up. Kind of like how "Snow Leopard" is supposed to be smaller, lighter, more efficient, effective etc. They also say it's based on the Quicktime built into the iPhone.
However - Quicktime has had interactive features for several years that Apple has never pushed (and has now fallen behind Adobe and Microsoft) - so perhaps they'll make some movements there? Also Apple's professional video codec can incorporate multiple resolutions to enable editing and playing at various rates.... Apple may see advantages in building a low res version of a movie into a high def download.
... These involve file format changes though not so much Quicktime, and the file formats used are reasonably standard h264 now. Certainly I'd expect Quicktime to be designed mainly as an Internet/Interactive media player
ps. Every whole-number upgrade to Quicktime has required a new purchase of Quicktime Pro. However, you can still keep Quicktime Pro 6 next to Quicktime 7... I assume the same will be possible with Quicktime 8.
Comments
Initial purchase price is the only thing consumers care about. If they cared about TCO, then everyone would use Macs.
"Why does this iPod Touch thing cost more than the iPhone? I mean it's not even a phone, but it costs more?"
Yes, most people don't FEEL the cost of the contract (even if they intellectually get it). I'm kind of surprised Apple doesn't offer a cheaper iPod Touch if you commit to purchasing MobileMe.
Anyway - I think this rumour is bogus. It might not be, but I remember past rumours from Kevin Rose which had no substance, and I can't remember rumours which had substance. It was like he (or his source) made an intelligent guess, gave it specifics, and pushed it as fact.
Did Rose get anything right the last time he predicted things about an Apple product?
I think he got some things right, but no more than you or I would get (or your average message poster on these boards), certainly not as good as official AI rumours!!.
Redesigned iPod Shuffle with small screen
2g for $49
4g for $69
Redesigned Nano with tall form-factor
8g for $149
16g for $199
Same Touch with more external buttons
8g for 199
16g for 299
32g for 399
Same Classic but at $199 and $299 price points
…the 2.1 software update, which adds background push notification…
Push notification support was pulled from the latest iPhone OS 2.1 seed, most likely to focus on general QA, which has been a very serious problem with 2.0 so far (including 2.0.1 and 2.0.2). As a result, push notifications might not be included in 2.1.
Quite frankly, the iPhone 2.0 platform is extremely unreliable and suffering from many serious problems, and should never have been released in its current state, so I would welcome an update that focuses exclusively on QA.
Anyone who hasn't had to restore their iPhone/iPod at least once since 2.0, and has never lost application data when installing app updates, raise your hand...
*crickets*
That's what I thought.
My very first post to AppleInsider!
Anyone who hasn't had to restore their iPhone/iPod at least once since 2.0, and has never lost application data when installing app updates, raise your hand...
*crickets*
That's what I thought.
Both my hands are raised.
Other than a continued slight hang in opening some apps sometimes, the V2 has worked as superbly for me as V1.
As reallynotnick also mentioned above, a large capacity Touch would be welcomed by many if the price were right. The current sizes hold me back from upgrading my 80GB iPod Video
Apple would never release something so hideous.
Anyone who hasn't had to restore their iPhone/iPod at least once since 2.0, and has never lost application data when installing app updates, raise your hand...
I'm almost there... only 1Password loses data whenever I update it (and I guess that is a huge issue with that program). Haven't had to restore once, though. All the other people I know who use 2.0 haven't had to restore a single time but they don't do anything near what I do with the phone, so that is a little less surprising.
Anyone who hasn't had to restore their iPhone/iPod at least once since 2.0, and has never lost application data when installing app updates, raise your hand...
*crickets*
That's what I thought.
That's more than a bit presumptuous. Even if a given problem is widespread, it doesn't mean that everyone is experiencing it. I haven't needed to do a full restore, nor have I lost app data in an update.
— My resoning: Unless the sales are falling again, which I doubt, I don't think we'll think we'll see any changes to prices, capacity, design or colours.
— My prediction: No changes
iPod Nano
— My reasoning: The previous two generation so the Nano before the "fatty" was given a face lift each year in September. I don't think this will be any different, especially with the lukewarm acceptance of this portly player. I think a move to 8GB and 16GB is still cost prohibitive to maintain the $149 and $199 price. On the other hand Apple did state that this quarter would show a lower overall profit margin so perhaps this is the reason or perhaps they will keep the same capacity and lower the price point or both. Since the iPhone has 16GB and the Touch has 32GB I think Apple match the Nano again to the iPhone.
(I've already explained my feelings on the case in an earlier post)
— My prediction:
....• 8GB for $149
....• 16GB for $199
....• New colours
....• New tall design w/ landscape video
....• Clickwheel with backlight, images that change with orintation
iPod Classic
— My reasoning: Toshiba still lists the 160GB HDD as their largest drive, but they have a 120GB 1-platter version for the thinner Classic. I don't think this will make it into the Classic unless they add a middle option (the Touch has 3 capacity choices), but that would mean that the Classic is more popular than I assume it is. I think Apple is most likely to keep the the Classic the way it is but with a $50 price drop.
— My Prediction:
....• 80GB for $199
....• 160GB for $299
....• No HW changes
iPod Touch
— My reasoning: There won't be a 64GB version as the 32GB chips are not available yet for the 2 install slots. Even if their were it would be cost prohibitive to keep the same price point of $500 for the 32GB model. They could use uneven chip sizes, like one 32GB and one 16GB chip for an aggregate 48GB, but that couldn't happen this time around. They could install a 3rd place for a another chip, but that would mean a whole new redesign so we can get 12, 24, and 48GB now, but Is this likely? I don't think so. I'd like to think that a camera will be added, but I have doubts here too. I think the new Touches will get OS X v2.1 included and since the App Store now offers so much to the consumer and long term additional income for Apple I think that the prices will drop by $100 for the two smaller models and by $50 to $100 for the 32GB model.
— My prediction:
....• 8GB for $200
....• 16 for $300
....• 32GB for $450
....• v2.1 included
....• No case changes
edit: As for the other items coming with the special event in September would be a new iTunes, completely new MBs and MBPs, and a Processor, RAM and HDD upgrade for the MBA.
Oddly, I think Rose may have something with the Blu-ray rumouring. Montevina will have integrated HDCP support so this is the first time Apple can offer BRD that will allow for true BR output. Also, this time last year the HD optical media war was still going strong. Even though the victory was set as soon as Sony announced BRD in all PS3s it wasn't until January that HD-DVD tapped out of the match. I don't know if there are BRD that are thin enough for Apple to use for the MBP, but if their are, they will offered as an option. If not, the support will be added for an external drive.
But why did Rose say support in 10.5.6, not 10.5.5. Since 10.5.5 should be out in September, 10.5.6 in October or November. To me, this prediction adds credence because I don't think the new notebooks until then as Intel seems to be behind schedule and may still be having issues with the the X4500. This may mean updates for backing up data to BR in iLife and iMovie mastering, but more importantly it means updates to the Pro apps to support full BRD support. This is something that is completely lacking for professionals who want to use Mac.
This looks three times longer than it is wide. It's practically a knife! And combine that with sharp corners and you have a device designed to cause physical injury.
Furthermore the clickwheel is labelled wrong for landscape operation.
If the Nano is to get a wider or larger video screen, I think the design can only go two ways.
1) A clickwheel beneath the screen. Resulting in a square format - like the current iPod Nano.
2) Lose the clickwheel altogether. And have a lite touch interface.
C.
— My prediction:
....• 8GB for $200
....• 16 for $300
....• 32GB for $450
....• v2.1 included
....• No case changes
I'm predicting a smaller iPod Touch in Nano colours, at a reduced price (remember the smaller screen rumoured for the iPhone?) but otherwise the same as existing functionality. And a larger iPod touch (1.5x width and height) with same functionality at same price as existing iPod touch.
My reasoning: They need to differentiate the iPod Touch from the iPhone. If it looks the same, does less, and costs the same or more "up front" - the product won't survive. Make it slightly smaller and 'cuter' and cheaper and you'll get a different market to those after the iPhone. Make another iPod Touch that's bigger and again you get a different market.
My hope: Bluetooth added to the iPod Touch. Let us connect to the internet via Bluetooth, so I can surf the net using my existing mobile phone.
(edit: another possibility: Apple markets an iPod Touch + car mount + GPS + built in maps and turn by turn navigation, as a competitor to the Garmin/Navman etc.)
Anyone who hasn't had to restore their iPhone/iPod at least once since 2.0, and has never lost application data when installing app updates, raise your hand...
I'll raise 2 hands (one for my wife, one for my father). And lower one hand for my brother (who has had to restore)
My wife and father have had problems, certainly had it restart by itself a couple of times and had to restart it ourselves - but no restore or lost data of any kind.
New Quicktime- ? Does that mean new Quicktime Pro will have to purchased to replace the old one?
From what I've read, rumors
From what I've read, rumors
Well I certainly don't mind paying if its major . Can you elaborate on what it will feature?
Well I certainly don't mind paying if its major . Can you elaborate on what it will feature?
I think the AI article below is the only info about major QT changes.
How about adding a top of the line (slightly fatter) iPod Touch which includes a 160 gig HD instead of solid state media. Now all the folks who need massive storage to carry their entire libraries also gain the Touch/OS X/Apps/iTunes benefits?
My very first post to AppleInsider!
Hard drive consume batteries big time. So do big bright touch screens. The only reason that the iPod Classic has decent battery life with the hard drive is because it doesn't also have a big fancy touch screen.
The days of hard drives in iPods will be over in a few years. Give it 5 more years, and we'll be saying the same about laptops.
Thompson
Well I certainly don't mind paying if its major . Can you elaborate on what it will feature?
The only descriptions I've read of "Quicktime 8" or "Quicktime X" describe it being rewritten from the ground up. Kind of like how "Snow Leopard" is supposed to be smaller, lighter, more efficient, effective etc. They also say it's based on the Quicktime built into the iPhone.
However - Quicktime has had interactive features for several years that Apple has never pushed (and has now fallen behind Adobe and Microsoft) - so perhaps they'll make some movements there? Also Apple's professional video codec can incorporate multiple resolutions to enable editing and playing at various rates.... Apple may see advantages in building a low res version of a movie into a high def download.
... These involve file format changes though not so much Quicktime, and the file formats used are reasonably standard h264 now. Certainly I'd expect Quicktime to be designed mainly as an Internet/Interactive media player
ps. Every whole-number upgrade to Quicktime has required a new purchase of Quicktime Pro. However, you can still keep Quicktime Pro 6 next to Quicktime 7... I assume the same will be possible with Quicktime 8.